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None of the originals are that hard to get hold of. The 7" of They Suffocate was the only thing that took me a while to track down, while the Caff record was a bit pricy. I got an original It in good condition for £8!

 Yes, same here, got most of my stuff quite cheaply, just had to be patient.... but I paid £43 for the Suffocate 7", which is the most I ever paid by far for a single. Just really wanted it, it was the last one I didn't have (bar the Caff), just wanted to get it finished and got sick of waiting. Never got the Caff, and suppose I never will now. The prices are just too high for me, even when I can afford it, it's just more than I'm willing to pay. 

Read about this recently, related to 'cost of living' increases. Many people have stopped buying certain foodstuffs, and not only the people who really can't afford the increases, but wealthy folk too - there's some psychological thing where people have price ceilings, beyond which they won't pay, when somehow it seems unjust, unfair, not right somehow. I think I've hit that ceiling with DC30. 



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I never buy re-releases on vinyl, but then I have all the originals I'm after (after a long time of collecting).  Like why would someone buy the 2019 repress of Everybody's Problem, when the original can be picked up for only a little bit more?  I buy new physical formats, but represses just feel like replicas.  

 

The problem is the originals can be hard to source unless you actively seek them out but I do agree.  I bought a reissue of Sound Affects by The Jam, and then chanced upon a very good condition second hand copy in a bargain bin in Greenwich for £1.  The latter sounded so much better. If only I had waited I would have saved myself a few quid.  Similarly I have lots of 1970s/1980s LPs that are easy enough to find, but as CDs became more prevalent in 1990s, there are few original LPs available.  I still regret not buying Different Class LP back in the day, but I had more or less stopped buying vinyl at that point.



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I still regret not buying Different Class LP back in the day, but I had more or less stopped buying vinyl at that point.

Where I lived a couple of shops did sell new vinyl, but DC didn't appear. Would have bought it if it did. I wonder how many copies of that 1st aperture version were made and how broadly it was distributed? TIH was easy to get on vinyl.

Buying vinyl was very cheap in the 90s, old stuff anyway, and the only way I could afford music when I was in school / 6th form. I got all my Bowie LPs for £3ish.

 



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I never buy re-releases on vinyl, but then I have all the originals I'm after (after a long time of collecting).  Like why would someone buy the 2019 repress of Everybody's Problem, when the original can be picked up for only a little bit more?  I buy new physical formats, but represses just feel like replicas.  

 

The problem is the originals can be hard to source unless you actively seek them out but I do agree.  I bought a reissue of Sound Affects by The Jam, and then chanced upon a very good condition second hand copy in a bargain bin in Greenwich for £1.  The latter sounded so much better. If only I had waited I would have saved myself a few quid.  Similarly I have lots of 1970s/1980s LPs that are easy enough to find, but as CDs became more prevalent in 1990s, there are few original LPs available.  I still regret not buying Different Class LP back in the day, but I had more or less stopped buying vinyl at that point.

 

There's almost nothing I've never been able to get from Discogs.  There's currently 16 copies of the original Aperture vinyl on there, 2 Caffs and even 1 They Suffocate (although missing its cover); and they seem to be the rarest/most sought after Pulp releases.  



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Yeah but are they going for silly money?

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Yeah but are they going for silly money?

Caff doesnt tend to go for under £200. Suffocate and Aperture around £100. The rest all under £50.

 

Its relative though - £200 is the cost of a train from Sheffield to London (stood like a sardine outside the toilet). Whereas Caff would be a once in a lifetime prize possession



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If you book on the day, maybe smile



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With the upcoming reissue of Different Class, the orignal aperture version will drop in value quite dramatically really. However you will still get greedy sods like Mr Peter Cracknell from Rare Record Shop on ebay asking for £385 for the Caff 7" and £250 for Common People yellow 7".

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With the upcoming reissue of Different Class, the orignal aperture version will drop in value quite dramatically really. However you will still get greedy sods like Mr Peter Cracknell from Rare Record Shop on ebay asking for £385 for the Caff 7" and £250 for Common People yellow 7".

 

I don't think the values of originals ever tend to drop like that.  They are artefacts, whereas re-releases are at best facsimiles.  It's a different market.  

 

I hadn't realised CP had shot up so much!  It's still £130-150 on Discogs



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Wanted Babies original 12" vinyl but it's close to a hundy. Babies and Razz look to be about double the value of Lippy and DYRTFT on this format. I guess Island pressed a lot more of the latter two than Gift did of the two earlier singles.

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Wanted Babies original 12" vinyl but it's close to a hundy. Babies and Razz look to be about double the value of Lippy and DYRTFT on this format. I guess Island pressed a lot more of the latter two than Gift did of the two earlier singles.

 

I never really got into 12" singles myself - I just do LPs and 7"s.  

 

But yes, a lot does come down to the original pressing run.  I remember there was an old Mansun single released under the name Grind.  It used to be massively rare and expensive.  But then one of the band found a box of another 100 or more copies in his loft, and they immediately plummeted to being everywhere and £10 a pop.  

 

I've had some luck getting rarer stuff much cheaper either from https://www.musicstack.com/ or https://jp.mercari.com/.  They can be a lot less aware and overpriced than eBay or Discogs.  Mercari in particular you can get some real rarities and bargains



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I gradually bought the whole discography on vinyl in the early 2000s along with some CDs. I did end up with a couple of extra copies of things that I have since sold on. I have never really bothered with reissues unless they contain tracks that I don't have already (as per the 2006 ones). I don't even own a record player or CD player now and just listen to everything on streaming. 

A couple of things I did notice that still seem to be true now:

  • It was much easier to get my hands on a copy of "Freaks" than it was "Separations"
  • "Common People" CD2 avoided me like the plague for several years until I saw it in a second hand shop
  • The 7" of "They Suffocate at Night" was a lot harder to find than the 12" (I'm talking the original, long before it was reissued)
  • "Master of the Universe" has always been easy to find which seems a little odd considering it has a track that is unavailable elsewhere


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Yeah, I think the MotU 12" (and TSaN too?) sold so poorly at the time that Fire had a load left in the warehouse which made their way into circulation when Pulp got big. Hence them being more readily available after that.

Absolutely right on Common People CD2, it took me years to find that.

I bought Freaks and Separations new on vinyl in 1995, they were pretty easy to get hold of at that point. Separations is the original release as put out in 1992; Freaks has that big black square on the back to obscure the old Fire Records address (and Jarvis and Russell's place in Crookes). Would be nice to get a real original at some point.

The only original vinyl that's eluded me is the Dogs Are Everywhere EP (although I've got a white label copy). It's gone up in price since I got most of the '80s releases on Ebay in the doldrum years of the early 2000s!

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Its relative though - £200 is the cost of a train from Sheffield to London (stood like a sardine outside the toilet). Whereas Caff would be a once in a lifetime prize possession

 Good point. I bought the coloured 7" singles collection when it came out. I think it cost £35 at the time, but that was a BIG deal for me, when I was on £40/wk in my first job (pre-minimum wage days, evil employer, dead now - literally p*ssed on his grave, which still satisfies me years later). I had to save up for it, and kept going into the indie where it was behind the counter, hoping it would still be there. The Discogs median is £200, one up now for £370. Current minimum wage is £458 for a 37.5hr wk. Wow, things have changed. May have said this before, if so, apologies.

Scottbloodyfrazer wrote:

With the upcoming reissue of Different Class, the original aperture version will drop in value quite dramatically really. 

I thought that would happen when TIH was re-issued in 2016, but originals didn't drop at all on Discogs.

Sturdy wrote:

Yeah, I think the MotU 12" (and TSaN too?) sold so poorly at the time that Fire had a load left in the warehouse which made their way into circulation when Pulp got big. Hence them being more readily available after that.

 Similar to that, mint copies of Everybody's Problem used to appear periodically on Ebay in the 2000s / 2010s, purporting to be sold by Tony Perrin's widow. I didn't get one, but it looked genuine, and the address given was York, which fits with Red Rhino. I wonder if anyone here got one?

Got lucky with Common People CD2 - 49p, Age UK.



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Yeah, I think the MotU 12" (and TSaN too?) sold so poorly at the time that Fire had a load left in the warehouse which made their way into circulation when Pulp got big. Hence them being more readily available after that.

Absolutely right on Common People CD2, it took me years to find that.

I bought Freaks and Separations new on vinyl in 1995, they were pretty easy to get hold of at that point. Separations is the original release as put out in 1992; Freaks has that big black square on the back to obscure the old Fire Records address (and Jarvis and Russell's place in Crookes). Would be nice to get a real original at some point.

The only original vinyl that's eluded me is the Dogs Are Everywhere EP (although I've got a white label copy). It's gone up in price since I got most of the '80s releases on Ebay in the doldrum years of the early 2000s!

 

Do you know where specifically in Crookes they lived? Mark was either Cairns or Selbourne Road wasnt he.



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 Similar to that, mint copies of Everybody's Problem used to appear periodically on Ebay in the 2000s / 2010s, purporting to be sold by Tony Perrin's widow. I didn't get one, but it looked genuine, and the address given was York, which fits with Red Rhino. I wonder if anyone here got one?

Got lucky with Common People CD2 - 49p, Age UK.

 

It was Tony K's widow - Tony Perrin is still alive and well to the best of my knowledge!



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Do you know where specifically in Crookes they lived? Mark was either Cairns or Selbourne Road wasnt he.

 323 School Road apparently:

 

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Sturdy wrote:
HoltbyCity wrote:

Do you know where specifically in Crookes they lived? Mark was either Cairns or Selbourne Road wasnt he.

 323 School Road apparently:

 

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Thanks.  Interesting.  It's a pub now called Early Bar.

No wonder the Nine O'Clock Service cult was a temptation to several members - that's St Thomas' where it was based just opposite: 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/323+School+Rd,+Sheffield+S10+1GQ/@53.38291,-1.5068309,3a,75y,213h,84.28t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s0ypM6s0oT68NBm_qWtIpzA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D5.723276542465641%26panoid%3D0ypM6s0oT68NBm_qWtIpzA%26yaw%3D212.99585843683613!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x487979a20d21a6d7:0xd2fb67709e32f324!8m2!3d53.3828218!4d-1.5068542!16s%2Fg%2F11s2jxb1hp?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTAwMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D



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Things like this always make me laugh. I was living on Crookes during the same time they were. Its like when I would see Russell on South Rd in Walkley when he lived down there in the early 90's.

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If you look back on the Google Streetview images, the earliest one still has the butcher's sign on the wall - I'm sure either Jarvis or Russell said something about how the flat was over a butcher's fridge so it was always incredibly cold. It's daft but I like seeing those little bits of background detail. Wish we had more pics of the Wicker building.

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If you look back on the Google Streetview images, the earliest one still has the butcher's sign on the wall - I'm sure either Jarvis or Russell said something about how the flat was over a butcher's fridge so it was always incredibly cold. It's daft but I like seeing those little bits of background detail. Wish we had more pics of the Wicker building.

 The interior of the Forge Dam cafe has changed beyond all recognition to the place described in Wickerman, even the child's toy horse ride has gone now. My photos are probably the only photos of the 'press in plastic letters on the price list' and the ride. I know things change but so much has changed since the 80's it's incredible. Even the things that replaced the old things have been replaced. 



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