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I think Grown Ups, Tina and Got To Have Love are as good as anything that Pulp have done

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Got To Have Love definitely is.  Every time I hear it is sounds better. And, dare I say it, was the best song in the set at Glastonbury.   There are some good songs on the LP, but Got To Have Love is great.  Had it been released in 1990s, it would have been #1 (assuming the likes of Robson & Jerome and Simply Red didnt banjax it).

Why not? Moby was doing it all the time back then...

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ArrGee wrote:

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Stephen wrote:

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I think Grown Ups, Tina and Got To Have Love are as good as anything that Pulp have done

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Got To Have Love definitely is.  Every time I hear it is sounds better. And, dare I say it, was the best song in the set at Glastonbury.   There are some good songs on the LP, but Got To Have Love is great.  Had it been released in 1990s, it would have been #1 (assuming the likes of Robson & Jerome and Simply Red didnt banjax it).

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For me it was the song that i was waiting for the most. Of course it could never be as huge as it is in my mind after 20 years or so of patience. And that shows how good that album is, coz it's great but is far from being my favorite.

 

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Luckily, I pay no attention to unreleased songs   Bowie's Tired of My Life and King of The City were interesting early recordings of what became It's No Game and Ashes to Ashes but I'm glad I never knew they existed prior to the Scary Monsters LP.  Lots of artists have songs that never were really worked on that they return to and re-record in a very different way.  I do suspect PULP. have a lot from the late 20th/early 21st century that hopefully will come to light.    Besides, there is still a 30th anniversary of Different Class that needs releasing.

GTHL would've fitted neatly onto Different Class, perhaps where Monday Morning is (not that I'd want to lose Monday Morning, which is one of my favourites from that record). But as a more sample-heavy song, it still is more tellingly post-DC, I think.

ArrGee wrote:

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andy wrote:

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ArrGee wrote:

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Stephen wrote:

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I think Grown Ups, Tina and Got To Have Love are as good as anything that Pulp have done

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Got To Have Love definitely is.  Every time I hear it is sounds better. And, dare I say it, was the best song in the set at Glastonbury.   There are some good songs on the LP, but Got To Have Love is great.  Had it been released in 1990s, it would have been #1 (assuming the likes of Robson & Jerome and Simply Red didnt banjax it).

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For me it was the song that i was waiting for the most. Of course it could never be as huge as it is in my mind after 20 years or so of patience. And that shows how good that album is, coz it's great but is far from being my favorite.

 

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Luckily, I pay no attention to unreleased songs   Bowie's Tired of My Life and King of The City were interesting early recordings of what became It's No Game and Ashes to Ashes but I'm glad I never knew they existed prior to the Scary Monsters LP.  Lots of artists have songs that never were really worked on that they return to and re-record in a very different way.  I do suspect PULP. have a lot from the late 20th/early 21st century that hopefully will come to light.    Besides, there is still a 30th anniversary of Different Class that needs releasing.

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you are strong  cant think i would have waited all those year without listening to those demos heavily. Some that might never be released. When i love a band, i wanna hear everything, even the bad demos. I like how bands build their sound. 

A couple of thoughts on Tina - if you can strum a few chords on guitar, I urge you to play and sing along to it - https://chordsworld.com/pulp-tina-chords/

The chords are fairly easy like most Pulp songs but the rhythm of this song keeps it interesting and it is such FUN to play, especially the quick chord changes and the little pre-chorus build-up and fade as our breathless narrator recalls the sightings of his would-be dreamgirl. I already liked the song a lot but love it even more now.

Another observation on the song - in 2007, Uncut magazine did a feature on Paul Weller's best songs and a batch of famous faces nominated theirs with some quotes as to why they chose it. Jarvis went for a song called "Girl On The Phone", the opening track to The Jam's fourth album, Setting Sons. It's about an obsessive fan who tries to contact the narrator and knows everything about him. Given similar parasocial themes in Tina and Jarvis' liking for the Weller song, I wonder if it was a lyrical influence, conscious or not...

Scottbloodyfrazer wrote:

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Only one song needs leaving off More - Farmers Market. It's just boring ! (....I'm going to stir controversy there haha)

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 Haha, someone would not be happy about it. I am not really into Farmer's Market, either. I know Jarvis wrote it to his wife, but ... Something Change is just legendary and uncompetable, IN MY OPINION.

A 9 for Spike and a 4 for Sunset 

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That's why I'm not a fan of giving marks out of 10. 4 roughly translates to "it's alright but nothing remarkable for me". 

On "This is Hardcore", "Seductive Barry" would be a 9 and "A Little Soul" a 1. Please feel free to block me 

 

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 I wouldnt go as far as saying it would be the opposite for me, but A 10 for a little Soul and a lot less for Seductive Barry, a 6 i'd say. I actually feel that song dont fit on the record. 

Not blocking, but strongly disagree 

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That's an interesting idea. The verses and chorus are radio friendly and certainly have something of a singalong quality. I don't think that the "More" version could have been a single at any time in its current form. The part between the second and third choruses is too long but could have been edited for single release, maybe reduce the length of the instrumental and remove the spoken part (I like it but it probably wouldn't have been good for radio play). But what you say makes sense, there's definitely a hit in there somewhere.

I wonder if a recording exists from 1997/8 with a vocal on it (likely including improvised lyrics following Jarvis' comments). We know that it was left as an instrumental in early 1997 but there may be a rehearsal room recording or home demo. It would be interesting to compare that or the aforementioned instrumental against the final version. Maybe a deluxe edition of "More" in 2055 will contain the earlier version of "Grown Ups" and "Got to Have Love".

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I always felt like Pulp did not include it in TIH reissue because Jarvis intended to use it at some point in the future, either with Pulp or solo. So my guess which is totally a guess, is that a very almost finished version exists from some session somewhere. I hope we get to hear it someday. 

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Maybe a deluxe edition of "More" in 2055 will contain the earlier version of "Grown Ups" and "Got to Have Love".

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 I will be in my 90s!  As will Jarvis.

Eamonn wrote:

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.how amazing it would a Pulp tour where they stated on the press release "No hits!" would be...

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Like Jarvis solo 

I would like to hear Pulp to do albums from Separations to More in their entirety with other choice cuts (including Intro), but wont hold my breath.  However, I suspect that 2026 may see bigger UK dates in stadiums.    

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I have always believed that they excluded it from the deluxe because it was an instrumental but that said, so was the End of the Line remix of the title track.

I have just had another listen and my conclusion is: it's the song that "You are the One" and/or "Modern Marriage" could have become with extra work in the studio. Would it have fit in well on the album? I'm not sure where I would place it to be honest, possibly between "Party Hard" and "Help the Aged".

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Hehe i wondered that too. I would place it right after TV Movie before a Little Soul and instead of I'm a Man, or in place of Sylvia. But your spot is a good one too, maybe better, since it's a "start" of album track more like. 

There are so many great leftovers from that era. You are the One an Street Operator are just wasted left as demos. But it seems like even at 60, Pulp can still come up with great songs, so i'm not too worried for another album. 

It would have been interesting to even hear just the instrumental of Grown Ups, a lot of bands put them on their best of. So why not.

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.how amazing it would a Pulp tour where they stated on the press release "No hits!" would be...

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Like Jarvis solo 

I would like to hear Pulp to do albums from Separations to More in their entirety with other choice cuts (including Intro), but wont hold my breath.  However, I suspect that 2026 may see bigger UK dates in stadiums.    

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 Do you think they could sell out massive stadiums after the touring they've just done? I just don't know but I'm not convinced. 

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Depends on how massive a stadium.  Maybe not Wembley or Croke Park, but certainly a slightly smaller and superior London stadium located just off the Holloway Road and probably a few northern stadiums.  Alternatively another gig in a big field like Hyde Park Or Finsbury Park.   The two nights at O2 sold out quickly enough.

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Even Different Class? Slim pickings....Don't Lose It maybe but which revered song would you drop... Live Bed Show?]

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Are you forgetting about We Can Dance Again?? It would make my all time Pulp Top 10, maybe even Top 5!

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I do love WCDA but as someone in the band said (Russell or Nick?), it's a bit too "Pulpy". Think it might have been their first top ten had it come out as an interim single between HnH and DC. But putting it on DC as well as Misshapes, might have made the album wobble a bit towards self-parody. Still, would have been a cracking B-Side (as would Don't Lose It and the inimitable Catcliffe Shakedown). Paula...not so much!

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I think the Ladytron version of WCDA is better than the Pulp one.  

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Even Different Class? Slim pickings....Don't Lose It maybe but which revered song would you drop... Live Bed Show?]

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Never ever ditching live bed show ! One of my favorite.

We Can Dance Again could have been a standalone single, or even a bside. that band wasted so many, so many great songs. The good thing is always recording everything properly then decide what to do with it. Coz when the moment passes, it's over, you can't capture it back. And now we know how much they would need extra material. DC anniversary releases are poor because of that.

Not recording a song properly is like not finishing your house or something, it makes no sense to me as a musician. Especially in the britpop days, when everything that band (and a few other) did was instant gold. Its really a management mistake not to make them finish that song, and few other.

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Ladytron did a version? Thought it was just Chevette.

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Weren't Chevette just Ladyton before they settled on their final name? A proto-Ladytron project?

Chevette became Ladytron? Never new...

Pulp played We Can Dance Again twice in December 1994. Once at Drury Lane Theatre in one of the best Pulp bootlegs for setlist variety and displaying Pulp at their idiosyncratic peak just before the big time. Chris Thomas attended this show before beginning work with Pulp the following month on Common People and Underwear. It'll be on the FeelingCalledLive site, enjoy!

The earlier performance of We Can Dance Again was played to a massive crowd at the Docklands Arena for the Princes Trust along with assorted other star turns (Squeeze, Kylie, The Kinks (!)  etc.)

The performance of Babies is on Youtube. It's a holy grail that footage of WCDA presumably exists but was never broadcast.

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See, I saw the potential in "We Can Dance Again" when I heard the live recording from late 1994 but when I finally heard the demo, it just didn't hold up at all for me. I consider the lyrics to be far inferior for a start and whilst I accept that it could have been a hit, I just don't think that the music is anything special. Maybe if they had pursued this song and recorded a final version, it could have sounded better.

I wouldn't put "(Don't) Lose It" on the album but it would have been fine as a B-side. I also commented the first time I heard it that it would have made a great live song.

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We Can Dance Again with the DC sound, i'm 99% it would have been a great track. The demo is quite good but it's just a demo, and the backing track lacks strengh. Jarvis vocals are great but it needed powerful drums, and bass. On the demo, they sound a bit tired. The instrument you hear the most are they keys. 

The mix of the demo is also pretty poor, it actually sounds like a mix from the HNH era more than a DC song. 

I'm sure a 2025 remix would change the mind of a lot of you on this song  There's something there.