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Favourite Song From More [53 vote(s)]

Spike Island
9.4%
Tina
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Grown Ups
13.2%
Slow Jam
20.8%
Farmers Market
0.0%
My Sex
5.7%
Got to Have Love
5.7%
Background Noise
17.0%
Partial Eclipse
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The Hymn of the North
15.1%
A Sunset
1.9%


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Grown Ups is really something. What an album again, but i wonder how Grown Ups could have become a instant hit in the late 90s.

It certainly has that end of an era feel, and could have been the main single for This Is Hardcore.

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That's an interesting idea. The verses and chorus are radio friendly and certainly have something of a singalong quality. I don't think that the "More" version could have been a single at any time in its current form. The part between the second and third choruses is too long but could have been edited for single release, maybe reduce the length of the instrumental and remove the spoken part (I like it but it probably wouldn't have been good for radio play). But what you say makes sense, there's definitely a hit in there somewhere.

I wonder if a recording exists from 1997/8 with a vocal on it (likely including improvised lyrics following Jarvis' comments). We know that it was left as an instrumental in early 1997 but there may be a rehearsal room recording or home demo. It would be interesting to compare that or the aforementioned instrumental against the final version. Maybe a deluxe edition of "More" in 2055 will contain the earlier version of "Grown Ups" and "Got to Have Love".

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Ian wrote:

That's an interesting idea. The verses and chorus are radio friendly and certainly have something of a singalong quality. I don't think that the "More" version could have been a single at any time in its current form. The part between the second and third choruses is too long but could have been edited for single release, maybe reduce the length of the instrumental and remove the spoken part (I like it but it probably wouldn't have been good for radio play). But what you say makes sense, there's definitely a hit in there somewhere.

I wonder if a recording exists from 1997/8 with a vocal on it (likely including improvised lyrics following Jarvis' comments). We know that it was left as an instrumental in early 1997 but there may be a rehearsal room recording or home demo. It would be interesting to compare that or the aforementioned instrumental against the final version. Maybe a deluxe edition of "More" in 2055 will contain the earlier version of "Grown Ups" and "Got to Have Love".


 

I always felt like Pulp did not include it in TIH reissue because Jarvis intended to use it at some point in the future, either with Pulp or solo. So my guess which is totally a guess, is that a very almost finished version exists from some session somewhere. I hope we get to hear it someday. 



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I have always believed that they excluded it from the deluxe because it was an instrumental but that said, so was the End of the Line remix of the title track.

I have just had another listen and my conclusion is: it's the song that "You are the One" and/or "Modern Marriage" could have become with extra work in the studio. Would it have fit in well on the album? I'm not sure where I would place it to be honest, possibly between "Party Hard" and "Help the Aged".

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Ian wrote:

Maybe a deluxe edition of "More" in 2055 will contain the earlier version of "Grown Ups" and "Got to Have Love".


 I will be in my 90s!  As will Jarvis.



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Yes, planet earth may be pulped by then too...

Pet Shop Boys have announced an "Obscure" run of dates at the Camden Electric Ballroom next year. After four years of doing their Dreamworld Greatest Hits tour it's a welcome change! I was just thinking the other day, how amazing it would a Pulp tour where they stated on the press release "No hits!" would be...

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.how amazing it would a Pulp tour where they stated on the press release "No hits!" would be...


Like Jarvis solo smile

I would like to hear Pulp to do albums from Separations to More in their entirety with other choice cuts (including Intro), but wont hold my breath.  However, I suspect that 2026 may see bigger UK dates in stadiums.    



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.how amazing it would a Pulp tour where they stated on the press release "No hits!" would be...


Like Jarvis solo smile

I would like to hear Pulp to do albums from Separations to More in their entirety with other choice cuts (including Intro), but wont hold my breath.  However, I suspect that 2026 may see bigger UK dates in stadiums.    


 Do you think they could sell out massive stadiums after the touring they've just done? I just don't know but I'm not convinced. 



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Ian wrote:

I have always believed that they excluded it from the deluxe because it was an instrumental but that said, so was the End of the Line remix of the title track.

I have just had another listen and my conclusion is: it's the song that "You are the One" and/or "Modern Marriage" could have become with extra work in the studio. Would it have fit in well on the album? I'm not sure where I would place it to be honest, possibly between "Party Hard" and "Help the Aged".


 

Hehe i wondered that too. I would place it right after TV Movie before a Little Soul and instead of I'm a Man, or in place of Sylvia. But your spot is a good one too, maybe better, since it's a "start" of album track more like. 

There are so many great leftovers from that era. You are the One an Street Operator are just wasted left as demos. But it seems like even at 60, Pulp can still come up with great songs, so i'm not too worried for another album. 

It would have been interesting to even hear just the instrumental of Grown Ups, a lot of bands put them on their best of. So why not.



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I can't picture Grown Ups on Hardcore, I really can't. I like it a lot but it's just too bouncy for the overall mood of that album. They were obviously trying to get away from the whole Britpop thing at that point, and it would have just undermined that.

As for the other leftovers, even though I'm not the biggest fan of This Is Hardcore I personally think they made the right choices for what went on the album. The leftovers are enjoyable but for me none of them are top tier material. They mostly amble along in a mid-tempo, pedestrian sort of way and there just isn't that spark that makes them exciting or powerful. Then again, maybe I'd feel the same way if I heard the demos of what's on the album! But for me, all the other (Island) albums have stronger unreleased songs.

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Even Different Class? Slim pickings....Don't Lose It maybe but which revered song would you drop... Live Bed Show?]

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I wouldn't change DC, but I reckon Don't Lose It, WCDA and Catcliffe all have more about them than the TIH songs. They certainly deserved to be worked up as B sides at the very least.

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saw119 wrote:
ArrGee wrote:
Eamonn wrote:

.how amazing it would a Pulp tour where they stated on the press release "No hits!" would be...


Like Jarvis solo smile

I would like to hear Pulp to do albums from Separations to More in their entirety with other choice cuts (including Intro), but wont hold my breath.  However, I suspect that 2026 may see bigger UK dates in stadiums.    


 Do you think they could sell out massive stadiums after the touring they've just done? I just don't know but I'm not convinced. 


Depends on how massive a stadium.  Maybe not Wembley or Croke Park, but certainly a slightly smaller and superior London stadium located just off the Holloway Road and probably a few northern stadiums.  Alternatively another gig in a big field like Hyde Park Or Finsbury Park.   The two nights at O2 sold out quickly enough.



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I can't picture Grown Ups on Hardcore, I really can't. I like it a lot but it's just too bouncy for the overall mood of that album. They were obviously trying to get away from the whole Britpop thing at that point, and it would have just undermined that.

As for the other leftovers, even though I'm not the biggest fan of This Is Hardcore I personally think they made the right choices for what went on the album. The leftovers are enjoyable but for me none of them are top tier material. They mostly amble along in a mid-tempo, pedestrian sort of way and there just isn't that spark that makes them exciting or powerful. Then again, maybe I'd feel the same way if I heard the demos of what's on the album! But for me, all the other (Island) albums have stronger unreleased songs.


 

Well we have a perfect example: Tomorrow Never Dies (Lies). The demo is quite good, but the finished version is miles better. There's not so many differences, the vocals are just a way, way better, and the mix is perfect. And that makes all the difference. So for songs like street operator and You are the one, one can only wonder what a finished could have sounded like. + the TIH demos have a really bad sound. There is no dynamic. 

Grown Ups could have worked to me because TIH has so many styles, i mean we have the title track next to TV Movie and Glory Days. Couldnt be that different. Yet Grown Ups have that guitar side of it that makes it a good fit for TIH. And it's always been Jarvis's unique voice that gave Pulp's albums unity. 

 



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Are you forgetting about We Can Dance Again?? It would make my all time Pulp Top 10, maybe even Top 5!



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I do love WCDA but as someone in the band said (Russell or Nick?), it's a bit too "Pulpy". Think it might have been their first top ten had it come out as an interim single between HnH and DC. But putting it on DC as well as Misshapes, might have made the album wobble a bit towards self-parody. Still, would have been a cracking B-Side (as would Don't Lose It and the inimitable Catcliffe Shakedown). Paula...not so much!

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I do love WCDA but as someone in the band said (Russell or Nick?), it's a bit too "Pulpy". Think it might have been their first top ten had it come out as an interim single between HnH and DC. But putting it on DC as well as Misshapes, might have made the album wobble a bit towards self-parody. Still, would have been a cracking B-Side (as would Don't Lose It and the inimitable Catcliffe Shakedown). Paula...not so much!


 

I think the Ladytron version of WCDA is better than the Pulp one.  



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Ladytron did a version? Thought it was just Chevette.



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Never ever ditching live bed show ! One of my favorite.

We Can Dance Again could have been a standalone single, or even a bside. that band wasted so many, so many great songs. The good thing is always recording everything properly then decide what to do with it. Coz when the moment passes, it's over, you can't capture it back. And now we know how much they would need extra material. DC anniversary releases are poor because of that.

Not recording a song properly is like not finishing your house or something, it makes no sense to me as a musician. Especially in the britpop days, when everything that band (and a few other) did was instant gold. Its really a management mistake not to make them finish that song, and few other.

 



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See, I saw the potential in "We Can Dance Again" when I heard the live recording from late 1994 but when I finally heard the demo, it just didn't hold up at all for me. I consider the lyrics to be far inferior for a start and whilst I accept that it could have been a hit, I just don't think that the music is anything special. Maybe if they had pursued this song and recorded a final version, it could have sounded better.

I wouldn't put "(Don't) Lose It" on the album but it would have been fine as a B-side. I also commented the first time I heard it that it would have made a great live song.

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Eamonn wrote:

Ladytron did a version? Thought it was just Chevette.



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Weren't Chevette just Ladyton before they settled on their final name? A proto-Ladytron project?



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Pulp played We Can Dance Again live?!? I must hear this!!

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Chevette became Ladytron? Never new...

Pulp played We Can Dance Again twice in December 1994. Once at Drury Lane Theatre in one of the best Pulp bootlegs for setlist variety and displaying Pulp at their idiosyncratic peak just before the big time. Chris Thomas attended this show before beginning work with Pulp the following month on Common People and Underwear. It'll be on the FeelingCalledLive site, enjoy!

The earlier performance of We Can Dance Again was played to a massive crowd at the Docklands Arena for the Princes Trust along with assorted other star turns (Squeeze, Kylie, The Kinks (!)  etc.)

The performance of Babies is on Youtube. It's a holy grail that footage of WCDA presumably exists but was never broadcast.



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Pulp played We Can Dance Again live?!? I must hear this!!


 Yes. I remember hearing it and Common People at Drury Lane for the first time and  thinking We Can Dance Again would be a great single. Common People less so.



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See, I saw the potential in "We Can Dance Again" when I heard the live recording from late 1994 but when I finally heard the demo, it just didn't hold up at all for me. I consider the lyrics to be far inferior for a start and whilst I accept that it could have been a hit, I just don't think that the music is anything special. Maybe if they had pursued this song and recorded a final version, it could have sounded better.

I wouldn't put "(Don't) Lose It" on the album but it would have been fine as a B-side. I also commented the first time I heard it that it would have made a great live song.


 

We Can Dance Again with the DC sound, i'm 99% it would have been a great track. The demo is quite good but it's just a demo, and the backing track lacks strengh. Jarvis vocals are great but it needed powerful drums, and bass. On the demo, they sound a bit tired. The instrument you hear the most are they keys. 

The mix of the demo is also pretty poor, it actually sounds like a mix from the HNH era more than a DC song. 

I'm sure a 2025 remix would change the mind of a lot of you on this song biggrin There's something there. 



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