1. Grown Ups 2. Slow Jam 3. Background Noise 4. Got to Have Love 5. Spike Island 6. Partial Eclipse 7. My Sex 8. The Hymn of the North 9. Farmers Market 10. A Sunset 11. Tina
Interesting! Would love to read your commentary on the songs, Will.
1. Grown Ups
2. Tina
3. The Hymn of The North
4. Got To Have Love
5. Spike Island
6. Farmers Market
7. Slow Jam
8. My Sex
9. Background Noise
10. A Sunset
11. Partial Eclipse
Hymn of the North aside, which Im sort of obsessing over, Ive found Slow Jam stuck in my head all day. Wasnt crazy about it yesterday but its burrowed its way in there overnight. Grown Ups isnt at the top of many peoples lists, but thats catchy as hell too. Catchy as hell and musically dense - it just feels big somehow. Havent read the lyrics closely - cant do that whilst the musics playing can I, wink wink, and the music hasnt stopped. I think the only one that hasnt totally captivated me yet is Farmers Market. Spike Island is great but Ive massively over-listened to it in the run up to the album
-- Edited by superchob on Saturday 7th of June 2025 04:34:51 PM
1. Tina
2. THOTN
3. Background Noise
4. Farmers Market
5. Got to have love
6. My Sex
7. A Sunset
8. Slow Jam
9. Partial Eclipse
10. Grown Ups
11. Spike Island
1. Got to Have Love 2. Background Noise 3. Spike Island 4. Grown Ups 5. Slow Jam 6. My Sex 7. Partial Eclipse 8. Hymn of the North 9. A Sunset 10. Farmers Market 11. Tina
-- Edited by Pye on Saturday 7th of June 2025 09:59:15 PM
1. Spike Island 2. Background Noise > 3. My Sex > 4. Grown Ups > 5. Slow Jam 6. Tina > 7. Got To Have Love > 8. The Hymn of The North > 9. Partial Eclipse > 10. A Sunset > 11. Farmers Market
For reference, His n Hers has been my favorite album since the mid 90s. I like More er more than We Love Life...what a gift! On third listen:
1) Got to Have Love
2) Spike Island
3) Hymn of the North
4) Tina
5) Slow Jam
6) Farmer's Market (I'm surprised how much I like this after not connecting with it in LA last year)
7) Background Noise
8) My Sex
9) Grown Ups (the chorus is a little too coherent for me)
10) Partial Eclipse
11) A Sunset
1) Hymn of the North
2) Got to Have Love
3) My Sex
4) Slow Jam
5) Grown Ups
6) Spike Island
7) Tina
8) Background Noise
9) A Sunset
10) Farmer's Market (I'm surprised how much I like this after not connecting with it in LA last year)
11) Partial Eclipse
Ok, six listens in and ready to make a provisional list. This is very much not what I would have put on first listen.
1. Slow Jam
2. Grown Ups
3. Got To Have Love
4. Farmers Market
5. Spike Island
6. Tina
7. The Hymn of The North
8. My Sex
9. A Sunset
10. Open Strings
11. Partial Eclipse
12. Background Noise
I'm enjoying all of them, and the album in full flow is a wonderful journey - there's nothing here I don't enjoy. At the moment the songs are falling into three camps, which will undoubtedly change over time:
Go-to tracks:
Got to have love
Spike Island
Grown ups
Background Noise
A Sunset
Very happy to hear them when they come on:
Tina
Slow Jam
Farmers Market
Partial Eclipse
Can take or leave them, though of course it's Pulp so I love that they exist:
The Hymn of the North
Open Strings
My Sex
Now that weve had More for a whopping 3-and-a-bit days Ive changed my mind - My Sex is my favourite. Loving the fact it sounds like The Professional revisted, that was always one of my favourites of the TIH era and I always wanted more to come of it than just a forgotten B-side. The strings and backing vocals add something special here and it feels interesting and fresh. It stands out from the album the more I listen to it.
I think the reason My Sex came relatively low on my personal ranking is its similarity to The Professional. A strength of Pulp has always been how each album has its own sound and constantly took the band into a new direction. Anything that sounds even a little derivative is less appealing.
I think the reason My Sex came relatively low on my personal ranking is its similarity to The Professional. A strength of Pulp has always been how each album has its own sound and constantly took the band into a new direction. Anything that sounds even a little derivative is less appealing.
I agree, it's too much of a rehash, but less good. it's still a good album track, but i dont know, if i was the band, i would have been a bit annoyed by this. The Professional was perfect, there was no need for a remix. Maybe they have forgotten about it (i'm sure they did not)
My personal favorite is still Grown Ups. The first 3 listens did nothing for me, the it clicked. Great lyrics, classic Pulp build up but the melody and guitar parts area really a new sound for Pulp. It has everything, and its a really melancholic take on life, yet simple. a Jarvis Chef d'Oeuvre.
-- Edited by andy on Monday 9th of June 2025 04:02:21 PM
Waffling on this but after several listens Id say:
1)Background Noise
2) Spike Island
3) My Sex
4) Grown Ups
5) Farmers Market
6)Got to Have Love
7) A Sunset
8) Hymn of the North
9) Slow Jam
10) Partial Eclipse
11) Tina
But really I think theyre all very strong and I almost feel bad putting partial eclipse so low because I love the spoken word breakdown. Its so very Pulp.
Side note: anyone else still in slight disbelief we actually have new Pulp songs to be discussing? Feels great but also surreal
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My personal favorite is still Grown Ups. The first 3 listens did nothing for me, the it clicked. Great lyrics, classic Pulp build up but the melody and guitar parts area really a new sound for Pulp. It has everything, and its a really melancholic take on life, yet simple. a Jarvis Chef d'Oeuvre.
Similar here. First time I heard it I couldn't quite believe they'd done a song with such a blatant Britpop bounce to it at this stage in the game - and I think that's probably why it got left off Hardcore as they were understandably trying to disassociate themselves from all that. But once you get over that, it's a really good song, and as you say, great lyrics. There's something quite clever about how the rhythm doesn't change throughout the song, but somehow by the end it's anxious stabbing rather than carefree stomping.
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My Sex does have a chorus though and a really good one at that.
As much as I love The Professional, it is not as melodically-driven (the ghostly "Oh ooh oh"s are the refrain but not a patch on the verses).
My Sex does have a chorus though and a really good one at that. As much as I love The Professional, it is not as melodically-driven (the ghostly "Oh ooh oh"s are the refrain but not a patch on the verses).
Thats why it was a bsid, but like the other TiH songs the production is no unique and special. thats what make it great.
Also fwiw, this is how I feel as brown girl watching the Spike Island video (though, incidentally, when I waited to ask for an autograph after one of the tiny Jarv Is gigs in CA, it was me and a bunch of other--much younger--brown girls).
-- Edited by ninotchka on Monday 9th of June 2025 07:12:16 PM
FWIW while I doubt it was his intention as such, My Sex does strike a chord if youre genderqueer.
Gender fluidity was the meaning that I initially prescribed to it, then I looked at it through the lens of my own bisexuality. Neither of which apply to Jarvis. But as Eamonn says I'm sure he was well aware of the numerous ways it could be read into.
The second side opens with My Sex. (My sexis neither here nor there / is neither him nor her / Its an out-of-body experience.) How did that come about?
I thought that would be a good title. It could have turned into a kind of a jokey song, but I didnt want to do that. The second verse is a bit darker in a waythe stuff like, Love is invisible to the naked eye when its raised in the dark of two peoples minds. My wife doesnt like that one. She said, Are you trying to tell me that youre gay or something? She just didnt understand what it was supposed to be about.
I feel like that would be a bad way to tell someone that.
You know, I wouldnt put it past myself.
Youd have to admit that youre a bad communicator, interpersonally.
Yeah, exactly. I suppose part of that is because I learned about sex from being in a female household. I got a female perspective on the men in their lives. That was always there when I started trying to have relationships. I didnt want to act like a jerk, like a typical guy, because basically all the husbands had left their wives. My dad had gone. And my cousin across the yard, her dad had gone as well. So men werent very popular. And I didnt really have any kind of male figure to give me their side of the story. _______________________________________________________________________
Instead of queerness I think it's more about gender roles and traits - he's trying to find and accept his identity as a straight cis man that doesn't match the traditional "macho" masculine expectation. Being raised mostly around women he's had to navigate sex and identity without a male role model, picking up fragments from the female perspectives around him. "Hand-reared, one of a kind"
The line "my sex is neither him nor her" isn't claiming to be non binary but an alienation from traditional masculine behavior and energy. "My sex is hard to explain, You can't melt it down in the rain" his gender is self-defined as opposed to learned or inherited. His masculinity isn't fragile - it won't melt in the rain. But it's not something straighforward. He's not tethered to the conventional male narrative. He's open to viewing sex and love from different perspectives particularly those learned from the opposite sex.
"My sex is not forever, It's two silences stitched together" I love this line. At the core of intimacy is connection and quiet unspoken understanding, not performance or dominance.
"This love is too much to take in, what a strange love it's been" as a male he hasn't been socialised into handing emotional intimacy in the way women are and his understanding of love and sex is uncertain and overwhelming.
Sorry if I'm getting carried away here but I this is such a beautiful song. I think it runs the danger of many dismissing it as "just another song about single mothers and sex" but it's so much more. It's a really self aware reflection about not conforming to gender norms. Instead of pretending and faking bravado he is embracing his vulnerability, awkwardness and uncertainty. It's not rejecting his male identity but it's redefining it in his own personal way.
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