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Mark throws a hand-grenade at the Suede love-in like a boss biggrin

 

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Typical Brett but I'm with Mark. More is at least equal to Antidepressants and, in many ways, better. I'd hope there's room in this world for all kinds of excellence to happen.

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Typical Brett but I'm with Mark. More is at least equal to Antidepressants and, in many ways, better. I'd hope there's room in this world for all kinds of excellence to happen.

I havent heard the new album yet, but I think overall the suede comeback has been very impressive.  Hyperbole is essential to sell records, and suede have done it from the outset.  Aside from pulp, there are other bands from that generation still cutting the mustard.  Saw Ash last night with Graham Coxon turning up for the extended encore.  I may be wrong, but I believe they are the only band of that generation with the same original members who have never taken a hiatus

and probably the only band of that generation to have released 60 singles.



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this is hilarious.

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Saw Ash last night with Graham Coxon turning up for the extended encore.  I may be wrong, but I believe they are the only band of that generation with the same original members who have never taken a hiatus and probably the only band of that generation to have released 60 singles.

 

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I feel bad for Pulp Europeans, they're probably more popular on the continent but unlikely to get summat like this:

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The British tour is like that as well. Lots of 'off the tour grid' towns being visited. The Sheffield gig is at the Octagon, capacity 1800, where I saw Pulp in 1994!

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Our boys and girl have never liked the long grind of touring. With an extended band now and the costs involved, it's even less likely. Fewer shows but bigger venues and high production values is Pulp now.

I guess a defining difference between Pulp and Suede/Blur/Manics is that apart from the new stripped-down version of Something Changed, Pulp never perform as the core group anymore and haven't done since...2002? Even allowing for no Steve on bass, Candida's physical limitations - plus her, Mark and Jarvis' musical limitations generally(!) and Pulp using quite a few overdubs on record mean that an extended line-up is necessary.



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The British tour is like that as well. Lots of 'off the tour grid' towns being visited. The Sheffield gig is at the Octagon, capacity 1800, where I saw Pulp in 1994!

 

Sheffield Academy is closed because of RAAC concrete, so Octagon is the biggest venue in the city at the moment after the Arena.  It's a much better venue than the Academy too. 

 

Pulp played there in 2001 too (which I was at!)



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Our boys and girl have never liked the long grind of touring. With an extended band now and the costs involved, it's even less likely. Fewer shows but bigger venues and high production values is Pulp now.

I guess a defining difference between Pulp and Suede/Blur/Manics is that apart from the new stripped-down version of Something Changed, Pulp never perform as the core group anymore and haven't done since...2002? Even allowing for no Steve on bass, Candida's physical limitations - plus her, Mark and Jarvis' musical limitations generally(!) and Pulp using quite a few overdubs on record mean that an extended line-up is necessary.

 I know it will never happen and tbh I love the actual show Pulp put on. They always wanted to put on a show and now they can. The staging for some of the songs (I'm looking at you TIH) is just perfect. 



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Saw Ash last night with Graham Coxon turning up for the extended encore.  I may be wrong, but I believe they are the only band of that generation with the same original members who have never taken a hiatus and probably the only band of that generation to have released 60 singles.

 

Manics too

I guess Richey Edwards joined later.  Easier with a three piece, I guess.



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The British tour is like that as well. Lots of 'off the tour grid' towns being visited. The Sheffield gig is at the Octagon, capacity 1800, where I saw Pulp in 1994!

 

Sheffield Academy is closed because of RAAC concrete, so Octagon is the biggest venue in the city at the moment after the Arena.  It's a much better venue than the Academy too. 

 

Pulp played there in 2001 too (which I was at!)

 The last time Suede played here must have been one of thd last shows at the O2 before it closed. Brett mentioned the Octagon at that gig. I really like the Octagon and saw some great gigs there in the early mid 90's so I'm really glad it's been chosen.



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The British tour is like that as well. Lots of 'off the tour grid' towns being visited. The Sheffield gig is at the Octagon, capacity 1800, where I saw Pulp in 1994!

 Yes, no London dates, but bit greedy of us wanting more with the Southbank take over.  I am doing Saturday night (when else) and next Friday.



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Jarv has done the Octagon in recent years hasn't he ?

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Jarv has done the Octagon in recent years hasn't he ?

 Yes he has in 2021 after covid. Was a great show with Hawley on guitar for C***s and MLG for encore.



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I guess a defining difference between Pulp and Suede/Blur/Manics is that apart from the new stripped-down version of Something Changed, Pulp never perform as the core group anymore and haven't done since...2002? 

 

 Richard Hawley was playing on tour with Pulp in 2001.  Well he did at Brixton.   I don't know about subsequently in 2002 as I didn't see Pulp again until they turned up at Hyde Park in 2011 when they had Leo Abrahams. The last time I saw Pulp with no one else on stage must have been 1995. Even in 1994, Mark wasn't a member of the band.

Manic Street Preachers have a couple of touring members.  Haven't seen blur live since the end of the last century, so no idea about them. Suede are suede.  No one extra. Ditto Ash



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Typical Brett but I'm with Mark. More is at least equal to Antidepressants and, in many ways, better. I'd hope there's room in this world for all kinds of excellence to happen.

I havent heard the new album yet, but I think overall the suede comeback has been very impressive.  Hyperbole is essential to sell records, and suede have done it from the outset.  Aside from pulp, there are other bands from that generation still cutting the mustard.  Saw Ash last night with Graham Coxon turning up for the extended encore.  I may be wrong, but I believe they are the only band of that generation with the same original members who have never taken a hiatus

and probably the only band of that generation to have released 60 singles.

 

Not sure if this counts but didn't Ash have a female guitar player that joined and left in the late 1990s. I have seen them live before and they were great. I'm not sure about the new material just yet but hopefully everything will work better on the album. I liked the idea of releasing 26 singles one after the other, essentially 2 albums worth of material and most of them were great. 

 

Anyway, the Suede album has entered the charts at number 2.



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It sold 16k physical copies, a fair bit less than More (closer to 30k) but it's the highest opening week sales of their 5 post-reunion records to date which is impressive.

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Typical Brett but I'm with Mark. More is at least equal to Antidepressants and, in many ways, better. I'd hope there's room in this world for all kinds of excellence to happen.

I havent heard the new album yet, but I think overall the suede comeback has been very impressive.  Hyperbole is essential to sell records, and suede have done it from the outset.  Aside from pulp, there are other bands from that generation still cutting the mustard.  Saw Ash last night with Graham Coxon turning up for the extended encore.  I may be wrong, but I believe they are the only band of that generation with the same original members who have never taken a hiatus

and probably the only band of that generation to have released 60 singles.

 Not sure if this counts but didn't Ash have a female guitar player that joined and left in the late 1990s. I have seen them live before and they were great. I'm not sure about the new material just yet but hopefully everything will work better on the album. I liked the idea of releasing 26 singles one after the other, essentially 2 albums worth of material and most of them were great. 

Yes, Charlotte Hatherley, played with Ash for a decade, but the rationale was to enhance their live performances as Tim Wheeler was putting multiple guitar tracks on recordings that couldnt be replicated live.  No idea why she left, but there was no animosity as she has played with Ash live in recent years.

I think releasing single after single is a great idea. And there are some gems.  I just wish I had bought them.



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Having seen suede last night, I can see where they are coming from. They were superb despite not playing a single song from Dog Man Star and excluding Saturday Night on a Saturday night.  Only 7 of the 23 songs played were from the 1990s. So good, I bought another couple of tickets for this evening half way through the show.



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It certainly looks like an interesting setlist. "Crackhead" is a great B-side which I think would work well live. "Killing of a Flashboy" is from the "Dog Man Star" era as it was a B-side to "We Are the Pigs" but it wasn't on the album itself. "Personality Disorder" and "Shadow Self" are fantastic live songs from their previous album. 

I didn't buy the 26 Ash singles individually but I did buy the 2 compilations that followed, it looks like some of the singles and the compilations are still for sale on the Ash website. 



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I didn't buy the 26 Ash singles individually but I did buy the 2 compilations that followed, it looks like some of the singles and the compilations are still for sale on the Ash website. 

 Thanks for that info, I just purchased 8 of the singles.  Another 18 to find smile



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It certainly looks like an interesting setlist. "Crackhead" is a great B-side which I think would work well live. "Killing of a Flashboy" is from the "Dog Man Star" era as it was a B-side to "We Are the Pigs" but it wasn't on the album itself. "Personality Disorder" and "Shadow Self" are fantastic live songs from their previous album. 

The second night started and ended much the same as the first, but it was all shuffled around in the middle.  Asphalt World a real high point tonight, I dont think I have heard that live since 1995.   Now maybe pulp might consider a Southbank take over in 2026.  Unfortunately, I have to sell my tickets for next Friday, but they were the two best gigs I have seen this year. (May be blasphemy in these parts, but better than pulp at O2).  Sssh, dont tell Mark.



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It certainly looks like an interesting setlist. "Crackhead" is a great B-side which I think would work well live. "Killing of a Flashboy" is from the "Dog Man Star" era as it was a B-side to "We Are the Pigs" but it wasn't on the album itself. "Personality Disorder" and "Shadow Self" are fantastic live songs from their previous album. 

The second night started and ended much the same as the first, but it was all shuffled around in the middle.  Asphalt World a real high point tonight, I dont think I have heard that live since 1995.   Now maybe pulp might consider a Southbank take over in 2026.  Unfortunately, I have to sell my tickets for next Friday, but they were the two best gigs I have seen this year. (May be blasphemy in these parts, but better than pulp at O2).  Sssh, dont tell Mark.

I have just watched "The Asphalt World" on YouTube and it seems to work really well in piano ballad form but I have never seen them play the full band version including the lengthy instrumental. That's on my wishlist for when I see them next year. 



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Can't see them playing the full track again unless they do another Dog Man Star live show.

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