I posted about this when it aired a few weeks ago. It's just 20 seconds or so that plays over a montage of the News of the World scandal. Feel really old knowing that's now ancient history.
I was working for the opposition at the time, so weird to watch. Remember seeing folk I knew outside for the statement after the last edition.
I don't think Murdoch really gave a **** about the hacking scandal, it helped to get the Sun on a seven day operation rather have 2 different teams.
And yes I also feel really old
I posted about this when it aired a few weeks ago. It's just 20 seconds or so that plays over a montage of the News of the World scandal. Feel really old knowing that's now ancient history.
Oops, I must have missed that post first time round. Sorry.
I don't believe that Pulp would release a cover version as a single or album track. I think Candida talked about a potential EP in future so it may appear on that.
Does anyone know how I can contact the band? I might as well set up a direct debit from my bank account to theirs these days :)
Joking aside, this was a very pleasant surprise. We've been really blessed in the past few years after so much silence and I'm loving every bit of it. I hope they are too and know how much this means to us (well, at least me).
This was a lovely surprise I'm excited to hear about Nick and Candida writing the music.
I'll join the chorus of people wanting a CD. I never bought a record player, not because I wouldn't like one but money just goes elsewhere. My CD player from the 90s is still going strong.
Does this mean they recorded The Man Comes Around, and then spruced these two demos up to be proper tracks in the studio with Jason Buckle in recent sessions? Or is it one properly recorded studio cover and just two demos?
Would be very interesting if they had gone back to these two tracks and fully recorded them. And maybe open the door to future stuff in this respect.
I take it to mean the Nick and Candy songs were demo'd with other More material before they started working with James Ford but not taken any further apart from the mixing by Jason. Jarvis told Hot Press in May that they only had one tune left over from the album sessions, he couldn't think of appropriate lyrics and felt it didn't suit the mood of the album.
Presumably The Man Comes Around was done "properly", ie not during a demo session and more recently. Around the time of the Red Rock gig where they were going to play it live?
Bit baffled at the late Feb release date, combined with the 'albums of the year edition' tag.
I used to buy some of the albums of the year bundles, with exclusive bonus discs, but they always come out in the run up to Christmas, i.e. now, not 3 months from now. Described as a 'festive bonus'... maybe the date's wrong.
Dread to think what I've spent on Pulp this year, and I haven't even seen them live.
-- Edited by inspirit on Wednesday 12th of November 2025 09:18:37 PM
Surely they are preparing a new release for christmas with a bonus CD. I mean, it would be a mistake not to do it.
I highly doubt there will be a CD version until the lucrative 12" record business is over. I can't stand this business, but that's the way it is. I really miss the glory days of CD (DVD) singles/B-sides.
Surely they are preparing a new release for christmas with a bonus CD. I mean, it would be a mistake not to do it.
I highly doubt there will be a CD version until the lucrative 12" record business is over. I can't stand this business, but that's the way it is. I really miss the glory days of CD (DVD) singles/B-sides.
Id imagine more people own record players now than have anything in their house that will still play a cd.
I bought More on cd as well as vinyl, but i barely remember cd singles existing for over a decade now. I lie actually - Bluetones have done a few recently, but that's the one exception i can think. After You never got a cd release other than the dj promo, and that was 13 years ago
Surely they are preparing a new release for christmas with a bonus CD. I mean, it would be a mistake not to do it.
I highly doubt there will be a CD version until the lucrative 12" record business is over. I can't stand this business, but that's the way it is. I really miss the glory days of CD (DVD) singles/B-sides.
Id imagine more people own record players now than have anything in their house that will still play a cd.
I bought More on cd as well as vinyl, but i barely remember cd singles existing for over a decade now. I lie actually - Bluetones have done a few recently, but that's the one exception i can think. After You never got a cd release other than the dj promo, and that was 13 years ago
Well its too bad really, people miss a lot of details, the streaming version does not even come close to the CD. So many bits cut even on the "lossless" version of apple music that's supposed to be like a CD.
I'm probably very old school. I still own 4 CD players (Blu-ray player/car/computer and hi-fi system)...
Snap. Maybe CDs will come back, after all cassettes have, and that seemed vanishingly improbable. Can't see CD singles every returning though. Maybe (hopefully) people will turn away from streaming. I don't stream, but when visiting friends with TV streaming, the common habit of silently scrolling through loads and loads of stuff seems miserable, and little different psychologically from doom-scrolling. I'm told that music streaming services are getting clogged with AI pap, and we all know it doesn't work for for creators. I hope the whole thing collapses.
Have cassettes really come back? I imagine that they are just bought as souvenirs of a gig attended or a merch memento to support the artist and admire the artwork/read the lyrics, credits and liner notes if there are any.
And I imagine the same applies to the majority of CD and vinyl purchases. Streaming from your phone or laptop is just too easy to do.
-- Edited by Eamonn on Sunday 16th of November 2025 07:06:38 PM
I really dislike streaming. For me it completely takes the pleasure away from living with an album. Not to mention the soaring environmental costs, musicians I adore and want to keep making music not paid appropriately, not really wanting a machine to track my music listening and then have them recommend similar artists which I have no interest in listening to - just because I love the Cocteau Twins doesnt mean I want to listen to every single band doing their dream pop... its so passive - and of course the horrendous ethics of those pushing these platforms. I am so glad I got off them - not that I was really on them. I used to play Music Leagues and became quite obsessed. But I purchased a very impressive hifi player - not the crappy ones you get at JB Hifi - one from a proper Hihfi shop so had to endure through a hifi man's tech specs but its slowed my consumption back to where I enjoy music again. Not trying to keep up with every release. Love physical media. So I hope these new tracks make it across to CDs.
-- Edited by cutcopy on Sunday 16th of November 2025 11:51:46 PM
As with every human invention, streaming is being used the lazy and daft way. It's the equivalent of Youtube being used for cat and dance videos (when there are many content to learn new things).
I could only dream of having every song ever in my pocket when i was a teenager, it was very frustrating to not be able to buy every song from a band i love. Now it's all there, for very little money. It can be an incredible tool to discover new bands and let's be honest, test before buying the CD. Before that, we had listening booth in some music store. I use streaming exactly for that and also for bands who dont release their record on CD.
but they need to change the model. maybe raise the price a bit and include some kind of physical format along with it i dont know.
Streaming is not the problem, the people that make it and the people that use it are. It could be a tool to open your world to new horizon, but most use it to listen to **** autotuned music.
Blimey...well, it's certainly different which I guess is the point of a cover version. I love Johnny Cash's version so this is going to take getting used to. Not necessarily a bad cover version but I think it'll always be the original JC rendition for me.
Blimey...well, it's certainly different which I guess is the point of a cover version. I love Johnny Cash's version so this is going to take getting used to. Not necessarily a bad cover version but I think it'll always be the original JC rendition for me.
I had the opposite reaction. I listened to the Pulp one (which is fine). Then thought I'd go and discover the original, and didn't like the Johnny Cash at all. I've never got country music and that didn't convince me one bit.
Hmm, perhaps. I actually thought the opposite when I saw the B-sides weren't up: like Open Strings, they might be held as vinyl exclusives [or Japanese imports] for a while longer.
Listened to the radio debut on Lauren Laverne this morning, she was very keen, but on first listen it was intriguing more than exciting. Will keep listening, sure it'll grow on me. Barely a song really, it's mostly spoken (what's the fancy word, something like sprechengesang?). Doesn't sound very Pulp-ish, or JARV IS-ish, reminded me of the Riton-Gucci Sound System 'Let's Stick Around' from a couple of years ago.
Jarvis is only 8 years younger than Cash was when he did his version, and he looked and seemed ancient.
I have had a listen and it is certainly a grower. Without already knowing that this was a cover version, I would have thought that it was a Jarv Is outtake or something.
I hope that the B-sides appear on streaming and to be honest, "Open Strings" belongs there too.
Not that it matters, but I didn't like it being referred to as "Pulps new single" on the announcement. Its a mild diversion but nowt more.
It's a weird choice indeed. Couldn't they have reworked an abandonned song from the session ? I dont really like covers, and especially with Pulp. Their songs are better.
Well well.... I have to say a absolutely love it, i think its brilliant, a complete wtf moment when I heard it- It made my eyes go glassy and gave me goosebumps, I always thought J Cash(s) music kinda all sounded too similar (I do like some of his stuff)- I know he has die hard fans and my dad likes him, but when you listen to the original, then this, for me it was a proper wow moment, like they turned that song into gold
It reminds me of Relaxed Muscle. I must say, I DONT like it.
Good point, I am also picking up a bit of Relaxed Muscle in there.
It's quite interesting how Jarvis' feelings towards cover versions have changed. I remember him saying during a Black Session once, something along the lines of "We're going to play a cover version because it's a condition of appearing on this show but I don't like doing them". Then of course they released a song called "Bad Cover Version". Did he mellow during his solo career when cover versions often featured in the live set?
He only played them live in 06/07 to pad-out the live set when promoting the debut solo, presumably cos he didn't have enough material to fill a set given he wasn't playing any Pulp songs.
But I guess in this instance he/they were asked to do it so it might have been a welcome distraction. He did Bela Lugosi's Dead with Jarv Is... too of course as a one-off for Halloween.
A tv show could have chosen not to do if he disliked covers.
I never said (I was deep) that he disliked covers. Just that The Hack approached him. The director, who did the "controversial" Netflix show Adolescence this year, appeared on Question Time a couple of months ago saying Jarvis was his hero growing-up as a "weird kid".
I liked his vocals on the one he did of Chelsea Hotel for the Leonard Cohen tribute circa 2006 too.
I have just edited your post. If it is a youtu.be link then it won't embed, it needs to be YouTube.com. Are you using a mobile phone? It may shorten the URL. I did all that on a desktop.
Since we are talking about covers, it reminds me of a few songs Jarvis covered.
He sang Just What I Needed with The Strokes after Pulp's headline at Reading 2011. This one is great, Julian is louder than Jarvis tho. IMO, Jarvis's voice is too weak to sing like hard rock.
He also cover "Power of Love" and "If the Kids are United"
It's interesting that of his two big heroes, Leonard and Scott, he covered the former more often. I was at the BBC Prom Scott Walker night in 2017. Jarvis did Plastic Palace People but unfortunately, next to stronger voices like John Grant that night, the inevitable comparisons didn't reflect great on Jarvis.
And of course at the 2000 Meltdown when Pulp hired Walker to produce WLL, Jarvis did tackle On Your Own Again saying that the original singer might want to leave the room! That was a decent effort. Scott's voice was liquid gold though, always s tricky one to emulate when you're doing a straight cover.
It's interesting that of his two big heroes, Leonard and Scott, he covered the former more often. [...] Scott's voice was liquid gold though, always a tricky one to emulate when you're doing a straight cover.
I guess that sums it up - Jarvis' range, and especially the very deep voice he has now, make Cohen covers straightforward; emulating the richness of Scott is challenging. With Cohen a stylist himself, and a lot semi-spoken, it's a good fit for Jarvis to give his own interpretations. Going to dig out my Brel stuff, and listen to them against Scott's versions, never actually tried that.
-- Edited by inspirit on Thursday 27th of November 2025 03:32:31 PM
It's interesting that of his two big heroes, Leonard and Scott, he covered the former more often. I was at the BBC Prom Scott Walker night in 2017. Jarvis did Plastic Palace People but unfortunately, next to stronger voices like John Grant that night, the inevitable comparisons didn't reflect great on Jarvis.
And of course at the 2000 Meltdown when Pulp hired Walker to produce WLL, Jarvis did tackle On Your Own Again saying that the original singer might want to leave the room! That was a decent effort. Scott's voice was liquid gold though, always s tricky one to emulate when you're doing a straight cover.
I have just had a listen to "Plastic Palace People" and I agree with you. I don't think he does an outright bad job of it but as you say, someone else who performed on that night may have been more appropriate. Strangely enough, I think that a cover of this song, with all its strings and backing vocals, would have fit in quite well on "More" (not that I'm advocating including cover versions on albums). There are a couple of other links to this song: Jarvis chose it for a NME compilation in the early 2000s (this is how I discovered Scott Walker) and he also made a video for it in 1989, a few seconds of which can be seen here (from 8 minutes):
He also performed a cover of "Cossacks Are" in 2008. I think that it works really well, almost the kind of song Pulp would perform in the mid-1980s that never made it onto an album (i.e. Nights of Suburbia / My First Wife v2 / Didn't Feel a Thing).
Finally, Jarvis performed "The Old Man's Back Again" with Air in 2010. It's an interesting version because it was given a more electronic feel by Air and, therefore, sounded a bit different to a straightforward Walker cover:
Yeah, this has taken a few listens to grow on me but it's a worthy rendition.
Interesting to read the credits lay-out on Pulp's page on Youtube for this song: the original Pulp members are labelled as "Associated Performer" while the extended five (Rich, Adam, Em, Jase and Andrew) are all referred to as "Studio Musician". That must be for royalties-related contracts? I thought the way everyone was credited on the album as being a writer showed that they are effectively a nine-piece now but maybe there is a distinction.
Yeah, this has taken a few listens to grow on me but it's a worthy rendition.
Interesting to read the credits lay-out on Pulp's page on Youtube for this song: the original Pulp members are labelled as "Associated Performer" while the extended five (Rich, Adam, Em, Jase and Andrew) are all referred to as "Studio Musician". That must be for royalties-related contracts? I thought the way everyone was credited on the album as being a writer showed that they are effectively a nine-piece now but maybe there is a distinction.
Nah, big bands like Pulp dont include new members like that all of a sudden. They probably have a very tight deal to reform and no way they will include "random" (sorry) new members. So yes there is a distinction.
Same for Oasis, only Liam and Noel are full "real" member of Oasis, Gem and Andy have different contract and they joined 26 years ago !
Jarvis has a two companies and the money probably goes through that
All were created before the 2011 reunion, so I guess it was set in stone back then and won't change now, no matter who comes and go in the band. Its those 4 and that's it.
Man Comes Around we've already talked about it, I like it but it goes on a bit.
Marrying for Love reminds me a bit of Baby's Coming Back To Me from the first solo record, but more lively. Nice rattly percussion. Pretty straight love song.
Cold Call on the Hot Line - imagine if the talking bit in the middle of Ansaphone was a full song! Lovely bingo organ melody from Candida.
Two proper B-sides, like B-sides are meant to be. Pretty satisfied with that!
My copy has a nasty scratch at the end of side B, don't know if anyone else has that? No tote bag for me either!
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I can't remember. Hopefully they will. I have been able to have a listen:
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I agree with Sturdy's points above. These are not singles or album tracks but traditional b-sides. They definitely wouldn't have fit on "More" but that's not a bad thing. I'd say "Marrying for Love" is my favourite out of the two, it has a nice 60s feel to it.
Mine came today, happily no scratches on either side (sorry to hear Sturdy got stiffed). Sadly, no tote bag here either - maybe those went to first comers (I'm usually late to these things, not being online daily; ordered mine 12th November)? The cardboard envelope thing is quite nice though, marking RT50, with a montage of classic albums, will have to find a way to repurpose it.
'The Man' is canny enough, and I'm very keen on 'Cold Call' with its echoes of Ansaphone, reminds me of something French I can't quite recall, but it's really charming me with its gently insistent synth riff. I'm underwhelmed by the drab fuzzy production on 'Marrying For Love' - quite flat and dull, arrangement gets a bit lost in the smog - but redeemed by an intriguing lyric, with lots more of those ****er references to religion.
Seems to be a set of two quite nice b-sides, and one lovely b-side. Though I'd much rather have had these out on proper releases of 'Tina' +/ 'GTHL'. Not that I'm complaining about getting another Pulp record in my hands BUT can't really fathom why they put this out. It's not like 'Stay Together' or 'Whatever', between albums classic single, where it is vital and urgent to get something into the ears of your fanbase.
With these three + Open Strings + Begging For Change, I guess we're close to having enough for a special edition of More? What else is in the vaults from More sessions, have we got it all now?
It's a shame that the B-sides aren't on streaming. Should we try to contact Rough Trade to see if they will address this? They seem to be shooting themselves in the foot considering the band's current popularity.
It's a shame that the B-sides aren't on streaming. Should we try to contact Rough Trade to see if they will address this? They seem to be shooting themselves in the foot considering the band's current popularity.
Sometimes vinyl or bonus material appear on streaming few days/weeks later. Its been the case for Blur on the last album, or The Waeve (rough trade) when they sweared the extra tracks wouldn't be available anywhere else and then it was.
I suppose they dont want to make vinyl buyers angry.