I hope that nobody here lives in S****horpe.

Without paying for the forum, there is no way that we can switch the profanity filter off. Seems a bit odd to have something like that as a premium feature.

23,600 sales as of tonight, apparently outselling the rest of the top five put together!

Yep looking out for it on aus charts. This has to be one of my fav websites if you want to have a look. Like a Power BI dashboard sucking in Pulp data.

Ah no! I'd just woke up & totally messed that up! 

I've been back to edit the figures :) 

And the takings were down by at least a third, as far as Universal were concerned ! All that swanky studio time to be paid for (ie Roger Taylor from Queen's manor) ....yikes.

The band being half-arsed in helping may also have contributed.

And Pulp made it hard for them in fairness. There was no obvious single to sell WLL, sadly. Two years racking-up studio bills for a second time in a row...no new contract or album deal for you misshapes. You can see why a new corporate team of decision-makers once Universal took over, acted in that way.

I remember hearing Trees being played on Radio 1 for the first time and feeling rather underwhelmed at first. Of course I later warmed to it and it soon became a fave, but it certainly wasn't as immediate as other songs.

Weeds
Minnie
even Birds (mellow but catchy at least)
BCV as a first single rather than an after-the-horse-has-bolted last gasp.

All of those would've made more sense than Trees/Sunrise for me. Ultimately though, would it have made any difference? Looking back (and especially thanks to the insights in Mark and Nick's books) they were clearly done with it all by 2001/02, and I can't imagine a couple of higher chart placings making much difference to that.

It's a shame they weren't able to catch the wave they were on in 1999, when most of those songs were written. Bit like how Freaks would probably have been more exciting if they'd made it in 1984 rather than 1986. But I digress...

Not sure to when this was i.e end of Tuesday or sometime today:


Pulp could secure No.1 with eighth studio album More
by MusicWeek Staff
Wednesday, Jun 11th 2025 at 6:00PM

Pulp continue to lead the way in the albums chart this week with their eighth studio album More, which has accumulated 26,966 sales so far. Of that total sales figure, 20,414 units account for its physical release, whilst downloads make up 5,187 and streams account for 1,365.

Little Simz holds second place with Lotus, which has 12,105 sales so far, whilst Addison Raes self-titled debut LP has 10,653 sales at No.3. Sabrina Carpenter has returned to the Top 5 at ...

lipglossed wrote:

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'Sunrise' has a hook though. First time I'd ever heard it, I was sure I recognised it.

It should've been released as a single in 2000. And 'Minnie' sounds so much more like a single than anything else Pulp released between 'Help the Aged' and 'Spike Island' (except for maybe 'Party Hard').

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"Sunrise" really got people's attention in 2000. By the time it was actually released, the novelty had worn off. I don't think that "We Love Life" has anything that could have been a huge hit. In fact, they abandoned two songs at the time that easily fit this description (After You and Got to Have Love). That said, "Weeds" would have probably been a decent enough comeback single. I don't believe that the top 10 was completely out of reach in 2001. 

I think that Island/Universal were chasing hits and to be fair, they did seem to make a lot of effort with Pulp prior to "We Love Life" (for example, "Sorted For E's and Wizz" as a single, the "This is Hardcore" video). When the band left them in 2002, they said it was because they had been offered a "much reduced" record deal. If there were more hits, they may have signed a single album deal and got something out a year or so later. Jarvis did say that they started writing new songs immediately after "We Love Life" was released so we may have got another album.   

lipglossed wrote:

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'Sunrise' has a hook though. First time I'd ever heard it, I was sure I recognised it.

It should've been released as a single in 2000. And 'Minnie' sounds so much more like a single than anything else Pulp released between 'Help the Aged' and 'Spike Island' (except for maybe 'Party Hard').

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Sorry to disagree! XD Leaving aside the fact that "The Night That Minnie..." is possibly the only Pulp song I truly hate, I don't think it's a song that has any commercial radio play. Not to mention how poorly the song's melody fits with its subject matter: a girl murdered by a guy who invites her into his van. I don´t see it suceeding, tbh.  For me it's a failed song, but of course i know its only my opinion (I've noticed many people here seems to  dislike "TV Movie" which is one of my fav Pulp songs ever, so i might be wrong...)

https://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/pulp-more-number-1-album/

Well done kids, we did it.

YES! Brilliant

I'm so happy for the band, particularly as the album is a tribute to Steve.

It is a brilliant album and will age like a fine wine, I'm sure.

Congratulations... yay

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Exactly how I feel, I hope they're very proud and pleased!

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Sounds like Jarvis is, from his insta:

More has entered the Official UK Albums Chart at NUMBER 1!!!! OMG!

Don't know if we're allowed to post instagram links here? There's a picture of a metal award for getting to number 1 - had no idea they did that.

There's also a pic on instagram of Slow Jam beer, from 'beerwax_' . I'm quite naiive, and new to social media just this year, so have no idea if such things are real?

Thanks Fran. Candida and Mark look better in the Pulp4 shot (I bet this ends up massive instead of thumbnail, tech-primitive here).

No. 33 on the Australian charts as well... https://www.aria.com.au/charts/albums-chart/2025-06-16

 

Vinyl outselling CDs by 2 to 1 in the year 2025, imagine telling that to someone in the 90s/00s.

Nice to see cassettes still count!

One other observation, I do wonder how many customers make up the sales of the physical album. Some of us have bought multiple copies due to all the vinyl variants etc. That wasn't really a thing in 2001. So less people may actually have bought More.

Also, I'm surprised paid-downloads are still a thing. Would you not just stream it on your phone/computer? Presume it must be people who don't have Spotify/AppleMusic etc.

Yeah, was wondering the same about how many people bought a few copies. In a moment of madness after the gig i thought I'd buy another copy so i ended up buying a vinyl record despite only needing a CD. I don't even have a record player but i really thought I'd win the euromillions this week! Then I forgot I probably wasn't even helping because I'm in Ireland! How does that work if you order a record say from their official shop which I guess is UK but you're not in the UK. Its a UK sale then is it?
Bought the CD in a bricks and mortar shop here.
Can't remember how many copies WLL sold but I do remember looking it.
Really impressive physical sales figures. Very happy for them. And for us having a great album to listen to.

The fact a search for Pulp on eBay now reveals a stack of band-related postings rather than Pulp Fiction tat is as telling as the chart placing that things are afoot

The thing is streaming stopped illegal file-sharing so it was the better of two evils and with the subscription model, Spotify etc all could say that they were stopping blatant piracy and still giving artist a share (ie a crumb).

And the record labels were given big chunky up-front payments from streaming companies for the rights to their catalogues and retainers for recurring income on the monthly subscriptions paid by users. Partly why Spotify were (are?) loss-making for so long.

A more ethical place like Bandcamp with more backing and awareness behind it would help but as its mostly for independent and DIY artists, and tries to give as much money as possible to those people, the majors would have little incentive to support such a platform.

-- Edited by Eamonn on Sunday 15th of June 2025 03:19:33 PM

I will not do streaming, not just because it's bad for musicians but because it hands control of my music collection to an utterly repugnant company who may decide to remove something, switch it for another version or use mastering I don't like. Everything in the last 15 years has been a step away from MP3s/FLACs - but I still use them, and I know many other people who do too.

I always think there's going to be an Internet blackout sometime and then what are you gonna do if you've no CDs or records. Better off having your CD player and loads of batteries. I'm only half joking. I always feel safer having the actual physical thing. It feels like the difference between renting and owning for me. They could just take the back catalogue away from you any time but not if you own the physical thing. And also just ethically I like to think the artist is getting more money.
I know I probably just have a rubbish little speaker (I won a little jbl speaker in a raffle so use that to listen to stuff on YouTube till I can buy the cd) but CD always sounds so much better to me.
I'm with Noel Gallagher on what he's said a few times about how people will spend money on fancy coffees but not an album when an album could change your outlook and your whole life.
Agree with inspirit above, it's mad how cheap music is to buy now compared to years ago so you'd wonder what they're even making off that.

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I always think there's going to be an Internet blackout sometime and then what are you gonna do if you've no CDs or records. Better off having your CD player and loads of batteries. I'm only half joking. I always feel safer having the actual physical thing. It feels like the difference between renting and owning for me. They could just take the back catalogue away from you any time but not if you own the physical thing. And also just ethically I like to think the artist is getting more money.
I know I probably just have a rubbish little speaker (I won a little jbl speaker in a raffle so use that to listen to stuff on YouTube till I can buy the cd) but CD always sounds so much better to me.
I'm with Noel Gallagher on what he's said a few times about how people will spend money on fancy coffees but not an album when an album could change your outlook and your whole life.
Agree with inspirit above, it's mad how cheap music is to buy now compared to years ago so you'd wonder what they're even making off that.

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 I agree 100% with you. I never listen to music online. I will always prefer CD, then lossless downloads and finally illegal lossless downloads... 

Venga!

They have enough new material to start on another album. I think Jarvis and Nick will have the hunger to go again after the touring for More ends but will Candida and Mark want to carry on...?

They did 20 songs for More and obvs have old Jarv Is and Pulp material as well Im sure so plenty to be getting on with.

Candida doesn't seem the sort of person that would object to the other three carrying on without her if she wanted out (we know she had thoughts about leaving even in the mid-90s). The transition would be easier with a larger group of musicians, of course. Let's hope they're all enjoying it enough to consider another year or two.

Aw, no, when did she say that? Did I miss that in that Acrylic Afternoons interview? I know when you look back through the history Pulp has had so many different members but it'd be sad to see her go. That always feels sad seeing the 4 people now. I'm so happy we still have the 4 but I suppose I'll always remember them as 6 because that was that era when I first became aware of them. 
Yes, please to the WLL stuff! I would love to hear Cuckoo cleaned up. My Mistake could be fleshed out a bit and Grandfather's Nursery is perfect as is!

-- Edited by Jean on Monday 16th of June 2025 10:40:35 PM

I guess I read that as a bit tongue in cheek but you never know.

More is at number 4 in the midweeks which is really impressive! It will likely drop but two weeks in the Top Ten or even Top Twenty would be a strong result if you take into account how new albums from non-commercial acts tend to disappear after week one.

I guess it helps that they are on tour and will have played to over 50,000 people by Friday, some of whom will buy the album having seen the show.

Not on Canadian chart, sad. :(

For the USA chart, I found them on Vinyl Albums Chart at #8; Indie Store Album Sales at #3. But not on the Billboard 200.

www.billboard.com/charts/vinyl-albums/
www.billboard.com/charts/indie-store-album-sales/

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Not on Canadian chart, sad. :(

For the USA chart, I found them on Vinyl Albums Chart at #8; Indie Store Album Sales at #3. But not on the Billboard 200.

www.billboard.com/charts/vinyl-albums/
www.billboard.com/charts/indie-store-album-sales/

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Are physical sales weighted-less in the US than the UK? They must be with those results. Curious as to how many physical copies sold in America last week. Can anyone get the data?

More is down to number 5 in the UK album charts. That means a likely 10k-15k sales in week two which is really impressive. Already likely to top We Love Life's total sales, over the summer.

Number 12 in the album chart update.

Some replies to some quotes...

CDs/online? I can't remember the last time I played a CD, other than the Pulp Mojo one. Everything else is Spotify/Bandcamp/nicked from Soulseek.

More in the charts. No. 5 in the second week. Did not expect anything that high in the charts. Amazing sustaining!

"At what point would the Jarv Is people be considered members of Pulp?"
They seem to have made it pretty clear that Andrew and Emma are Pulp. Richard and Jason too, I presume?

As for Mark and Candida staying? Both of them clearly love it on stage. Mark does have a young kid about to enter tricky teenage years! But then again, with modern touring, it's more of an odd night away every few nights, than constantly away for weeks on end (apart from the US leg, of course!)

Interest in the band has probably dropped slightly because the UK tour has finished. Yes, absolutely, that would almost certainly turn around if they performed at Glastonbury tomorrow.

If "More" is still in the charts next week, it will have spent longer than "We Love Life" did. In terms of chart positions alone (which I understand work totally differently now), it has already done better: 1/5/29 vs 6/27/59.

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Wow, We Love Life really did poorly ending up at #6...

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 Pop was pretty much king at that time. Steps, Westlife, Robbie and Kylie dominated the album charts for the last few months of 2001, followed by Pop Idol taking off in the spring of 2002. Being a Pulp fan wasn't very cool (not that I've ever been that cool).

It's still Top Ten in the vinyl charts. Which must mean that even though it takes a lot of streams to equate to an album sale, certain (younger) artists with a younger fanbase must cane the fcuk out of Spotify/Apple etc. to get high album chart entries.

In France, More dropped from 26 to 86 in week two.
Austria loves them, week one was 5, week two is 22.
Switzerland 7 to 48.
Germany 9 to 49

Hopefully the good vibes will lead to a third single. I want to see a classic Pulp music video set in the 2020s!

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Hopefully the good vibes will lead to a third single. I want to see a classic Pulp music video set in the 2020s!

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 Just a thought: the last time anyone played a member of Pulp in a Pulp video, it was Gareth Dickenson pretending to be Jarvis, whilst the real Jarvis was being Brian May (not his worst attempt at impersonating a celebrity).

#34 this week, not bad.

Yeah, a lot of competition this week between new releases (Lorde, The Boss) and other Glasto acts (Rod, Charli, Olivia) getting a boost. Youngblud who went straight in at 1 last week, is only 21 in week two. Goes to show how timing can affect an album's chart success but doesn't fully reflect whether sales are strong or not.

More has actually moved up in the physical sales from 8 to 5 this week. If streaming was weighted less, More would have been top ten for four consecutive weeks in the main album charts just like it is in physical only. And the weighting of streams doesn't link to the monetary value so I'm sure Rough Trade are more than happy that it's not a one-week-wonder like so many albums now are (ie Haim, who didn't get much of a Glasto boost - their new album went from number 3 in the main album charts in its opening week to 93 this week).

One of the few albums to sell more than Different Class in 1995/96, Alanis Morissette's Jagged Little Pill, also sneaked into the Top 40 this week off the back of her well-recieved Glastonbury set. Made me wonder if Different Class or Hits got close to the Top 100.

Also, I got some numbers for More's first three weeks. 40,869 units/streaming equivalent sold in the UK. 46% were vinyl, 29% CD, 15% digital and 10% streams. For the four weeks to June 27th it was number 3 in the UK for total sales. The two artists above them were pop behemoths Sheeran and Carpenter. But look at their mix of sales - 95% and 92% respectively for streaming - just a tiny percentage for LP and CD.
For the same four-week period, More was the best-selling LP and second-best selling CD.

As Ian suggests, I'd expect the album to possibly bomb out of the Top 100 kept week or certainly be low down but it may have more longevity in the vinyl chart i.e tangible sales.

It's interesting to speculate how well "More" may have been received and performed in the charts if it was released in place of "We Love Life" in 2001.

I'd say with the same two singles before it (which may have both reached the top 10) and maybe "Background Noise" after, it would have probably performed similarly to how it has now. The singles would have probably been reviewed along the lines of "A welcome return to form after the misery of "This is Hardcore"" (their opinion, not mine) then I think that they would have picked up on the complexity and variation of the album itself.

46 in the update.

Beating Fontaines and Chappell is INSANE.

Big drop to 94 this week in the UK album charts. Expected as there was no promo boost from high-profile UK shows like in recent weeks and clearly they're not arsed about flogging the album on big radio shows or BBC Breakfast.

Still holding up strong in the vinyl and physical charts - top ten on both in week five of release. No mean feat at all.

And fair ****s to Scotland. At a lofty number 15, its first week out of the Top ten.