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my fav so far are : we can dance again, paula, dont lose it, you're the one, street operator.


shame they never got a proper chance in the studio. waste !



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When i ripped DC on itunes, Common People (Vocoda Mix) came up as Common People (Vodka Mix)



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 Right, first off, everyone will head to We Can Dance Again, which just isn't as good as I'd hoped; unlike the full demo of The Boss on the HnH CD, it doesn't live up to its potential. Listening to the horrible-quality live tape and the Chevette cover, my mind had filled in the blanks to create a storming, monster lost hit single. Instead, this is pretty good, but lacks urgency and punch, the newly-decipherable lyrics aren't all that, and - ultimately - every single song on Different Class is better than it. Which makes sense of a 12-year-old mystery; it was dropped because it wasn't quite good enough, and that's the end of that.


Well, personally I think it's miles better than Disco 2000. As a song, at least. We need to remember that it's only a demo! I'd say it'd make a great single.



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Ha ha I noticed that too. Only I found it rather amusing, and so left it!

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I don't think it's better than Disco 2000. I always forget how good Disco 2000 actually is, until I put it on.

I wonder if WCDA had come out, and Disco 2000 was the lost demo, whether we'd be seeing the same debate? I don't know.

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I think Paula is a grower. Once I forgave it for it's lack of innovation I realized there was actually a good pop song with some wry wit: "I still can't get it through my head, how you could look so bad, but be so good in bed"



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Any comments on the remastering?



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bass put forward (check his n hers for that), sound a bit clearer, but not many differences


im loving can i have my balls back please....



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Well, personally I think it's miles better than Disco 2000. As a song, at least.

I don't think it's better than Disco 2000. I always forget how good Disco 2000 actually is, until I put it on.
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I don't know. The popular opinion seems to be that "We Can Dance Again" just doesn't cut it. We put a lot of faith in We Can Dance Again, we all hoped for a song everyone could agree on: a mainstream pop barnstormer, the lost Top 10 single that would remind people of just how brilliant Pulp were. Alas, this isn't the song.

As for Disco 2000... well... I have this friend who is a huge A-Ha fan, but she won't dare admit it to anyone because she can't stand hearing people talk about "Take on Me". She always says how much she hates that song. But the only reason she hates that song is because it overshadows everything else A-Ha ever did, and it's not representative of A-Ha's "genius". Truth is it's the first song she ever fell in love with, and while she's embarassed to talk about it today, she still dances around her room to it and imagines herself as the girl in the video... Disco 2000 is Pulp's "Take on Me". It's a perfect, populist pop song. It's a little campy, a little dated, certainly not the artistic statement of Pulp's best work, but it's also made more fans for Pulp than probably anything else they've ever produced. You can hate it all you want, but it's still the song most likely to elicit cheers in a crowded Pub. And without it, Different Class falls apart.

Take me on.

EDIT: I've just learned that A-Ha were much more successful in the UK than they were in the States. It may improve your understanding of my story if you know that "Take on Me" and A-Ha were considered a huge one-hit-wonder in America, and whilst the song is still considered synonamous with the 80's, the band were considered something of a joke.


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Disco 2000 is in the vein of babies, razzmatazz...etc and so is we can dance again. its not one of a kind and its more pulp than people here seem to think.


i'l say it again, we can dance again would have been a huge song properly produced. i bet disco 2000 demo wasnt that the best thing around either. i wasnt expecting a finished track, its a demo, and its a fine demo. i'm happy we got to hear it, 11 year after.



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Consider the demo for "My Erection".

Now consider this song and video for hot-shit new Canadian band " MSTRKRFT".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKle32wa6nQ

Now tell me Jarvis wasn't 10 years ahead of his time.

(NB: The video might offend those with sensitive tastes.)

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page 260 in sturdy's book,  where w dance again is mentionned, made me think that they probably did another take on this song. russell says they put  lot of arrangements in it and sturdy quote lyrics that are not on the demo we got. are you all sure they didnt properly recorded it after all? (maybe for a box set part 2 in 11 years). there's also many more demos we havent heard and island is probably sitting on it, thinking about another re-release in a few years.



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Sounds like wishful thinking to me.



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Steve Devereux wrote:

I wonder if WCDA had come out, and Disco 2000 was the lost demo, whether we'd be seeing the same debate? I don't know.


the debate would have been how on earth did pulp not record this classic record that is disco 2000, much better than this pleasent, slightly abba sounding record,


my favorite at the moment is The Boss, that is the lost single, it's fantastic, also catcliffe shakedown, and it's a dirty world, i would have replaced seductive barry with that any day



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I suppose it does have the same bittersweet twinge to it, but the music's not in the same veign at all really.

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andy wrote:

page 260 in sturdy's book,  where w dance again is mentionned, made me think that they probably did another take on this song. russell says they put  lot of arrangements in it and sturdy quote lyrics that are not on the demo we got. are you all sure they didnt properly recorded it after all? (maybe for a box set part 2 in 11 years). there's also many more demos we havent heard and island is probably sitting on it, thinking about another re-release in a few years.



Those lyrics were from the only version I had access to at the time, which was the bootleg of the Xmas '94 Theatre Royal Drury Lane gig. As far as I know there was no other studio recording of it apart from the demo (and Chevette's version of course!).

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i still hope !

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Further thoughts:

I'm listening to You're not Blind a lot. If you ask me it's a cross between Babies and Lipgloss and very in keeping with the rest of the His n Hers material. I don't know why they never took this any further because it would have been just as much of a hit as any of the singles released of Hjs n Hers (maybe, like Live On, some of the lyrics are a bit personal).

It's a Dirty World definitely deserved to be on This is Hardcore. The lyrics (I'm guessing they are about retired stripper... my CDs still haven't come yet so I can't read the lyrics) sit well with This is Hardcore (the song) and Party Hard. If it was on the album, it would have been perfect ammunition for anyone suggesting Pulp had gone all dark on us but even so, if you ask me, it's better than anything on This is Hardcore save for The Fear and The Day After the Revolution.

Street Operator is a definite winner. If it was polished up and recorded properly it would have been a great single. Unlike We Can Dance Again, Street Operator really could have been great. Not sure where it would have sat on the album, probably somewhere near Party Hard.

Modern Marriage is interesting. It sound like Goodnight crossed with I'm a Man. It sounds as if the chorus is more polished than the verses. It would have probably gone down well if performed live. Just like when Sunrise and Common People go all fast.

Well that's it for now.

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I've only downloaded the new songs from iTunes so far - returning to Uni in a matter of days, and whilst I want the CDs, that'll have to wait for a while, at least until I know just how poor I'm going to be.


I've just listened to the previewof Tomorrow Never Lies though - is this a different version to the b-side? The vocal sounds much softer, though I may be imagining things...


Edit - Actually, scratch that, I just paid the 79p... It's different indeed, but not very different... I guess the vocals and orchestra are softer, I've always liked the original and I like this too.



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Amid this frenzy of illegal downloading, I finally took the time to listen to the "propper" version of Cocaine Socialism. And I don't like it at all. How Jarvis could prefer this to the b-side version is beyond me. The backing vocals are ridiculous, and the song falls apart by the end. Don't get me wrong, II like having both versions, it's just that the propper version is not in any way an improvement.

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Each to their own, but I think I actually prefer the 'proper' version. The backing vocals seem fairly tasteful to my ears (certainly no worse than The Fear), and the whole thing just seems a bit more fleshed-out and fully realised than the B-side version - which was presumably stripped down in order to achieve the rather difficult task of not making A Little Soul look ridiculously crap by comparison.

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Cactus Jack wrote:


Steve Devereux wrote:

I wonder if WCDA had come out, and Disco 2000 was the lost demo, whether we'd be seeing the same debate? I don't know.


the debate would have been how on earth did pulp not record this classic record that is disco 2000, much better than this pleasent, slightly abba sounding record,


my favorite at the moment is The Boss, that is the lost single, it's fantastic, also catcliffe shakedown, and it's a dirty world, i would have replaced seductive barry with that any day





 


I agree, the boss is a lost single, and dirty world should have replaced seductive barry



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Much as I love The Boss, I can't help thinking of it as a pastiche. Every single lyric in that song, from "wearing a shirt that trying too hard" to "after 7 years down a dead end road, I'm gunna get out a here... let it go" is like one Pulp cliche after another. If I were going to write a Pulp parody, I think it'd sound just like The Boss. Just not as good.

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although the lyrics are thematically tres Pulp-esque, i find there's something quite agressive about the music. something very Misshapes about it, which is something that the band only pursued for a brief period of time. Pulp was very rarely garage-y, and this has that feel (possibly because it was an unfinished demo, but possibly because it was the intention and pulse of the song...)

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I think it sounds like OU and Stacks.

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