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Eamonn wrote:

I think he means lyrically it's dated as the lyrics are quite specific. As a stop-gap single in spring '97 coming up to the general election it would have been a clever riposte to the"Things Can Only Get Better " crap that Labour had taken as their manifesto song and also would have made Noel's visit to Downing Street look even more silly. Anything vaguely catchy put out by Pulp at this period would have been a hit and might have taught kids to learn how to be cynical towards politics. Having said all that I still prefer Glory Days.



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I think the lyrics are not dated. Yes it goes in details about a politician wanting to meet Jarvis, but it's still the same and they could be applied to now : those people crave attention from rock stars, movies stars...etc 

I dont follow british politics to closely, but it's still a thing where i live.



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Would someone remind me why they didn't put it out and why they changed it to Glory Days? Which I also prefer (and love, in fact).

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Would someone remind me why they didn't put it out and why they changed it to Glory Days? Which I also prefer (and love, in fact).


 

I suppose it was judged too political by the band or the management, but some people on here might have better answers.

 

Here's what the NME had to say about it then

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Pulp have launched an attack on Britain's Labour Government in the lyrics to track included on their next single.

'Cocaine Socialism', a track on the B-side of the 'A Little Soul' single (released date June 8), follows Jarvis Cocker's previous criticisms of Tony Blair in NME's March 14 issue. Pulp bassist Steve Mackey says the song was written by Jarvis after the Labour Party tracked the singer down while he was on holiday in New York last year and asked him to support them in their election campaign. Jarvis apparently told the party representative to "piss off".

'Cocaine Socialism' is reminiscent of 'Common People' and includes similar lyrical references: "I'd just like to tell you that I love all of your albums/Could you sign this for my daughter/She's in hospital/Her name is Miriam/Now I'll get down to the gist/Do you want a line of this/Are you a socialist Well you sing about common people/So can you bring them to my party and get them all to sniff this and all I'm really saying is 'Come on and rock the vote for me'/All I'm really saying is come on/Roll up that note for me/Your choice in all of this is: do you want hits or do you want misses?/Are you a socialist? And we've waited such a long time for the chance to help our own kind/So now please come on and toe the party line".

After reading the full transcript, Labour press representative Julie Crowley says: "I don't even understand half of it, to be honest. It's up to people whether or not they support the Labour Party. He's entitled to his views."

Jarvis is currently in South America filming a Channel 4 documentary and was unavailable for comment. However, talking to NME recently about his decision to shun the Labour invite, he commented: "I've always voted Labour, but I wasn't prepared to use my position in that way. It's not appropriate, in the same way that it's not appropriate for Tony Blair to give awards at the Brits and stuff like that. To me it just stinks of, 'Come on kids, I'm hip'."

Meanwhile, Pulp have announced the support acts for their Finsbury Park show on July 25. The bill comprises Bernard Butler, Bentley Rhythm Ace, Catatonia, Ultrasound plus special guests.

'Cocaine Socialism' ) Island/EMI

Read more at http://www.nme.com/news/pulp/244#Cgpjwo8KlBcjKapC.99 



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Thanks v much, Andy. Makes sense. Shame, though.

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Jarvis explains why Cocaine Socialism didn't come out at the time in his sleevenotes for TiH deluxe. Basically in his damaged and wary post-Britpop comedown state he couldn't stomach the thought of coming out again as Mr Controversial shooting his mouth off about the issues of the day. I think CS works better than GD, although I'm not sure it would have been the right thing for the climate of spring 1997. As someone who suffered under 18 years of the Tories and, by his own admission, never got involved in politics through the '80s, I think it would have been a bit unfortunate if Jarvis' sole response to finally getting a Labour gov't (for all their well documented flaws) had been to try and shout them down before they even arrived. I like the concept of Glory Days but the introspective/downbeat nature of the lyrics doesn't really fit with the glossy anthemic music. Plus the lyrics could maybe have been drawn out a bit more - if Jarvis hadn't explained it at some point I wouldn't have a clue what it was about. Plus from "these glory days can take their toll" onwards he just seems to be singing any old fucking bollocks as far as I can tell.

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Jarvis released Cunts are Still running the World few years later. It's highly political and to me it indicates he kinda regretted not going full on political before... He's always been stuck in the middle of his own thoughts.

Jarvis waisted a lot of "big hits" or simply big album tracks opportunities over the year : We can dance Again, Cocaine Socialism, Girls Like it Too, After You, Cuckoo Song...

All that because of what ? Fear of being bigger than they were ? Fear of producing huge melodic tracks ?

Seem like he didn't really enjoy being popular and sometimes self destroyed good tunes to remain relevant, but not too popular...

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Eamonn wrote:

 Having said all that I still prefer Glory Days.



-- Edited by Eamonn on Thursday 24th of December 2015 12:34:34 PM


I fall into the Glory Days camp too. I just don't like Jarvis' overtly political lyrics - they sound forced and at times smug.

That's not to say I dislike this song, or that it isn't very funny in places or that its message isn't valid (because I do, and it is). But I find the social commentary, pastiche and satire of his other writing more politically subversive. As such, Glory Days is more powerful - doubly so because it is less specific in its targets. Who can't relate to Glory Days? It's got the same 'subjective' appeal as those inter-song links Jarvis used to make on stage, when he weaved several songs into the story of a night out. 

As for the arrangement, for me its a qualitative difference - Glory Days is subtle and rich, Cocaine Socialism bombastic and exciting.



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Sturdy wrote:

 Plus the lyrics could maybe have been drawn out a bit more - if Jarvis hadn't explained it at some point I wouldn't have a clue what it was about. Plus from "these glory days can take their toll" onwards he just seems to be singing any old fucking bollocks as far as I can tell.


 Ha-ha-ha! Love that.



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Sturdy wrote:

Plus from "these glory days can take their toll" onwards he just seems to be singing any old fucking bollocks as far as I can tell.


I pretty much agree. The lines "just as long as it tells us where we are / that where we are is where we're meant to be" are completely unnecessary which is a shame because I think that the third verse (particularly the part about the Space Race) contains some of the best lyrics on the album.



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I can't even listen to Glory Days. I knew Cocaine Socialism first, and to me Glory Days is Pulp destroying one of their best songs for no particular reason. The lyrics of Cocaine Socialism are incredible. It's a bit weird to see people say that they don't like Pulp's political songs, seeing as Common People is an aggressively polemical political megahit- much more incisive and relevant than anything fucking Billy Bragg has ever done.

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calumlynn wrote:

I can't even listen to Glory Days. I knew Cocaine Socialism first, and to me Glory Days is Pulp destroying one of their best songs for no particular reason. 


Do you stick your fingers in your ears and shout when you play Hardcore? I never heard Cocaine Socialism until it turned up on the B side of A Little Soul, so to me Glory Days is the "original".   Personally, I find Glory Days to be a better more profound song, and the lyrics of Cocaine Socialism sound like a first draft. The self referencing of Pulp songs harks back to Bowie and Slade doing similar.  Cocaine Socialist is a fine track, but I don't think Glory Days destroys it, simply because both have been recorded, and you can listen to one or the other or both.  Best to just think of them as two different tracks with a similar tune.



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andy wrote:

Jarvis released Cunts are Still running the World few years later. It's highly political and to me it indicates he kinda regretted not going full on political before... He's always been stuck in the middle of his own thoughts.

Jarvis waisted a lot of "big hits" or simply big album tracks opportunities over the year : We can dance Again, Cocaine Socialism, Girls Like it Too, After You, Cuckoo Song...

All that because of what ? Fear of being bigger than they were ? Fear of producing huge melodic tracks ?

Seem like he didn't really enjoy being popular and sometimes self destroyed good tunes to remain relevant, but not too popular...


 By the time Cunts was released, the word had moved on. A download only release that wasn't played by radio wasn't going to have much impact, so far easier to release that that a song alluding to drug use by the incumbent government as the first single after Different Class.

I'm not sure any big hits were lost.  The opportunity for one was probably when Help The Aged sneaked into the top ten. Retrospectively, it was a pretty weak single and considering it was played rarely on the reunion tour safe to say the band probably think likewise.   After that Pulp and/or Jarvis were on a decline in terms of chart action.  Also all of these songs were recorded, so big hits or not, they are all present and correct, well except The Cuckoo Song, but I live in hope of a We Love Life Deluxe Edition, even if the CD is on its way to extinction.



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