why so shy on Partial eclipse? why the mystery? or they let us one last surprise...

Bookmark wrote:

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why so shy on Partial eclipse? why the mystery? or they let us one last surprise...

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 It's only been one mini-gig since the album was announced! Plenty of concerts in the summer for it to "come alive". Ditto Slow Jam. Or maybe it's too much of a faff to play live.

Partial Eclipse? Am I missing something or being thick.

What I will say, from some of the footage I've seen - if you have listened to alot of bootlegs especially around the 1992/3 period, I'd say the band sounded like that .....ya know, not massive sounding but instruments being loud like the drums, violin etc. proper excited me that did.

Maybe Russell had a point, eh?

Yes! Shades of Barcelona 96, for sure...

 

Would be lovely if there was a fan oriented intimate gig like that, but sadly not... 

Eamonn wrote:

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Setlist has been reported! Debuts for Tina and Grown-Ups" Dishes is back!

www.setlist.fm/setlist/pulp/2025/bbc-radio-theatre-london-england-13590199.html

1. Spike Island
2. Something Changed
3. Tina / Grown Ups
4. Dishes
5. Sorted for E's & Wizz
6. Disco 2000
7. Got to Have Love
8. Do You Remember the First Time?
9. Farmers Market
10. Sunrise
11. Common People
12. A Sunset

Looks so weird/brilliant to have so much new material enmeshed with classics. I wonder why Tina and Grown-Ups are lumped together? Something Changed early always seems off to me. A Sunset looks like it's gonna be a solid full stop on the shows/album.

Also, this ends Babies unbroken run of being performed at every Pulp show going back to....anyone know?

Sorry, does the above need to be in spoilers? I can't get it to work.

-- Edited by Eamonn on Wednesday 7th of May 2025 09:48:50 PM

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That's only the Radio 2 show isn't it.  Any setlist yet from the 6Music one too?  That was supposed to be the more 'for the fans' one.  

 

Hadn't thought of that, I assumed it was a segue but you're probably right!

Re the 6Music set, Mark and Pulp's social media have promised a couple of forgotten/surprising obscurities. I mean, their version of obscure is probably different to ours so if it's Acrylic Afternoons and Sylvia, I will leap for joy.

My job is putting on things like this for a similar organisation and tickets that are available in that kind of ballot process are only ever 25%ish of the total capacity. And then you probably have about a 1/5 chance in the ballot depending how many people enter. Unfortuantely it's all for invited guests, sponsors, stakeholders, people like that. Not particularly surprised this happened here too. At least Mark acknowledged it.

-- Edited by Violin Thing on Thursday 8th of May 2025 08:27:00 PM

Actually, yeah, they were still playing some small venues on the Different Class tour which seems mad given they had had two number two singles in the previous few months. I guess the tour was booked well in advance. Was there a call to upgrade any of those October '95 dates to bigger venues?

As I've grown older, I have come to realise how hard it must have veen in that Different Class era. The tour in autumn 1995 had obvioysly been booked into a certain size venue long before they realised what kind of success they had on their hands. They never really stopped to breathe at all in the 90s.

 

PS i was at that Newcastle arena one (my first concert ever!) & also that Grandaddy Uni gig with Snow Patrol. I remember them both like it were yesterday.

One of my favourite albums is the David Bowie BBC Radio Theatre one from 2000. I was just thinking yesterday how, at that time Bowie was a good 7 or 8 years younger than Pulp are presently... whuch kunda blew my mind! 

It is a bit of a shame that more "proper" fans couldnt get in. I make a slightly sarcastic comment of Josh Widdicombe's Instagram post, which i ever so slightly regret now. Of course he's going to go when offered because he is actually a fan.

-- Edited by weed on Friday 9th of May 2025 01:51:19 PM

Yeah, I thought that too - their setlist often shows the either or option in the encore only.

So we finally have TV transmission details:

Later With Jools Holland
Sunday 1st June 2025
BBC Two 22:00-22:45

With performances from Sheffield Britpop legends Pulp, Swedish rockers The Hives, American singer-songwriter Suzanne Vega, rising star Nectar Woode and London band Wunderhorse.

Pulp: Radio 2 In Concert
Sunday 1st June 2025
BBC Two 22:45-23:50 (starts 23:15 in Northern Ireland)

Pulp perform an intimate and exclusive show for BBC Radio 2 In Concert, with Jarvis ****er and the band playing some of their most-loved classic hits as well as exclusive tracks from their album More. Recorded at the BBC Radio Theatre in Londons Broadcasting House in front of a small audience of lucky fans, and introduced by Jo Whiley, this is a world exclusive from Jarvis, Candida Doyle, Nick Banks, Mark Webber and the band, playing hits including Something Changed, Disco 2000, Do You Remember the First Time?, Dishes, Sunrise, Sorted for Es & Wizz, and Common People, alongside new Pulp songs Spike Island, Tina, Got to Have Love, Farmers Market and A Sunset.

Sadly the 'Pulp theme night' I hoped for is a no-show - they've dedicated the whole of the Saturday evening to Bruce Springsteen instead.

Eamonn wrote:

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Well Pulp did dedicate "The Boss" to him...

So it was Tina and not Grown-Ups that was played at the Radio 2 concert.

Will the 6 Music session be broadcast in full on the 29th or in dribs and drabs across the day before being made available in full?

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 It's only mentioned in the listing on Nick Grimshaw's programme, so hopefully all together

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/schedules/bbc_6music/2025-05-29

Just heard RadMac on 6 Music saying they are having Candida on in "a couple of weeks" and a trail for Nick Grimshaw's Thursday programme saying he has an interview with Jarvis and Candida.

8 minute interview/video clips/rehearsal footage from that German TV show is now up:

https://www.ardmediathek.de/video/Y3JpZDovL2Rhc2Vyc3RlLmRlL3R0dCAtIHRpdGVsIHRoZXNlbiB0ZW1wZXJhbWVudGUvMGM2MWVhZWYtZmFlNS00ZDQ5LTkwYTgtNmQyN2I5MWUxMDEw

Eamonn wrote:

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There's some after-show party with Jo Wiley on Radio 2 on the 29th. Not sure exactly how it works. Do we have to go to the nearest Wetherspoons and let Webber and Doyle know what table we're on, so they can buy us a whiskey sour and a G&T ? 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002c9g3?fbclid=IwY2xjawKhmllleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHgJ-FuthLbGkEAJxyzF7L3UT4Zh82HbfqVAiMB5xYqZYZdtWARcAXBQ3dv1x_aem_tfscDSvJn84yiKZO97RpmA

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 I bet Banks would order us a side of mushy peas and chuckle to himself at the jape.

www.youtube.com/watch Disco 2000 is up on Youtube. It's a banger of a version.

Bloody hell, that's unexpected!

"Available until Sun 11:59pm" - presumably the BBC Two broadcast will 'replace' it.

Did they broadcast the whole show on the radio? Or are they holding back the encore for their Breakfast Show tomorrow, like they sometimes do?

Thanks Holtby, naturally I'll have to keep both, haha :)

For ease I've just published a news article on the Pulp Wiki site with all the relevant *official* links to the various versions of the BBC sessions: pulpwiki.net/

Thank you SO much!

JohnPaul_II wrote:

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Tina seems like a Pulp version of [Divine Comedy's Commuter Love] Not a bad thing!

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I had that thought too! I imagine we all have our own Tinas

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-- Edited by seductivebarry on Friday 30th of May 2025 09:26:09 AM

One thing to bear in mind with getting them off iPlayer is you're only getting 1280x720 resolution, plus that BBC logo in the top-left corner. I can sort out full/clean 1920x1080 interlaced versions of Later... and the TV broadcast on Monday if anyone wants them.

Just noticed they dropped Sunrise and A Sunset from the show. That some sort of joke on global warming...?!

Pip wrote:

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One thing to bear in mind with getting them off iPlayer is you're only getting 1280x720 resolution, plus that BBC logo in the top-left corner. I can sort out full/clean 1920x1080 interlaced versions of Later... and the TV broadcast on Monday if anyone wants them.

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 Sounds great to me. Thanks a lot, Pip!

Eamonn wrote:

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Tina...what a corker! It conjured-up images of the theme song from a 60s TV spy drama where our hero is forever looking for the love of his life. I can't believe how quickly the new songs are hitting after just one listen. Buzzing to hear the whole album now!

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 Oh, Tina is wonderful. So so good.

It's a candidate for Pulp top ten.

Eamonn wrote:

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Pip wrote:

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At the risk of sounding miserable/bitter/gatekeepery...

...that audience during Common People is a bit dead, innit? Sums up what people said about the vibe. Imagine what it could've been like with us lot in attendance, it would have gone OFF. See also: the laughter at the first line of 'Dishes'.

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The tell that it was a generic audience was how they reacted to the Dishes intro. Half the fcvkers, probably more, had clearly never heard it.

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The semi-chuckle at that point, when we know how many from here applied, and seeing the guest lists. I know it's a R2 issue, but it still rankles. But... what a ****ing day for us that notwithstanding!

-- Edited by Ste on Thursday 29th of May 2025 11:35:56 PM

The chorus melody line of Tina....I'm hearing echoes of "Me, Oh Myra!" by Blouse, which is a parody of a Pulp song. What a genius Chris Morris is. But Tina's still great, too!

seductivebarry wrote:

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Video download: limewire.com/d/2muuW

Audio download: limewire.com/d/mtC8G

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 Thanks seductivebarry for sharing this with us!! I will loop the show tomorrow while working!! 

Eamonn wrote:

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The chorus melody line of Tina....I'm hearing echoes of "Me, Oh Myra!" by Blouse, which is a parody of a Pulp song. What a genius Chris Morris is. But Tina's still great, too!

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 It's funny you say that as the spoken part of Spike Island, with the 'So swivel' bit always makes me think that could have been in 'Blouse'

Does anyone know what the chances of more media promotion are outside of the BBC? These sessions were such fun to watch.

Can't they kiss and make-up with Chris Evans and play a few songs on his Virgin Radio show next week? Seal that number one album spot etc.
I do chuckle when I think of Mark Webber's comment about Evans, the last time they played on TFI Friday. "He finally found out that we hated him".

Eamonn wrote:

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The chorus melody line of Tina....I'm hearing echoes of "Me, Oh Myra!" by Blouse, which is a parody of a Pulp song. What a genius Chris Morris is. But Tina's still great, too!

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 God the melody is so good, you know? The way it pushes upwards in the choruses and breaks through. So good.

Just listened to both of these in full. My initial thoughts on the new songs:

Slow Jam - I had listened to the Jarv Is version and wasn't overly impressed, I wouldn't have called it a complete disaster but equally nothing special. The Pulp version is a major improvement and I think that it will work well in the company of the other songs. The other members have clearly added a lot to this song.

Tina - I agree with the "Commuter Love" comparison but it reminds me of something else that I just can't put my finger on at the moment. It could be an outlier for a third single if such a thing is going to happen.

Partial Eclipse - this has vaulted right up into my all time favourite Pulp songs. I was expecting a fast song given that we already know how ballad-heavy the album is. It would have sat perfectly on any of the first five Scott Walker albums ("TV Series" aside) or any Divine Comedy album. I actually thought that the first 10 seconds of "This is Hardcore" were part of the outro to this song. It also sounds like an ideal companion piece to "Farmers Market".


And the old:

Seconds - a major surprise and sounds like it has had a lot of energy injected into it. Let's hope it is a mainstay.

Dishes - works well alongside some of the newer songs and with the string section.

We Are the Boyz - I have never been a massive fan of this, it's standard B-side material for me but it seems to come alive (notice what I did there?) on stage. I was listening to a live version from Boston in June 1998 the other week and thought it was pretty good. Perhaps it would work well alongside / instead of "Like a Friend" (though "The Professional" would be something else entirely)

The one on Sunday is the Jo Wiley one but with two extra songs.

Well done on the restraint, Superchob (super what? - chob. - oh)!

timahall wrote:

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seductivebarry wrote:

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The one on Sunday is the Jo Wiley one but with two extra songs.

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 What was the one that was in b&w then? It was a completely different concert. Did the BBC commission two Pulp live concert sessions to be broadcast at the same time? It's great, but very odd and confusing!

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There were two: a quieter set, broadcast in black and white and later that day (iirc) a ballot/invitational concert, which is the colour broadcast.

-- Edited by Ste on Friday 30th of May 2025 10:27:15 PM

I kept thinking Rich was Ant Genn sat back there. It's same the hair and liveliness

But Tina is tantalising and teasing! Plus, you love Hannon, don't you? So you'll like this.

Got To Have Love sounds absolutely ferocious on this recording, I agree, it's the best I've heard it. And Jarvis really goes for the spoken-word bit with the conviction required. It's a pity they didn't play it on Jools Holland.

-- Edited by Eamonn on Sunday 1st of June 2025 02:33:11 PM

Spike, Farmers and Something Changed apparently.

The same stage, different gigs. One with no audience for 6Music. One for privileged bastards, Radio 2.

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Eamonn wrote:

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The same stage, different gigs. One with no audience for 6Music. One for privileged bastards, Radio 2.

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Ok the second one is where Jarvis was almost fed up by the no reaction then 

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 Don't beat about the bush there, Eamonn I wondered why they were laughing at the opening line ti Dishes almost like they hadn't heard it before...maybe they hadn't ever heard it before...

He could make an effort with his hair, no kidding! 

It's the band I feel sorry for. Sunrise goes OFF and they're all just stood there FFS.

weej wrote:

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Watching this for the first time tonight, you are all correct about the rubbish audience, BBC really screwed us all over here.

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That didn't spoil it for me exactly, but I did smile at Jarvis's "wherever you've all come from..." comment. Broadcasting House mainly!

Did you complain to the Beeb in the end Weej?

Who was the extra guy at the back next to Adam, with the specs and the beard?

Did they really need to add MORE band members ? Feels like its a crowded stage a bit, doesn't it ? Do they really need that much people ?

The non-Pulp musicians all appear to be multi-disciplined, can play at least two instruments and in many cases more than that. So they all earn their stripes. Adam is perhaps the most expendable but he's still adding something different to each song.

Jarvis wants it to look like a proper show like he always did from the days of toilet roll and coloured liquids festooning the stage. I'm glad that they want to sound as good as possible too.

Also in his book, Mark mentions how they were always strong at overdubbing and layering songs in the studio. To get some of that flavour live, the four of Pulp including a keyboard player with compromised hands and a bassist replacement for Steve wouldn't be enough.

-- Edited by Eamonn on Monday 2nd of June 2025 12:00:16 PM