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Well done kids, we did it.

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so happy for them, well deserved

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YES! Brilliant

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Shouldn't mean owt, should it? But... get in there.



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I'm so happy for the band, particularly as the album is a tribute to Steve.

It is a brilliant album and will age like a fine wine, I'm sure.

Congratulations... yay

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Shouldn't mean owt, should it? But... get in there.



Exactly how I feel, I hope they're very proud and pleased!

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Ste wrote:

Exactly how I feel, I hope they're very proud and pleased!


Sounds like Jarvis is, from his insta:

More has entered the Official UK Albums Chart at NUMBER 1!!!! OMG!

Don't know if we're allowed to post instagram links here? There's a picture of a metal award for getting to number 1 - had no idea they did that.

There's also a pic on instagram of Slow Jam beer, from 'beerwax_' . I'm quite naiive, and new to social media just this year, so have no idea if such things are real?



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inspirit wrote:
Ste wrote:

Exactly how I feel, I hope they're very proud and pleased!


Sounds like Jarvis is, from his insta:

More has entered the Official UK Albums Chart at NUMBER 1!!!! OMG!

Don't know if we're allowed to post instagram links here? There's a picture of a metal award for getting to number 1 - had no idea they did that.

There's also a pic on instagram of Slow Jam beer, from 'beerwax_' . I'm quite naiive, and new to social media just this year, so have no idea if such things are real?


 



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Thanks Fran. Candida and Mark look better in the Pulp4 shot (I bet this ends up massive instead of thumbnail, tech-primitive here).



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No matter what position on the chart, it doesnt change my love to Pulp and this album. But I had a big smile on my face this afternoon. So happy.

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No. 33 on the Australian charts as well... https://www.aria.com.au/charts/albums-chart/2025-06-16

 



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Article is paywalled but the free bit gives the sales breakdown (from Music Week).

Charts analysis: Pulp's comeback album delivers first No.1 in 27 years

by Alan Jones
Friday, Jun 13th 2025 at 6:15PM

27 is the magic number this week, with the 27th change in leadership of the album chart in as many weeks bringing Pulps first No.1 in 27 years, More.

Pulps first album of new material since 2001, when We Love Life debuted and peaked at No.6 on sales of 24,175 copies, More exceeds that figure by 23.88%, with first week consumption of 29,948 units (7,898 CDs, 14,375 vinyl albums, 255 cassettes, 5,326 digital downloads and 2,094 sales equivalent streams).

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Vinyl outselling CDs by 2 to 1 in the year 2025, imagine telling that to someone in the 90s/00s.

Nice to see cassettes still count!

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Ah, interesting to see the WLL opening week's sales figures as I've always wondered. That must have been a real disappointment at the time.

Did think that More's figures might be similar but obviously it's almost a quarter of a century later with less music consumption that translates into sales so of course it's a much better result. 30k consolidated sales is an impressive result. I wonder could it get to 100k around the world by the end of the year.

Nice to see that it's gone in at number 6 in Ireland. Helped by the Dublin gig too, I imagine.
From memory, WLL was way further back.


More only got to number 70 in the UK charts in streaming which is interesting. Physical sales are the main driver but more people stream so More is unlikely to have much staying power.
1,000 streams are equal to 1 album sale so the total number of times a More track was streamed last week was... (2,094 x 1000) over two million! Seems like a lot. But in context not particularly, as none of the tracks are in the Top 100 streaming singles chart.

They down-weight the two most popular tracks streamed on an album so that it better reflects the album charts. That might explain why Addison Rae, who got to number two in the album charts, was less of a threat despite having a couple of tracks in the singles chart.



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One other observation, I do wonder how many customers make up the sales of the physical album. Some of us have bought multiple copies due to all the vinyl variants etc. That wasn't really a thing in 2001. So less people may actually have bought More.

Also, I'm surprised paid-downloads are still a thing. Would you not just stream it on your phone/computer? Presume it must be people who don't have Spotify/AppleMusic etc.

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Yeah, was wondering the same about how many people bought a few copies. In a moment of madness after the gig i thought I'd buy another copy so i ended up buying a vinyl record despite only needing a CD. I don't even have a record player but i really thought I'd win the euromillions this week! Then I forgot I probably wasn't even helping because I'm in Ireland! How does that work if you order a record say from their official shop which I guess is UK but you're not in the UK. Its a UK sale then is it?
Bought the CD in a bricks and mortar shop here.
Can't remember how many copies WLL sold but I do remember looking it.
Really impressive physical sales figures. Very happy for them. And for us having a great album to listen to.

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One other observation, I do wonder how many customers make up the sales of the physical album. Some of us have bought multiple copies due to all the vinyl variants etc. That wasn't really a thing in 2001. So less people may actually have bought More.

Also, I'm surprised paid-downloads are still a thing. Would you not just stream it on your phone/computer? Presume it must be people who don't have Spotify/AppleMusic etc.


I saw a bit of a rant from, I think, Andrew McKinney, though I can't find it to link to. He was encouraging people to buy physical copies or downloads on places like Bandcamp, even if you would never listen to them or didn't own a record player and would only stream them, as musician's income from streaming is so pathetic.



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The fact a search for Pulp on eBay now reveals a stack of band-related postings rather than Pulp Fiction tat is as telling as the chart placing that things are afoot

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I saw a bit of a rant from, I think, Andrew McKinney, though I can't find it to link to. He was encouraging people to buy physical copies or downloads on places like Bandcamp, even if you would never listen to them or didn't own a record player and would only stream them, as musician's income from streaming is so pathetic.


 Presumably bigger acts like Pulp (though it's a lot of shares now) would do okay, given a larger volume, but even so the share of streaming income is manifestly unfair. For smaller acts it's insupportable - it'll kill it as a way of life, it'll end up like acting where only toffs and nepo-kids can follow a career. Then you end up with a narrow range of talent and experience, and all culture suffers for it.

Streaming doesn't work for me - other than messing about on youtube - so I'm not a customer anyway, but I'm increasingly feeling that its just unethical to stream. There should be some sort of mass action, from artists and labels and what used to be called the music industry to stop these tech companies doing what they are doing; they're parasites, vampires.

When I can I like to buy my physical stuff from artists webstores, or from gigs. CDs are often more expensive, usually about £10, but that used to be the cheapest you could get a new CD for 30 years ago, so even that must generate only a modest income. There are plenty of people without a hi-fi buy physical albums, and that's good, it supports the creators, and they are often attractive as objects. Yet, it's also a bit wasteful of material / energy in a world where we waste a lot; so it would be better if streaming was made MUCH MORE equitable for creators, as even if the tech corporations took a much smaller share of each pie, they're still eating part of all the pies anyway. Effing fat b*stards.



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The thing is streaming stopped illegal file-sharing so it was the better of two evils and with the subscription model, Spotify etc all could say that they were stopping blatant piracy and still giving artist a share (ie a crumb).

And the record labels were given big chunky up-front payments from streaming companies for the rights to their catalogues and retainers for recurring income on the monthly subscriptions paid by users. Partly why Spotify were (are?) loss-making for so long.

A more ethical place like Bandcamp with more backing and awareness behind it would help but as its mostly for independent and DIY artists, and tries to give as much money as possible to those people, the majors would have little incentive to support such a platform.



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More gets to Number 9 in Germany: https://www.offiziellecharts.de/charts/album I wonder how many sales.

In Spain's Apple charts, not sure how reflective that is of national charts, More is 47. I would expect higher, Spain loves Pulp more than most European countries, right?

https://kworb.net/charts/apple_a/es.html

I think France's chart straddles midweeks, so More may not appear til next week.



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I will not do streaming, not just because it's bad for musicians but because it hands control of my music collection to an utterly repugnant company who may decide to remove something, switch it for another version or use mastering I don't like. Everything in the last 15 years has been a step away from MP3s/FLACs - but I still use them, and I know many other people who do too.

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It takes 5000 streams for a band to earn as much as the sale of one t-shirt. Merch is the only way to financially support bands these days.

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I always think there's going to be an Internet blackout sometime and then what are you gonna do if you've no CDs or records. Better off having your CD player and loads of batteries. I'm only half joking. I always feel safer having the actual physical thing. It feels like the difference between renting and owning for me. They could just take the back catalogue away from you any time but not if you own the physical thing. And also just ethically I like to think the artist is getting more money.
I know I probably just have a rubbish little speaker (I won a little jbl speaker in a raffle so use that to listen to stuff on YouTube till I can buy the cd) but CD always sounds so much better to me.
I'm with Noel Gallagher on what he's said a few times about how people will spend money on fancy coffees but not an album when an album could change your outlook and your whole life.
Agree with inspirit above, it's mad how cheap music is to buy now compared to years ago so you'd wonder what they're even making off that.

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