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Favourite Song From More [42 vote(s)]

Spike Island
11.9%
Tina
7.1%
Grown Ups
9.5%
Slow Jam
19.0%
Farmers Market
0.0%
My Sex
7.1%
Got to Have Love
7.1%
Background Noise
19.0%
Partial Eclipse
4.8%
The Hymn of the North
14.3%
A Sunset
0.0%


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Eamonn wrote:

Yeah, I think House Music is the best single from More and Beyond The Pale.

Must I Evolve is more of a statement than the two More singles. I'm really glad Spike Island got traction and works as an opener on record and live but as strong as the post-'96 output is, there still hasn't been a knockout single to rival 'owt from 1992 to 1995 (plus Help The Aged). Maybe that's asking for way too much as not many acts can match that run.

Also agree somewhat with Farmers Market and Partial Eclipse. They feel more to be admired than enjoyed. Lovely little melodies but the choruses are very brief and there's a lack of excitement to both. I think one could have been swapped-out for something uptempo but I guess Kim wasn't going to let her husband ditch her favourite song!

Surprised you rate Grown Ups so much. I like bits of it but I can't believe Mark let the guitar plod most of the way through when it's his main chance on the album to do something interesting, as the song's not swamped in strings - and Jarvis plays the fun slide bits on Spike Island.

The guitar in the intro, verses and "solo" on Grown Ups all feel uninspired in their generic indie-ness. It's weird cos Webber has said it's his least favourite song on the album. Maybe Jarvis curbed more creative riffs...keen to hear the 1997 demo now. Generally I think Mark's playing is really well-judged and generous on More. He only comes in on certain songs when the guitar offers something different in harmony or counterpoint.

The heart of the album for me is Hymn, Slow Jam and My Sex. Magnificent builds, arrangement, lyrics and choruses to each of them. Mark plays his part in all of those. He's also to the fore on Background Noise with some nice guitar effects. The only thing that slightly mars that song for me is Jarvis being a bit mumbly in the verses and the tempo in those sections dragging slightly. Didn't help that I knew the live version first which is slightly quicker.



-- Edited by Eamonn on Wednesday 25th of June 2025 04:05:30 PM


 Eamonn... I would usually set my watch to your Pulp opinions... but Grown Ups is so good !!! So so good!! Top three on the album! I know it's a chugger, whatever, but I think it's fabulous!

The tempo comes off Nick who's playing a great crisp clip-clop, the way Jarvis sings and the way he's mic'ed feels different, it suits the song, there's a faint ghostliness to his vocals. The chugging guitar chords are only part of the puzzle, and an essential part of it too - there's something slightly London Calling about them, yknow? they're reminiscent of past songs. And then there's a really good chorus, it has maybe the best hook on the album - and an equally strong lyrical conceit to accompany it.

It's the Mis-Shapes of the album I think - the uptempo, slightly glam-stomp, mission statement.

And it's so good. So so good. You have all the moans/grunts where you're not sure if Jarvis is making Obligatory Horny Exhalations or if he's trying to get up out of an easy-chair. The spoken word bits are peerless too. 'Are you sure?' - and then the bridge after it. It really does go from chords to anxious stabbing (I can't remember who here said that, might've been Pip or ArrGee?)

 

And the rest of the lyrics - "One more sunset/One final blaze of glory" - c'mon, that's perfect Pulp. Hearing that line, it felt like a C0cker call to arms, MY Mis-Shapes, MY Disco 2000, all of these years later. It is so very good.



-- Edited by lipglossed on Saturday 28th of June 2025 01:01:15 AM

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Go on then, I'll give it another shot...was quite impressed with it live, in fairness.

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Grown Ups is such a rollercoaster of a song. Starts slow, slowly speeds, then stops, then goes fast again.... And all of all that with the same tempo.

It's really a high point in their career, and i wonder how the TIH version would have sounded like. I want to hear it now. That song with the TIH production... i mean.

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Stephen wrote:

I think Grown Ups, Tina and Got To Have Love are as good as anything that Pulp have done


Got To Have Love definitely is.  Every time I hear it is sounds better. And, dare I say it, was the best song in the set at Glastonbury.   There are some good songs on the LP, but Got To Have Love is great.  Had it been released in 1990s, it would have been #1 (assuming the likes of Robson & Jerome and Simply Red didnt banjax it).



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ArrGee wrote:
Stephen wrote:

I think Grown Ups, Tina and Got To Have Love are as good as anything that Pulp have done


Got To Have Love definitely is.  Every time I hear it is sounds better. And, dare I say it, was the best song in the set at Glastonbury.   There are some good songs on the LP, but Got To Have Love is great.  Had it been released in 1990s, it would have been #1 (assuming the likes of Robson & Jerome and Simply Red didnt banjax it).


 

For me it was the song that i was waiting for the most. Of course it could never be as huge as it is in my mind after 20 years or so of patience. And that shows how good that album is, coz it's great but is far from being my favorite.

I guess they did not release this (or We Can Dance Again) to depart from the Different Class sound. And also because of the sample. Don't think it would have been well received back then to have a song with a main chorus lifted from another song. 



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Why not? Moby was doing it all the time back then...



-- Edited by Eamonn on Sunday 29th of June 2025 12:10:36 PM

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Eamonn wrote:

Why not? Mobile was doing it all the time back then...


 

Moby ? Not the same crowd. Not the same music. Not britpop (if not Moby, i never heard about Mobile sorry) 

Remember the Don't Look Back in Anger intro, which is to some a ripp off Imagine (which it is not biggrin ) and it became  Don't Look Back in Anger = 100% Imagine in people's mind. It generated a lot of bad press. 

I can see the headlines in 1999, when everyone was trying to shoot britpop bands, about a band trying to recreate the success of Common People or Disco 2000 but not finding their own chorus and lifting it from another band. 

 



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Yes, I meant Moby, not Mobile, but my mobile phone autocorrected to mobile.

I dunno...GTHL is a fairly direct, stomping tune. Just like DLBIAnger is a brilliant anthem so I'm not sure any criticism would stop it from being popular.

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Yes, I meant Moby, not Mobile, but my mobile phone autocorrected to mobile.

I dunno...GTHL is a fairly direct, stomping tune. Just like DLBIAnger is a brilliant anthem so I'm not sure any criticism would stop it from being popular.


 

Well Moby was kind of in the "electronic" music side of things, and samples are well accepted in that genre, they're one of the root of the genre even. It then got ridiculous in the 00s by the way. 

In the Britpop era that put songwriters on a pedestal, I bet it could have raised some concerns. Maybe not. But I'm sure there was some discussions within the band about that. I know i would have, but i'm not Pulp ! biggrin 



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andy wrote:
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I think Grown Ups, Tina and Got To Have Love are as good as anything that Pulp have done


Got To Have Love definitely is.  Every time I hear it is sounds better. And, dare I say it, was the best song in the set at Glastonbury.   There are some good songs on the LP, but Got To Have Love is great.  Had it been released in 1990s, it would have been #1 (assuming the likes of Robson & Jerome and Simply Red didnt banjax it).


 

For me it was the song that i was waiting for the most. Of course it could never be as huge as it is in my mind after 20 years or so of patience. And that shows how good that album is, coz it's great but is far from being my favorite.

 


Luckily, I pay no attention to unreleased songs   Bowie's Tired of My Life and King of The City were interesting early recordings of what became It's No Game and Ashes to Ashes but I'm glad I never knew they existed prior to the Scary Monsters LP.  Lots of artists have songs that never were really worked on that they return to and re-record in a very different way.  I do suspect PULP. have a lot from the late 20th/early 21st century that hopefully will come to light.    Besides, there is still a 30th anniversary of Different Class that needs releasing.



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Eamonn wrote:

Yes, I meant Moby, not Mobile, but my mobile phone autocorrected to mobile.

I dunno...GTHL is a fairly direct, stomping tune. Just like DLBIAnger is a brilliant anthem so I'm not sure any criticism would stop it from being popular.


 Yes.  Imagine a world where PULP. released Got To Have Love as a single rather than the more challenging Help The Aged or This Is Hardcore.  Aside from the "jerking off inside someone else" (which would have been sanitised) it is pretty life-affirming. It would have been played on the hour every hour. Blur's Song 2 was riding high at a similar time. 

FWIW, I don't think it sounds like it was from the Different Class era.  Pulpwiki suggests the first instrumental recording was in 1999, but was the song conceived of earlier?



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GTHL would've fitted neatly onto Different Class, perhaps where Monday Morning is (not that I'd want to lose Monday Morning, which is one of my favourites from that record). But as a more sample-heavy song, it still is more tellingly post-DC, I think.



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GTHL would've fitted neatly onto Different Class, perhaps where Monday Morning is (not that I'd want to lose Monday Morning, which is one of my favourites from that record). But as a more sample-heavy song, it still is more tellingly post-DC, I think.



-- Edited by lipglossed on Sunday 29th of June 2025 02:22:33 PM


 

Agreed. That's kinda my view on this. Britpop was on the way over, and other way of making music were "acceptable" for the band. This is Harcore sample, and then you got Jarvis on his solo album using the backing track of "Crimson and Clover" (not sampling i think though) for Black Magic. Times changed after This Is Hardcore, But I doubt they would have gotten away with it in 95 or 96. 



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ArrGee wrote:
andy wrote:
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Stephen wrote:

I think Grown Ups, Tina and Got To Have Love are as good as anything that Pulp have done


Got To Have Love definitely is.  Every time I hear it is sounds better. And, dare I say it, was the best song in the set at Glastonbury.   There are some good songs on the LP, but Got To Have Love is great.  Had it been released in 1990s, it would have been #1 (assuming the likes of Robson & Jerome and Simply Red didnt banjax it).


 

For me it was the song that i was waiting for the most. Of course it could never be as huge as it is in my mind after 20 years or so of patience. And that shows how good that album is, coz it's great but is far from being my favorite.

 


Luckily, I pay no attention to unreleased songs   Bowie's Tired of My Life and King of The City were interesting early recordings of what became It's No Game and Ashes to Ashes but I'm glad I never knew they existed prior to the Scary Monsters LP.  Lots of artists have songs that never were really worked on that they return to and re-record in a very different way.  I do suspect PULP. have a lot from the late 20th/early 21st century that hopefully will come to light.    Besides, there is still a 30th anniversary of Different Class that needs releasing.


 

you are strong biggrin cant think i would have waited all those year without listening to those demos heavily. Some that might never be released. When i love a band, i wanna hear everything, even the bad demos. I like how bands build their sound. 



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andy wrote:
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andy wrote:
ArrGee wrote:
Stephen wrote:

I think Grown Ups, Tina and Got To Have Love are as good as anything that Pulp have done


Got To Have Love definitely is.  Every time I hear it is sounds better. And, dare I say it, was the best song in the set at Glastonbury.   There are some good songs on the LP, but Got To Have Love is great.  Had it been released in 1990s, it would have been #1 (assuming the likes of Robson & Jerome and Simply Red didnt banjax it).


 

For me it was the song that i was waiting for the most. Of course it could never be as huge as it is in my mind after 20 years or so of patience. And that shows how good that album is, coz it's great but is far from being my favorite.

 


Luckily, I pay no attention to unreleased songs   Bowie's Tired of My Life and King of The City were interesting early recordings of what became It's No Game and Ashes to Ashes but I'm glad I never knew they existed prior to the Scary Monsters LP.  Lots of artists have songs that never were really worked on that they return to and re-record in a very different way.  I do suspect PULP. have a lot from the late 20th/early 21st century that hopefully will come to light.    Besides, there is still a 30th anniversary of Different Class that needs releasing.


 you are strong biggrin cant think i would have waited all those year without listening to those demos heavily. Some that might never be released. When i love a band, i wanna hear everything, even the bad demos. I like how bands build their sound. 


 Well, neither of them saw the light of day before 1980, so it wasn't an option.  Even if there were demos out there they would have been impossible to source. I was only 16 when Scary Monsters was released in 1980 and as far as I know King of The City only surfaced in 2022.   



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