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Nice review here:

www.uncut.co.uk/reviews/reviewed-pulp-the-o2-london-june-13-2025-150109/">www.uncut.co.uk/reviews/reviewed-pulp-the-o2-london-june-13-2025-150109/

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Agree with other comments on OU - I think the performance last night on that song was the strongest Ive heard them play and it really kicked.



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Enjoyed Jarvis sharing that he had trained his voice to reach the pitch of the original songs. Commitment there to the (dignity of the?) material and the craft, and I suppose a (the?) difference between Pulp as a going concern and other bands trying to fill the pension pot. It suggests too that - since the new songs are written to suit his present range - if Pulp keep writing so well and touring, some songs could be abandoned rather than compromised. Not all I wouldnt think - theyd surely never drop CP, D2000, DYRTFT or Babies for instance - but perhaps some.

Dont wish to be mean to any other bands saying that of course. Pulp do things differently, which is why we love them so much



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Enjoyed Jarvis sharing that he had trained his voice to reach the pitch of the original songs. Commitment there to the (dignity of?) the material and the craft, and I suppose a (the?) difference between Pulp as a going concern and other bands trying to fill the pension pot. It suggests too that - since the new songs are written to suit his present range - if Pulp keep writing so well and touring, some songs could be abandoned rather than compromised. Not all I wouldnt think - theyd surely never drop CP, D2000, DYRTFT or Babies for instance - but perhaps some.

Dont wish to be mean to any other bands saying that of course. Pulp do things differently, which is why we love them so much

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I know they popped up at the start of the song, and are (I guess) supposed to be personal demons, but I did laugh when the ghosties popped up at the end of The Fear when C*#ker was doing his ooooooh-oooooooh-ooooooh part, like proper ghosts doing their sound. Coming on 30 years, still my favourite song!

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Cressida Doyle! Could have been worse, don't be a cressida dick...

www.theartsdesk.com/new-music/pulp-o2-arena-review-common-people-us



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You can understand that theyd want to limit the number of slower songs, but My Sex seems a no-brainer. Id go as far to call it a shock omission.


(I am easily shocked)

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And a blank canvas to start from when it comes to adding a visual...


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Dont know if that makes sense, but the violin woman plays violin like a violonist when Russell used to play it like a guitarist.

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Please, her name is Emma and she's part of the Pulp family now.

But please expand on your theory. You mean Russell was technically dodgy so he had to find different ways of being effective?

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I was closer to the front than I usually am at Pulp gigs for this one, I watched Candida a lot and her singing along to the ooh ooh ooh oohs in Disco 2000 was just lovely.



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Mark and Candida singing quietly along to A Sunset was so frickin' cute.



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Eamonn wrote:

Please, her name is Emma and she's part of the Pulp family now.

But please expand on your theory. You mean Russell was technically dodgy so he had to find different ways of being effective?

 That doesn't have to be casting aspersions on Russell's violin playing. I am not musically literate, so this will be a bit garbled, but my husband, who is extremely musically literate, has said that a person's main instrument affects the way they approach other instruments, so a drummer picking up a guitar will approach it differently from someone who learns it from scratch, or a keyboard player. Maybe like with spoken languages, even fluent people with different first languages speak English a bit differently from each other. Although, I have no idea what Russell learned first.



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Fran wrote:
Eamonn wrote:

Please, her name is Emma and she's part of the Pulp family now.

But please expand on your theory. You mean Russell was technically dodgy so he had to find different ways of being effective?

 That doesn't have to be casting aspersions on Russell's violin playing. I am not musically literate, so this will be a bit garbled, but my husband, who is extremely musically literate, has said that a person's main instrument affects the way they approach other instruments, so a drummer picking up a guitar will approach it differently from someone who learns it from scratch, or a keyboard player. Maybe like with spoken languages, even fluent people with different first languages speak English a bit differently from each other. Although, I have no idea what Russell learned first.



-- Edited by Fran on Monday 16th of June 2025 07:30:27 PM

 

(Well first i dont know the names of the "new" members, so sorry about that ! )

It's more or less that yes. And also because she is not an "official" member so those musicians (touring musicians or whatever you wanna call them) as a whole (not just her) tend to play the safest way, and i feel it's transposed in the overall sound of the band. But that's the way it is, they can't go crazy like Russell did. On the other tours, there was no violin anymore, so there was no comparison to be made. 

Russell had a very unique violin style, I remember being stuck by the sound on the brixton video that i bought in 96. I don't know how he learnt it, but to me it was not very academic. And it produced that very peculiar sometimes agressive sound but not in a classical way, that made you think immediately "that's Russell". 

Don't know if that make sense, but Pulp sound more "professional" as a whole. They sound tight and very good, but less "crazy" without Steve and Russell. 



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Thanks for that explanation, Andy, and, Fran, your post is really interesting too. I have to say I do love when people who aren't musically trained put together chords and notes that maybe shouldn't go together. If you don't know the rules you don't know what should go with what and I remember Jarvis saying it was pot luck regards what the next chord would be when writing something. You have to go by what you think sounds good.

I play drums but wrote a few songs so had to try teach myself a bit on piano and the others in the band were laughing at the chords I put together because they shouldn't go together but yet did sound nice. They're not trained either but there is some sort of method you can use. I did read a lot about how if you've used such and such in a verse then there's particular chords that might work in a chorus. Didn't Nick play some chord for Babies that Jarvis was saying he wouldn't have thought to put there. Interesting. I always think John Deacon from Queen sounds like he's playing the bass as a more melodious instrument but he probably did learn guitar first. Makes sense.

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Yeah Jean there are two types of musicians, and i'm always amazed how "trained" musicians can't play anything without a sheet in front of them. It's like a different kind of way of playing music. I usually look at chords vaguely and then go for it. I just can't follow a sheet, it's very limitating for me. And i cant read music either

I suppose Russell, Jarvis and Steve and the other Pulp members are kinda like that. But the other can't be. They have a "job" when the other 4 play as a band. It's more liberating, so it's not being harsh on the other. It's just the way it is.

PS: Jean, so tell them you're playing piano the Jazz way biggrin



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A very free form jazz style from anecdotal evidence, Andy, I think you're right that it's more liberating. I know others who have played in bands with trained musicians and it does sound like it can be a bit restricting. I suppose when you know the rules you have to think more deliberately how to break them. If you don't even know them in the first place it's easier in one way but harder to get started with a song sometimes and then, yeah, if you're not hired as a session musician you can be more free I guess.

The nearest thing I've had experience with is playing in a covers band. I literally only sub in for people if they're desperate and I hate it. It's so restricting playing what someone else came up with because it sometimes doesn't make sense to you. With originals it's less obvious when you mess up and you play something that makes sense to you because you came up with it. You put something to the song in the way you hear it. And no one is the boss either. No one is going to tell the other person what to play because none of us can really play in the official sense I like that about bands as opposed to solo projects. Having said all of that there's absolutely no taking away from how excellent this incarnation sounds. I really like what Emma does on the violin. Can really hear it coming through on various songs. I do sometimes wonder what Steve or Russell would've played.

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And also Russell's violin always seemed a bit out of tune to me, like if someone just picked up and played it. I dont know, it added a dimension to the violin parts. Like in Have you seen her lately. It's a very strange violin.

Was he placing his fingers inbetween two notes or something, i dont know 



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Enjoyed reading the discussion of Russell's violin style. Personally I really like it - can see why some people don't but for me, there's just something about the wonky, occasionally jarring strangeness that he added. Obviously untutored but always thoughtful - it always felt like he'd given serious consideration to what he could best add to the song to make it more interesting, or more exciting, or just take the mood somewhere. Which in his untutored way, I think he almost always did.

For what it's worth I think he was fully self-taught on violin, and only picked it up after he'd joined Pulp. I couldn't swear to it but I think he just found the violin in the back of the practice room. Tony Perrin told me that in the early days, they talked about Russ getting some lessons, but he declined, saying he was worried about getting too good!

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Jarvis sounds great in Party Hard, I will go to YouTube for more songs. Whats so funny to me is Jarvis always has some treats in his pocket to share to the crowd

Also, in som Instagram posts, the O2 first night was filmed. Anybody know what is it? Are we expecting some news?

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It's really very impressive to think that he performed the violin solo on Separations (the song) without any formal training.

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I do wonder what he might have added to the Hardcore material. He seemed to have a producer in Chris Thomas who respected his idiosyncrasies and was able to harness them on Different Class.

I don't think he would have let I'm A Man or Grown Ups chug so much on guitar (sorry Mark!). Then again, he likely wouldn't have had the chops for the solo on Dishes, the climax on Hardcore and the histrionics on Sylvia.

God knows what he would have added on violin. That he tried to sabotage Help The Aged is quite amusing.

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weej wrote:

It's really very impressive to think that he performed the violin solo on Separations (the song) without any formal training.

 

Well when you think of it guitar and violin are not that different. Sure there's the archer to manage, but it can be done in a few weeks i'd say. Moving the fingers is then like soloing on guitar. I do think his "out of tune" sound comes from the fact that he did not get lesson. That's usually the sound you get when you start, that crying cat sound biggrin. Somehow he managed to make it sound right. 

As for TIH, i'm kinda glad he's not on it. Or at least his violin, it was a welcoming change of sound. But he was also a very gifted guitarist, so maybe he would have added something different with the 6 strings.



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He was more comfortable on guitar than violin but I don't think he was a gifted guitarist at all, not compared to his contemporaries (Butler being the most impressive, Coxon next, Gallagher last).

But he came up with guitar lines that were not obvious and not "rawk cliché". Often quite simple but he'd surprise you with something quite impressive like the glorious last minute of Lipgloss.

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