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Open Strings was also on Soulseek soon after the release of Spike Island single.


 Yes, but it's easier to ripp the Japanese CD than a vinyl and there's probably more people on Soulseek who own the Japanese CD than the vinyl. 


 Actually the first version of Open Strings i found was the vinyl one, since it was released first. Its not rare to find vinyl rips on youtube or soulseek. 

Only need one person, its not technically complicated now, if you got turntable that you can connect to a computer, its basically the same as ripping a CD. Most do nowadays 



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I've managed to record them, but the quality is really rather meh.

Not sure if it's the output from the player, the cable (USB B> USB A > USB C), or just because I'm recording through QuickTime not something like Audacity.


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Why don't you try Audacity? It's free. But I'm not sure Audacity support USB input. I suppose you can't use stereo input with your record player? 



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I've managed to record them, but the quality is really rather meh.

Not sure if it's the output from the player, the cable (USB B> USB A > USB C), or just because I'm recording through QuickTime not something like Audacity.


 

Maybe It's recording via the Mic Line ? 

You can also try Garageband if on Mac

If on PC, Audacity will do the job  (on Mac too) 

 

Step 1 Connect Everything

  1. Turntable Phono preamp (if needed)

  2. Phono preamp Audio interface (Line In)

  3. Audio interface Computer (USB)

If your turntable has USB output, you can connect it directly to your computer.


Step 2 Set Up Audacity

  1. Open Audacity

  2. In the top toolbar:

    • Set Audio Host to: MME (Windows) or Core Audio (Mac)

    • Select your USB audio interface as Recording Device

    • Set Recording Channels to 2 (Stereo)

  3. Set Project Rate (bottom left) to 44100 Hz


Step 3 Check Recording Level

  1. Click Monitoring (microphone meter)

  2. Play the loudest part of your vinyl

  3. Adjust input gain so peaks stay around -6 dB

    • Avoid red (clipping)


Step 4 Record

  1. Click the red Record button

  2. Lower the needle onto the record

  3. Let it record the full side

  4. Click Stop when finished


Step 5 Clean Up (Optional but Recommended)

  • Trim silence (Select Delete)

  • Effect Normalize

  • Effect Click Removal (for crackles)

  • Effect Noise Reduction (if needed)

Keep it light dont overprocess.


Step 6 Export

  1. File Export

  2. Choose:

    • WAV (best quality)

    • FLAC (lossless + smaller)

    • MP3 (smaller, compressed)

  3. Add track metadata if desired



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It's definitely best if you can do a simple USB to USB. If you have to use a 3.5mm line out you can get hum.

Make sure the levels/volume in Audacity don't top out (start hitting the lines at the top), as that will give you distortion.

Personally I wouldn't worry about Wav vs Flac vs MP3 for something like this, you won't be able to tell the difference as long as the MP3 is at least 192 (320 to be safe).



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Might as well go for 320, it does not cost more :D





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Finally picked-up the vinyl from Rough Trade this afternoon.

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If anyone is able to upload the Bsides would love to have them digitally.

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thanx for all the reviews, while we streaming only people are being left on the side of the road.

Its also possible they are delaying it a bit on streaming not to interfere with Begging for Change. Maybe after march 6 ? 



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It's a pity there are no lyrics or credit and recording notes with the vinyl. All it says is that they were both recorded a week before the album sessions in November 2024.

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Just got mine. Listening for the first time now.

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My copy has a nasty scratch at the end of side B, don't know if anyone else has that? No tote bag for me either!


Cold Call On The Hotline skips during the instrumental bridge of my copy. Does anyone know if Rough Trade's exchange policy is worthwhile? I don't want to be returning, paying postage, waiting for a replacement which may have the same issue etc.



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Just got mine. Listening for the first time now.

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My copy has a nasty scratch at the end of side B, don't know if anyone else has that? No tote bag for me either!


Cold Call On The Hotline skips during the instrumental bridge of my copy. Does anyone know if Rough Trade's exchange policy is worthwhile? I don't want to be returning, paying postage, waiting for a replacement which may have the same issue etc.


 

If there's no obvious crack, just play it through a few times or take it to your local record shop to be washed (they'll charge £1 or so to do that).  Many new records just have a bit of manufacturing dust on them that can soon be cleaned off.  Or use an anti-static cloth or brush

Some people will fit about this suggestion, but putting a 1p on your stylus (i.e. a bit of extra weight) for a play through can help get stubborn offending bits of dust out.  



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It's on Soundcloud:

 

https://soundcloud.com/jake-cunnane/sets/man-comes-around-b-sides/s-wVLnHwESJT0?si=0933fb49eb77455592dfefeac17d9b15&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing

 

 

I used this to download as MP3:

 

https://www.klickaud.org/en13

 



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thanks, better than nothing

Marrying for love : sounds too much Jarv is to me.

Cold Call On The Hot Line : loved it, a charming synth song by the Queen Candida, can't wait to hear it in proper quality



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Thanx !

I really like Cold Call On The Hot Line, very nice album track or bside. It deserved a spot on More !

Marrying for love is a bside, right.

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Thank you! These are lots of fun.

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Well found, pulped. Saves me bothering to connect it all up again

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Have someone managed to get the b-sides in decent quality? It was nice to share the recordings on Soundcloud but we really need to hear them fully, don't we?

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yeah I'm not too involved anymore in Soulseek stuff etc. but I was expecting them to surface much quicker. I should get the vinyl next Monday but my old turntable won't be able to help in any way unfortunately.



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Well its a very limited release, 1500 copies and not sold out, so the probably of an upload is very low.

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Have someone managed to get the b-sides in decent quality? It was nice to share the recordings on Soundcloud but we really need to hear them fully, don't we?


 No, unfortunately. You're right, the Soundcloud recordings are awful. I've listened to them only once. I check Soulseek very often and nothing is spotting. 



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sad cause Cold Call is my new favorite Pulp song, would love it "more" if it was realeased on YT, like the two bonus tracks of the latest and boring Moz album

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not released, my bad, uploaded by hardcore fans and that was easy cause it's from a digital edition

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I'm sure they will be on streaming eventually, gotta be patient.

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i've managed to record my copy. if any of you want the songs

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Yes please!

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Oh yeah a PM would be amazing :)

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thank you again hugomrtnzz !

Cold Call... sounds like an outtake from This is Hardcore i'm loving it. Same warm sound.

Marrying... and i think someone said it earlier, sounds more like Jarv Is than Pulp. Feels more rushed with unpolished vocals, even unmixed or unfinished a bit but still a nice bside.

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Marrying...
Cold Call...
Begging for Changer
Open Strings

Nice batch of extra tracks. Now make that More Deluxe CD, Pulp, will ya :)

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hugomrtnzz wrote:

i've managed to record my copy. if any of you want the songs


 I'd be happy to get that. Thank you. 



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i've managed to record my copy. if any of you want the songs


 

I PMed you too! Thanks a lot.



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I would like to hear it too, please


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I'm sure they will be on streaming eventually, gotta be patient.


I don't know, "Open Strings" was released over 6 months ago and still isn't. 



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hugomrtnzz wrote:

i've managed to record my copy. if any of you want the songs


 

Yes please Hugo if you wouldn't mind.  Be nice to get them on in the car too



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I'm sure they will be on streaming eventually, gotta be patient.


I don't know, "Open Strings" was released over 6 months ago and still isn't. 


 

For the deluxe More ? biggrin



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I'd like to hear how basic Spike Island was before James knocked it into shape. It's one of the few Pulp songs where the production betters the actual tune.

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I'd like to hear how basic Spike Island was before James knocked it into shape. It's one of the few Pulp songs where the production betters the actual tune.


 Those things go hand in hand dont they. I'd love to hear the demos if there are any. 



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This performance may provide a hint. It does sound quite stripped down compared to the finished product. 



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Yeah, was thinking about the live debut and when it was, looks like it was a month or so after the 3 days spent in the studio on the song with James Ford - the start of More before they did the whole album the following November.

This live version is a little tentative compared to how it sounds at a gig now, might just be confidence/practice rather than being informed by the studio recording.



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James Ford is known for his atmospheric production. I dont think he drastically changed the song, but he gave it it's light and grandiose sound.

He has a way to make instrument breath on their own on his recordings. When over bands rely on compression, James Ford bets on space.

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Cold Call On The Hot Line : the more I listen to it, and I listen to it a lot, the more I think about the very Scott Walkeresque Country Line by the Farmer's Boys.




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Cold Call is on youtube

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The Man Comes Around released on streaming

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The whole lot has just been released on Bandcamp: pulpmusic.bandcamp.com/album/the-man-comes-around

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Ah ! good news. They sound pretty spectacular. 



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The whole lot has just been released on Bandcamp: pulpmusic.bandcamp.com/album/the-man-comes-around


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If they are willing to put these two on streaming then maybe there's still some hope for "Open Strings".

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Marrying is very JarvIs but not bad, however Cold Call is fantastic - a real old school Different Class b-side style tune - loving it.

And yeah, hopefully Open Strings goes up sometime so I can complete my More Deluxe playlist



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Two very strong bsides indeed.

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Marrying for Love is utterly gorgeous and would be one of the top 3 songs on the last album, if it was there. It's been on repeat all day. I'm proposing in a week's time, so I'll probably always associate this tune with this - whether it goes well or not! I'm pretty happy with that, either way.

Bit disappointed by Cold Call because the first time I listened I heard one lyric as "...I'm w*nking to a deadline" and thought it was brilliant and classic Jarvis. Was a bit gutted when I relistened and it's actually just "working".

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Cold Call is Ansaphone 2, it took me a whole day to recall the song

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Marrying for Love is utterly gorgeous and would be one of the top 3 songs on the last album, if it was there. It's been on repeat all day. I'm proposing in a week's time, so I'll probably always associate this tune with this - whether it goes well or not! I'm pretty happy with that, either way.

Bit disappointed by Cold Call because the first time I listened I heard one lyric as "...I'm w*nking to a deadline" and thought it was brilliant and classic Jarvis. Was a bit gutted when I relistened and it's actually just "working".


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Well for once i think track selection was pretty spot on for More

In the past Pulp or Jarvis made some questionnable choices (We Can Dance Again, some This is Hardcore Bsides, the whole We Love Life, One Man Show and Girls Like It Too on his solo album) but this time, right call.

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Thoughts : These three tracks work really well together, blend nicely, and I'm happy that they're together in a neat little package.
"More" seemed very eclectic with a great disjoint between HnH/DC vs TiH eras. It very much felt like "here's a bunch of stuff we threw together into a bundle". Whereas these three tracks all have the same vibe.

Even though these are "The slower Pulp", I think that because they're all "The slower Pulp", together, my head seems to enjoy them more, whereas More.. .. I'm sorry, but I tend to stop it about halfway through.

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same here. loved these 3 songs together
also same thought on More, I liked the 1 st part until the end of GTHL, next songs from this album are not my vibe... beautiful songs, but not the Pulp I like or would like to hear..


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Its the running order that is the issue on More

this is how i listen to it, first part very fast and punchy, second more mellow

 

 01. Spike Island

- I add After You here, it fits well 

02. Tina

03. Grown Ups

04. Got To Have Love 

05. Slow Jam  

06. My Sex

07. Background Noise 

 

08. Partial Eclipse

09. The Hymn of the North 

10. Farmers Market

 

 11. A Sunset



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Pulp is the only band i can think of (bar Maybe Divine Comedy) that i can think of that sounds as good at 60 compared to when they were in their prime. Their return is truly spectacular. The EP and Begging for Change are just incredible extra tracks.

On another note, i just realized Marrying for Love sounds a bit like an outtake from Foxygen's We Are the 21st Century Ambassadors of Peace & Magic album. Same vibe.



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It's tricky - the pacing of albums. Do you put all the slow/mellow ones together ie like Andy's above? It provides smooth sequencing but puts some people off as there are too many slowies together and as some of the comments above/elsewhere have said, they lose interest in More halway through (I don't as I think the quality of the lower-tempo songs on More Side B is really strong).

But then, if you mixed them with the quicker ones throughout the album, it might be jarring. What's the answer? One album of Slow Pulp and one album of Faster Pulp? As the group are older, slow seems the logical way to go. We should be having us a slow jam anyway as it's the best thing they've written since the 90s smile



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Pulp is the only band i can think of (bar Maybe Divine Comedy) that i can think of that sounds as good at 60 compared to when they were in their prime. Their return is truly spectacular. The EP and Begging for Change are just incredible extra tracks.

On another note, i just realized Marrying for Love sounds a bit like an outtake from Foxygen's We Are the 21st Century Ambassadors of Peace & Magic album. Same vibe.


What about Suede? I accept that they will never top the first two albums but everything they have released since 2013 tries very hard. 



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It's tricky - the pacing of albums. Do you put all the slow/mellow ones together ie like Andy's above? It provides smooth sequencing but puts some people off as there are too many slowies together and as some of the comments above/elsewhere have said, they lose interest in More halway through (I don't as I think the quality of the lower-tempo songs on More Side B is really strong).

But then, if you mixed them with the quicker ones throughout the album, it might be jarring. What's the answer? One album of Slow Pulp and one album of Faster Pulp? As the group are older, slow seems the logical way to go. We should be having us a slow jam anyway as it's the best thing they've written since the 90s smile


 What i like about my tracklisting is precisely that : you got a strong powerful start, and then slowly fades and goes into mellower territories. That's how most of my days go, i dont know for this record it seems to fit, as the songs are too different to go fast/slow/middle/fast/slow. It's been almost a year now and ive never gone back to the original tracklisting. 



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Pulp is the only band i can think of (bar Maybe Divine Comedy) that i can think of that sounds as good at 60 compared to when they were in their prime. Their return is truly spectacular. The EP and Begging for Change are just incredible extra tracks.

On another note, i just realized Marrying for Love sounds a bit like an outtake from Foxygen's We Are the 21st Century Ambassadors of Peace & Magic album. Same vibe.


What about Suede? I accept that they will never top the first two albums but everything they have released since 2013 tries very hard. 


Welllll i never really liked Suede to be honest. I love both Bernard Butler first two solo albums, and some track here and there by Suede, but that's it. I dont know, it never clicked for me. 



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Pulp is the only band i can think of (bar Maybe Divine Comedy) that i can think of that sounds as good at 60 compared to when they were in their prime. Their return is truly spectacular. The EP and Begging for Change are just incredible extra tracks.

On another note, i just realized Marrying for Love sounds a bit like an outtake from Foxygen's We Are the 21st Century Ambassadors of Peace & Magic album. Same vibe.


What about Suede? I accept that they will never top the first two albums but everything they have released since 2013 tries very hard. 


 

I agree about Suede.  Ride are actually better than they ever were (Weather Diaries is better than Nowhere).  James (All The Colours Of You) and the Cure (Songs Of A Lost World) still both hit near their very best.  Even Blur - I preferred Ballad of Darren to all their albums bar Modern Life Is Rubbish



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The last Blur has its moment but overall i found it very tired and too many slow song heavy. Like if Pulp had released Spike Island and then 10 partial eclipse. It's still an enjoyable album but to me they've done way better in their prime. Still it's a band that can be on top again. Coxon is doing an amazing solo career, lastly with the Waeve.

As for the other, same as Suede, not my cup of tea so i cant really be a judge.

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The last Blur has its moment but overall i found it very tired and too many slow song heavy. Like if Pulp had released Spike Island and then 10 partial eclipse. It's still an enjoyable album but to me they've done way better in their prime. Still it's a band that can be on top again. Coxon is doing an amazing solo career, lastly with the Waeve.

As for the other, same as Suede, not my cup of tea so i cant really be a judge.


 

I think the thing with Blur is that their 'classic' albums were always really patchy.  End Of A Century, To The End, This Is A Low, The Universal, Beetlebum combined would make up the bulk of a great album.  But the rest of those three albums those is all quite disposable.  On Ballard of Darren I thought there were 3 or 4 strong tracks, which is a better hit rate than anything of theirs since Modern Life.  



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Ballad of Darren is, for me, that rare perfect album, even if you add on the three bonus tracks.

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I always thought that the "Big 3" Blur albums were too long, a couple of songs from each could have been B-sides. I think that "The Ballad of Darren" is too short, I don't think that the bonus tracks would have fit in well but there are a couple of existing album tracks that could have been extended slightly. The arrangements are great but even when I listen now, I think "Is that it?".

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Yeah, so back to the B-Sides. Anyone get a bang of Forever In My Dreams off of Married For Love? Musically l, mean. Lyrically it treads similar ground. I guess Forever was for Camille, the new one for Kim.



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The last Blur has its moment but overall i found it very tired and too many slow song heavy. Like if Pulp had released Spike Island and then 10 partial eclipse. It's still an enjoyable album but to me they've done way better in their prime. Still it's a band that can be on top again. Coxon is doing an amazing solo career, lastly with the Waeve.

As for the other, same as Suede, not my cup of tea so i cant really be a judge.


 

I think the thing with Blur is that their 'classic' albums were always really patchy.  End Of A Century, To The End, This Is A Low, The Universal, Beetlebum combined would make up the bulk of a great album.  But the rest of those three albums those is all quite disposable.  On Ballard of Darren I thought there were 3 or 4 strong tracks, which is a better hit rate than anything of theirs since Modern Life.  


 

I think Blur as a whole is much for casual listeners. You either dig the style or dont, there is no middle ground. I personally think those albums are great but i totally understand that their music cant be like by everyone. I even love their b sides. 

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Ballad of Darren is, for me, that rare perfect album, even if you add on the three bonus tracks.


 Oh yes, the 3 bonus tracks deserved a spot on the record, instead of other especially The Swan, which is the best ballad Damon has written since the 90s. 

I prefered when Blur was ****y, ironic and witty, they perfectly described the 90s in their song, just like Pulp or Oasis, but in a different way. Ever since Damon entered his moody phase (Think Tank, although it's a good album) I'm less in it, although i enjoy those albums too. 



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Yeah, so back to the B-Sides. Anyone get a bang of Forever In My Dreams off of Married For Love? Musically l, mean. Lyrically it treads similar ground. I guess Forever was for Camille, the new one for Kim.


So now I've had a listen a few times, I really like "Marrying for Love". I agree that it's like a better version of "Baby's Coming Back to Me" and yes, I'd say that there is a hint of "Forever in my Dreams" in there plus a very small trace of "Background Noise".

"Cold Call on the Hotline" is quite interesting, it is as if they have taken one of the ideas that cropped up in "Ansaphone" and turned it into a full song. It works. 

I don't think that either of these would have fit in well on the album but they are a great pair of B-sides. I remember the relief of actually getting proper B-sides to "Bad Cover Version" and now that singles are a lot different to how they used to be, it's great to have these released. 



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I still remember the horror of hearing That Boy's Evil for the first time... did I really pay that much money for a remix and this instrumental repetitive excuse for a song? oh, the disappointment... :)

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That Boys Evil and their remix of The Facts Of Life.
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Yeah that was the time record label went too far with CD1 and CD2 singles with pointless remixes. Who could buy all of these ? I did, but only if there was a new bside on the CD and not just remixes.

That Boy's Evil is fun. It's just a bside so that's fine.

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I'm not sure it's really a "Pulp" track though - they're all credited but it's really Jarvis and Steve mucking-about, learning to DJ, isn't it ?

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I'm not sure it's really a "Pulp" track though - they're all credited but it's really Jarvis and Steve mucking-about, learning to DJ, isn't it ?


 A Pulp track is a track where Jarvis is involved I suppose. Same for the James Bond track, All Time High, it was Jarvis, Mark and Steve only i think, and its labelled as Pulp. 



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Sure but Evil is based on samples and loops. It's a dance track, are Nick, Mark and Candy even playing on it?

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Its Pulps Revolution 9 in more ways than one.

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Sure but Evil is based on samples and loops. It's a dance track, are Nick, Mark and Candy even playing on it?


 

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Yes but it was made into a song that all the band perform on. It's not a Smackey and ****er DJ-production.

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Yes but it was made into a song that all the band perform on. It's not a Smackey and ****er DJ-production.


To me Pulp was always a pretty loose concept, with people coming and going, and Jarvis as the only compulsory member.

So if there is no Mark or Candida, it could still be labelled as Pulp (i guess with their blessing though)

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I strongly doubt that "That Boy's Evil" was ever conceived as a full Pulp song. I got a copy of the Chocolate Layers 12" and some of the guitars sounded a bit louder but that's likely because I was listening on vinyl not CD. As the "A Little Soul" single was never released on vinyl, I am unable to do a back-to-back comparison.

The 2 CD rule was a good marketing technique and believe it or not, there was a market for the seemingly never-ending supply of remixes. I always bought both CDs if it was one of my favourite bands but for anyone else, I bought the one with proper B-sides. Fortunately, some bands (namely Suede and Mansun) would release B-sides on both CDs which was a plus. But then, it did allow for the reverse to happen (see "The Trees / Sunrise" or "Coffee and TV" by Blur).

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Slow Jam really muddied the waters of what is a Pulp song for me, it seems very likely that most of us on here heard the song long before most of the core Pulp members did, is it a Pulp song or a cover of a Jarv Is song?

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Think you're right about us knowing it before 3/4s of Pulp but it's the final iteration of a Jarv Is... song. There's so many brilliant overdubs that add to the final version ( including what Mark, Candida and the Elysians play) and an explosive final chorus that it feels a bit unfair to call it purely Jarv Is.



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Theres something to be said for a cover version that surpasses the original. I dont know if it can truly be called a cover version if its being sung by the person who wrote it, its an interesting situation to debate though.

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I strongly doubt that "That Boy's Evil" was ever conceived as a full Pulp song. I got a copy of the Chocolate Layers 12" and some of the guitars sounded a bit louder but that's likely because I was listening on vinyl not CD. As the "A Little Soul" single was never released on vinyl, I am unable to do a back-to-back comparison.

The 2 CD rule was a good marketing technique and believe it or not, there was a market for the seemingly never-ending supply of remixes. I always bought both CDs if it was one of my favourite bands but for anyone else, I bought the one with proper B-sides. Fortunately, some bands (namely Suede and Mansun) would release B-sides on both CDs which was a plus. But then, it did allow for the reverse to happen (see "The Trees / Sunrise" or "Coffee and TV" by Blur).


 

I have never ever liked a remix by any of my favorite bands, ever. It's usually the same formula: make it 7 mins long, add stupid instruments and repeat vocals bits over and over again with echo or a weird noise. It's cheap to make and not interesting at all. I never got the point of it, bar, selling more records when people where buying records. 

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Theres something to be said for a cover version that surpasses the original. I dont know if it can truly be called a cover version if its being sung by the person who wrote it, its an interesting situation to debate though.


 The live Jarv Is... version is more tentative because it's new and unfinished sounding. Pulp and Jarv Is... completed it together. That plus the fact Jarvis is the main common denominator means I would never see it as a "cover" even though there are parts on the live Jarv Is... version that I prefer. 



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I agree Andy, most remixes are a waste of time. I think the artists like them because their ego is stroked by another artist wanting to work on their creation.

When I listen to remixes these days, unless the remixer has made an interesting groove or looped part that works in repetition, the main thing I listen out is for isolated/new vocal and instrumental bits that have been buried on the original.



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I strongly doubt that "That Boy's Evil" was ever conceived as a full Pulp song. I got a copy of the Chocolate Layers 12" and some of the guitars sounded a bit louder but that's likely because I was listening on vinyl not CD. As the "A Little Soul" single was never released on vinyl, I am unable to do a back-to-back comparison.

The 2 CD rule was a good marketing technique and believe it or not, there was a market for the seemingly never-ending supply of remixes. I always bought both CDs if it was one of my favourite bands but for anyone else, I bought the one with proper B-sides. Fortunately, some bands (namely Suede and Mansun) would release B-sides on both CDs which was a plus. But then, it did allow for the reverse to happen (see "The Trees / Sunrise" or "Coffee and TV" by Blur).


 

I have never ever liked a remix by any of my favorite bands, ever. It's usually the same formula: make it 7 mins long, add stupid instruments and repeat vocals bits over and over again with echo or a weird noise. It's cheap to make and not interesting at all. I never got the point of it, bar, selling more records when people where buying records. 

I would rather have demos than remixes, they were far more interesting, at least from a musician point of view. 


 

I generally agree with you.  I've been racking my brain for a decent remix, just for curiosity.  The only ones I can come up with are:

- Union of Knives with Helen Marnie - A Tall Tale.  I think the remix that was a bside or mailing list bonus well exceeded the original

- Bowie & Queen - Under Pressure. The remix for the film Aftersun took that song to a whole new level



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Slow Jam really muddied the waters of what is a Pulp song for me, it seems very likely that most of us on here heard the song long before most of the core Pulp members did, is it a Pulp song or a cover of a Jarv Is song?


I have just remembered: apparently "Something Changed" started its life as a Saskia C0cker solo demo in 1984 though it did feature Jarvis on guitar. So none of us have heard it and the chances are it was never performed live at the time but are the waters muddied there as well?

For me, it is clear that the other members brought something to "Slow Jam" so I class it as a Pulp song. The Jarv Is version was likely never finished. 

As for remixes, I like about 10% of them; the Motiv-8 ones were decent enough and those two that appeared on "The Trees" and "Sunrise" CDs weren't bad, although nowhere near as good as proper B-sides. 



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But isn't Jarv Is just Pulp without the Pulp members that did not want to be in music back then ?

Its always been very vague what Pulp is and isn't. Many personnel change over the years, Jarvis could just have named the Jarv Is records Pulp, It happened before with other bands.

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Even in the latter days ? Didn't Jarvis bring more or less fully written songs for the others to add bits ? Wasn't it mostly a bit like that for More as well ? 



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I like plenty of remixes, including some by favourite bands, but Pulp never seemed to have any really good ones for some reason.

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I like plenty of remixes, including some by favourite bands, but Pulp never seemed to have any really good ones for some reason.


 I loved the Swedish Erotica mix of This Is Hardcore, by Tipsy, though its a stretch to call it a remix. Agree that Pulp remixes are generally disappointing and superfluous.



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