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Re Sheff - Alex Turner's side-project, Last Shadow Puppets' last album contained a song called The Dream Synopsis that namechecks "Sheffield City Centre". Jarvis played it on his 6Music show and said something like "Hmm, he's managed to put Sheffield city centre in a chorus better than me!" or words to that effect.

Re supermarkets - the one in Common People is probably the most important one of all.

Re Seppy's obsession with moons, stars, suns and weather... did that Scott Walker mixtape given to JC in the late 80s predate the lyrics written for Separations? We might find out in Good Pop Bad Pop Part II. If they were, maybe this is a tenuous link but it's clear that by then Jarv had a new hero who sung beautifully of...

The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore
Turn Out The Moon (and the stars in the sky) -  the chorus music of Birds In Your Garden also seems to be lifted from the chorus on this a little*

It's Raining Today
Lost In The Stars
Sunshine/Ain't No Sunshine/Sundown/Walking in the Sun/Delta Dawn (all covers!)

to name but a few.

*Speaking of Walker lifts, one of my favourite songs of his is Always Coming Back To You from Scott 1 and the line "I kissed your eyes awake" from Birds In Your Garden is surely a (sub)conscious steal from "When you kissed my eyes awake" from this track.

Interestingly, the line "Now like children in the dark, we hold hands and watch the rain" on the same song sounds like it would fit perfectly on a ballad from Freaks. Or even as an addendum to the Freaks subtitle  "Ten stories about power, claustrophobia, suffocation and holding hands".



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Jarvis said the following in December 1994:

[Following the "Little Girl (With Blue Eyes)" single], "a Scott Walker for the 80s"! People said, "you'd like Scott Walker," but all I'd heard sounded like Tom Jones. It wasn't until 1987 when somebody gave me a tape of his proper solo albums that I understood his genius.

My guess is that he received the tape early in the year because the intro to "Rattlesnakes" (performed in March and recorded in July) is similar to Walker's "The Seventh Seal". It could be purely coincidental.

They didn't demo or record anything for "Separations" until 1989 though the bulk of it (including "She's Dead", a blatantly obvious attempt at a Walker style ballad) was performed in 1987 and 1988. So "Separations" was definitely the first album they recorded after Jarvis became fully aware of Scott Walker. 

Oh and by "sounded like Tom Jones", he must be referring to the "TV Series" album or some of the MOR covers he did in the early 1970s. 



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Good research and knowledge Clarky.

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Zhivago: Days out in the snow, they seem so long ago
Tina: Do you remember walking past me in the snow 14 years ago

I can't believe I didn't notice this before.

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Well the former is the epitome of an obscurity so don't berate yourself too much! I can't even think of how Zhivago goes like...from which gig recording did it surface?

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The Hallamshire Hotel on 28th February 1982

It is on YouTube:

Great song if you ask me, probably my favourite from 1982.



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Anorexic Beauty: "Brittle fingers and thin cigarettes, so hard to tell apart"
Lipgloss: "No wonder you're looking thin when all that you live on is lipgloss and cigarettes"

Jarvis made the following comments about "Lipgloss": "The title came from a story I heard about an anorexic girl who used to eat only lipgloss. And the rest of the song - about a girl who has her self-confidence bashed down by a bad relationship - is based on someone I knew. I think it's important to express these stories so that victims know they're not the only ones suffering."

They are most likely different girls so a very tenuous link between the two songs.



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Also, the lyrics were written by Dave Kurley and "sold" to Russell and Pulp! Not that this prevents "lore"-links, tenuous or otherwise.

Did Jarvis sing any Pulp songs that he didnt write lyrics for? Just the disturbing, "lewd" League Of Gentlemen-esque spoken word part in Fairground, maybe? Although the lyrics for that song is credited to Russell, that part does sound like Jarvis came up with it. Russell wasn't as mucky.

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I think Jarvis and Russell used to collaborate on lyrics a bit in the very early days. Maureen and Back in LA had been done by Russell in his earlier bands, and there was a very different version of Maureen on display at the Good Pop exhibition in London. And Little Girl too - I think in that case it was Jarvis' initial effort on display before Russell "toughened it up".

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I cant remember any mucky bits in Fairground, what have I missed?


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Ian wrote:

Zhivago: Days out in the snow, they seem so long ago
Tina: Do you remember walking past me in the snow 14 years ago

I can't believe I didn't notice this before.


 There's also 'You Are The One' as well:

"You sat next to me in the cinema, you walked past me in the snow"

There's also a link between that song and 'It's A Dirty World', too:

"I kissed you once by a cigarette machine as the club was about to close"

"With your back up against the cigarette machine, oh it's bad for your health if you know what I mean"

 

There are also quite a few references to the window incident throughout Pulp and Jarvis's discography:

"Somebody falls in love, Somebody falls from a window sill" - Tonite

"And I fell from a very high building, but I didn't feel a thing" - Didn't Feel a Thing

"I was shivering on crutches, more dead than alive, it was Christmas 1985" - Grown Ups

I'm sure there were more references, but I can't remember them at the moment.



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Maybe subconsciously, "You'll never watch your life slide out of view" !

Btw, what's Pulp WTL?

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