I had a tsunami of work these last few days and didn't have space to give this the attention it demands. Sitting down now to listen for the first time. No comments until after third or fourth listen.
enjoy a lot! And after that, make your pulp songs blog alive again! If Pulp could back after a 24 years hiatus, you can too XP
I keep saying I will, don't I? Still plan to, just don't have the time for it with my other projects, sadly.
I haven't had a chance to buy a CD today, meaning I'll have to pick one up on Sunday. Shame, I was hoping to buy the album on its release day, like fans did all those years ago... damn broken washing machine!
Good grief. I'm not really musically literate, but what a great album. I think it sits between HNH and WLL musically (and I just realised, the shimmering violin backing to Spike Island reminds me of Pink Glove)
Highlights on first listen:
Farmers Market (Will this title upset Mark as much as Miners' Strike?) Background Noise Partial Eclipse
One thing I noticed, sometimes C*cker sings over/between bars, but he finds a way to make it work (digestive biscuits in the air). I think it sounds unusual, but I like it, as of course I would.
Second listening starting...
-- Edited by Ste on Friday 6th of June 2025 10:25:54 PM
I haven't had a chance to buy a CD today, meaning I'll have to pick one up on Sunday. Shame, I was hoping to buy the album on its release day, like fans did all those years ago... damn broken washing machine!
If it makes you feel any better I haven't managed to pick up a physical copy yet, though I did check the supermarket earlier... I don't know why...
I haven't had a chance to buy a CD today, meaning I'll have to pick one up on Sunday. Shame, I was hoping to buy the album on its release day, like fans did all those years ago... damn broken washing machine!
If it makes you feel any better I haven't managed to pick up a physical copy yet, though I did check the supermarket earlier... I don't know why...
You dont know why, but you had to start it somewhere, so you started there?
In Hymn of the North when the somewhat discordant part starts and theres the lines trust and believe/ in you and me it sounds like theres some horrible modulating vocal effect. I havent heard anyone else mention it so is it just my ears? Its the only bit of the album I dislike.
In Hymn of the North when the somewhat discordant part starts and theres the lines trust and believe/ in you and me it sounds like theres some horrible modulating vocal effect. I havent heard anyone else mention it so is it just my ears? Its the only bit of the album I dislike.
Literally just logged in to post this it sounds like horrible auto tune just out of nowhere.
In Hymn of the North when the somewhat discordant part starts and theres the lines trust and believe/ in you and me it sounds like theres some horrible modulating vocal effect. I havent heard anyone else mention it so is it just my ears? Its the only bit of the album I dislike.
It's a bit weird yes, maybe a bad cut ? This is the bit i loved live, thought it really made the song, it was "catastrophic", like a big storm coming down after the sweet melody if you see what i mean. A plot twist if you will. But i dont think they managed to get it on the record. It falls a bit flat. it needed a bit more "grand" brass, strings and overall orchestra.
Yeah, it does sound like a bit that has been recorded separately and grafted on. Also I'm not sure on the dramatic Jaws-like theme, downward notes that the strings play - this is the only bit I'd swap for the live 2023 version where the strings also soar again a bit more epic-ly before the last section. Hopefully i get used to the album version as it is an absolute stunner of a song
Player of the Match for the album = Jarvis because I think, as a whole, these are his best lyrics. No standout talky-one like Last Summer or Wickerman but I'd buy the album just as a book of poems. The phrases he comes up with are remarkable.
But also, am I the only one who's sensing a lot of Mark influence on the album? It's covered in his signature flashes of sound and melodic touches. You have both the Different Class-style solos, and the atmospherics he added to the Hardcore era. For example, he really spices up the outro of My Sex, there's the drone of Background Noise, the tone of Grown Ups. It's all excellent.
Somehow, you can imagine Seductive Barry, Birds in Your Garden, Monday Morning, Acrylic Afternoons, whatever, ALL fitting on this album and working. That shouldn't be possible, but it is.
I'll be checking the supermarket now too for a physical copy when I go to do my grocery shopping! Sign of my age
Just logged in to say despite loving HOTN I agree about that vocal effect and while I actually like those weird notes (think that's what people are talking about with the 'discordant' bit), I prefer how it sounded live. It's just those 2 details which I think were better live. This is the thing with hearing it live first!
I've no real issue with autotune if it's used sparingly and not to completely dehumanize a voice. It's not that different to doing twenty takes to reach a note. I've had to use it myself on occasion (Melodyne).
But yeah, "premature live-itis" is a terrible affliction. I suffered badly with it on Further Complications and a bit with Beyond The Pale. The songs played in advance live had so much energy that I was a little bummed-out by the albums when they arrived with more mannered, sleek versions of the songs.
But this time round, thankfully, I think the studio versions generally win the day - Background Noise, My Sex, Spike Island, Got To Have Love, Farmers Market, A Partial Eclipse and A Sunset are all fully realised and there's nothing from the Youtube clips from live '23/'24 shows that I'd swap.
For me it's just getting used to the verses in Slow Jam (I could listen to the three choruses on-loop for days) and that small part of Hymn To The North that I need to sit with.
And Tina has so much energy live on the BBC gig, I'm having to adjust to the slightly smoother album cut.
Which just leaves Grown-Ups which has never been performed live and I'm still not fully convinced of the song. Maybe hearing it live after the album has come out might help me understand the plight of poor Jeremy Sissons (great name by the way - is he Minnie Timperely's uncle?).
-- Edited by Eamonn on Saturday 7th of June 2025 12:33:13 PM
It's really doing my head in: is it just apple music or is it like that on CD : Got to Have Love has a really bad sounds. Compared to other tracks, there is no dynamics, its so flat and vocals are so low in the mix.
Guys ? Someone who has the CD or vinyl ?
And still the feeling that the songs lacks cohesion, i dont know. Really feels like a greatest hits. All the songs are pretty good but it's a bit all over the place.
-- Edited by andy on Saturday 7th of June 2025 01:32:50 PM
The vinyl just arrived. I'm a little confused on the writing credits. All music for the songs written by Pulp. Does that mean the core 4 or the extended 9? Spotify lists all of them and I kind of assumed the 9.
But then on the exceptions (see attached pic), Jason Buckle is listed as a writer for Spike Island (nice to see Serafina still involved and getting a writing credit for Slow Jam and Partial Eclipse). Does that mean Jason didn't co-write the others?
It seems Jarvis is quite democratic with song credits. Nick, Candida and Mark get a a share of the publishing on the Jarv Is... songs and Emma/Rich/Adam/Andrew/Jason get a share of the songs from old Pulp (GTHL and Grown Ups).
I wonder if in the past Russell should have got a credit for Help The Aged (it was written in '96 when he was still in the band - unless he sulked and didn't get involved) while Mark has hinted in the past that there are songs on His'n'Hers that he did contribute to and possibly even Common People (which is probably worth more in publishing than...80%(?) of the rest of Pulp's catalogue?).
-- Edited by Eamonn on Saturday 7th of June 2025 01:32:56 PM
My understanding is that Pulp remains the original 4, and the others are just extra help (the aged). Don't believe streaming platforms they usually get things wrong.