Is there really a market for WLL Demos ? i mean... Maybe in a boxset with other major Pulp records. 

 

But if they were on it it would be advertised more i guess.

-- Edited by andy on Thursday 10th of April 2025 01:22:05 PM

Well it mentions unreleased stuff from the whole career, so there better be not just live versions, but DEMOS and OUTTAKES :D

Until 2025, so we might get some bonus tracks from the More album session, even, can we dream. 

-- Edited by andy on Thursday 10th of April 2025 01:44:31 PM

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Anyone know the release date? Or should we wait 'til it drops through ArrGee's letterbox and we find it's five Motiv8 remixes and Glastonbury '95?? :)

Or is it going to be the other side of the spectrum? The full 1983 Fish & Breadcake concert?

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 My subscription says it is due on Wednesday 15 April.

I hope that this is how the Mojo readership gets introduced to The Will To Power.

-- Edited by lipglossed on Thursday 10th of April 2025 04:19:49 PM

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Luckily I got a Mojo subscription recently; 3 issues for £3.

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 Do you have a link? Only one I saw, was a fiver for three months, them locks you in for 6 months at normal price, thirty-something quid.

-- Edited by Eamonn on Thursday 10th of April 2025 05:03:17 PM

Already ordered! What a day to be a Pulp fan! :)

I'm extremely optimistic about this! In the absence of any further anthologies or collections - which we've heard Jarvis simply isn't interested in - this could be their chance to actually sneak out some bits and pieces for us, without making us buy the albums again to get them.

If More does the business, Universal will be more likely to show an interest in the Pulp catalogue and piggy-back on its success.

Hopefully its got Silence (Extended Mix) on it..

I think the disc will only be versions of Silence. 25 of them.

Yes sort of - recent issue had Wilco and a Wilco CD of 'stuff'. I dont know Wilco but I get the mag from the library and occasionally purchase.

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Do Mojo have form for releasing a front cover CD for an archive of one particular artist? 

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 Yes.  Nick Cave and Pearl Jam in recent times. Nick Cave - 14 tracks; Pearl Jam - 10 tracks.

Also Kinks, Depeche Mode and Bob Dylan.

https://www.45worlds.com/cdalbum/label/mojo-magazine/10

yes recently they did a John Lennon one and all the material was taken from a John Lennon boxset. Its always a mixture of live, maybe a demo, non-album-y stuff. I'll b excited to see it staring back at me at the newsagent come June. This from a person who buys old issues of Select, NME, Melody Makers, The Face from ebay pretty regulalry.

Unreleased song Sliding Through Life on Charm

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Oh that's kinda disappoiting.

the unheard song is from marianne faithfull record

pulpwiki.net/Jarvis/SlidingThroughLifeOnCharm

 

from pulpwiki: "Pulp originally wrote this song in 1999, but the track was completed in 2001. Its unclear whether the released version incorporates the 1999 recording, or was entirely re-recorded in 2001." 

 

so there we go we officially have the first WLL demo released 

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-- Edited by andy on Friday 11th of April 2025 02:13:12 PM

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 I agree, felt a bit let down when I saw the tracklisting. Especially since a lot of the live stuff is available in a similar form on FEELINGCALLEDLIVE

Well we couldnt expect something big from a magazine giveaway. Those are never rare nor amazing. Its always mostly live stuff or the odd bside.

but the fact that the WLL era song is on it is interesting. Means it has been revisited and could be a teaser for a later release ?

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Well, we don't know which versions these are yet.

And isn't this the first time What Do You Say? has been on CD?

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We'll see but my bet is 

Live: all the songs we have heard for years

Rare: What do you say

Unreleased: Sliding

Glad I didn't get my hopes up too much (Edit: Posted before seeing the details of the tracks).

Duck Diving....the Peel version or live from the band's archive, I wonder. Curious to see which versions these are. It's a nice compilation.

What about Mark's fave though, " The Last Song In The World" ?

Hopefully it means Jarvis is more amenable to the archives being plundered after More wins them a second Mercury prize.

 

 

-- Edited by Eamonn on Friday 11th of April 2025 02:45:49 PM

you had me at demo 1999

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Babies from 2009? Pulp were hibernating then...
Trees rehearsal is cool. SSC was on the DVD extras for the Pulp film. I think Jarvis and Steve mixed the whole gig didn't they? The Goodier 1992 session was one of the first and best they ever did. Was Sliding...previously marked as a Pulp '99 demo? Its a nice nod to Marianne.

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Babies 2009 is from "The 2nd John Lennon 'Imagine' Appeal Benefit Concert" in Manchester. Jarvis Solo concert

https://pulpwiki.net/Jarvis/16April2009ManchesterRoyalNorthernCollegeOfMusicManchester

-- Edited by hugomrtnzz on Friday 11th of April 2025 02:47:53 PM

I'm encouraged that they've left the WLL demos intact. It leaves room still for a comprehensive treatment.

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 Yeah :( I was saying on BlueSky I get WHY but also found it sad to see him missing

The acoustic Babies is a bit of a cheat as it's Jarvis, not Pulp, with Tim McCall (RIP).

Also, is it "Trees" or "The Trees"? I never understood you really and I know it's too late now.

Speaking of which, just like live Pulp in the 2020s, this CD also underrepresents the This Is Hardcore era (despite the cover picture being from that time.). At least we're getting Grown-Ups though.

-- Edited by Eamonn on Friday 11th of April 2025 03:44:33 PM

That tracklisting is considerably better than I expected version-wise, I thought it'd be a bunch of stuff that would only be new to casual fans

The Sliding... 1999 demo is the big one for me.

Trees rehearsal in 2023... bloody tease.

According to Pulpwiki, Candida didn't appear on "Sliding Thru Life On Charm". The lyrics of the final version are clearly written with Marianne Faithful in mind so I imagine the ones from this original version are quite different. It's a good song and a nice inclusion.

Thinking of Mark's book and him talking about this period, I wonder did they consider including something from the "Wild Side" soundtrack that he, Steve and Jarvis worked on as that's unlikely to find a logical home in future reissue projects.

I think there's a good chance of it being the Marples gig

Well, it does say it's a live version. And the band certainly have access to the Marples recording...

What are the details of how thr band have the Marples gig? Can't remember the guys name who was selling it, but I do know he 'wanted' to play it to Jarvis.

 

I would also assume that any early 80s stuff that Russell had - like the Bath gig - would have been copied for Mark W at some point, so the band would probably have access to that.

I mean that would be heaven but I think too niche for Radio 2. Another big live thing? Maybe admitting that they are actually doing Glastonbury.

-- Edited by Eamonn on Saturday 12th of April 2025 10:31:53 PM

It wont be another release. Anything to detract from More sales would be counter-productive. And its a few weeks too early for the second single.

How about a couple of European dates for the autumn?

Radio 2 listeners don't care about a European tour, reissues or even that much about a new UK tour.

No, I think Ester is right. Pulp announcing live on BBC Radio 2 that they are playing/headlining Radio Two In The Park is the most logical thing.

They often have legacy/heritage/classic acts playing.
If true, I guess it would mean Glastonbury is further more unlikely, I guess.

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Radio 2 listeners don't care about a European tour, reissues or even that much about a new UK tour.

No, I think Ester is right. Pulp announcing live on BBC Radio 2 that they are playing/headlining Radio Two In The Park is the most logical thing.

They often have legacy/heritage/classic acts playing.
If true, I guess it would mean Glastonbury is further more unlikely, I guess.

-- Edited by Eamonn on Sunday 13th of April 2025 11:19:00 AM

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 Last year was Manics and Shed Seven wasnt it, so makes sense

Pets and Sting in Preston. It would be amazing to go back to Preston the Radio 2 thing, sadly it aint gonna happen. Stanley Park Blackpool would be my next bet if need be lol.

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Anyone know the release date? Or should we wait 'til it drops through ArrGee's letterbox and we find it's five Motiv8 remixes and Glastonbury '95?? :)

Or is it going to be the other side of the spectrum? The full 1983 Fish & Breadcake concert?

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 My subscription says it is due on Wednesday 15 April.

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 Looks like some subscribers got theirs early, there's already a few CDs (with or without the magazine) for sale on eBay.

No idea just how against the rules this is, but here it is in FLAC.

I would say that it is against the rules. However, as most people don't have CD players/drives nowadays, I think that one person ripping it and sharing with others who have bought the CD is justified. It would probably be more appropriate to share the link with people privately.

Same for 7". I'd love a 7inch single for Spike Island. It would be cool to see some kind of boxset of all the pulp single in several formats, like suede did for their singles and albums

thanx for the link !

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I suspect cost is why they don't do that.  Paul Wellers last LP, 66, was released as six singles for £66 or so.  The 13 singles from Lip Gloss to Bad Cover Version would retail at close to £150.  Though I guess there are a few here that would buy them. 

Where is Ste? He ain't been seen for years. If anything could bring him back, surely it would be Pulp Come Alive In '25?

On His'n'Hers on the Mojo CD they also seem to have added in a couple of "What makes you frightened?" responses from the Butt Naked TV appearance. Thankfully, they've chosen this version as the wasps/bees Jarvis monologue is un-paralleled.

Also, seems I was wrong about Sliding Thru Life On Charm - the words were always written for Marianne Faithful. There's a fair bit of chugging guitar on this (Candida's absence clearly felt) but it's still a decent song with some fantastic lyrics.

Feeling Called Love (can't do the caps, sorry), it's just another kinda boring Moloko remix, unfortunately.
The Babies acoustic with Jarvis and Tim is well-performed. There's a nice moment when the audience recognise the guitar line near the start.

It's a fascinating selection, all told.

I do hope, as has been suggested on here, that this CD is a taster for a full anthology Pulp release in the next year or two. How amazing would that be? There could be several discs-worth of stuff on there. I guess it would be regarded as more sellable than a WLL deluxe.

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Where is Ste? He ain't been seen for years. If anything could bring him back, surely it would be Pulp Come Alive In '25?

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He has always been a huge Pulp fan (well, of course, he created this forum)

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Its a shame the old pulp.gb.com disappeared many years ago and never was resurrected.  The forum was somewhat incidental.  I think many of the posts from the original forum made their way on here, so they were preserved, but alas the website content is long lost.

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Luckily, it's all in the Internet Archive. Sté's reviews were great, I often go back and re-read them.

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 Added a sticky post linking to the archive. It's like time travel.

Ok Sliding Through... sounds a bit like a throaway I have not heard the released version, but yeah, bside at best.

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The background image certainly still exists on archive.org. Is there any way we might be able to get it reinstated for old times' sake?

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The moderators dont have access to change things like the page layout, so you are stuck with it as it stands unless the administrator returns.  

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Luckily, it's all in the Internet Archive. Sté's reviews were great, I often go back and re-read them.

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 Added a sticky post linking to the archive. It's like time travel.

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I didn't realise Steve D still had ultimate control of this forum. Does that potentially mean we're potentially living on borrowed time somewhat? Like if some techy thing (I don't know what) happens that requires admin intervention, we'd be stuffed. ArrGee is it worth getting in touch with Activeboard and asking if you can be given full control, given the circs?

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Activeboard is pretty good in that it will run itself without any interference.  I have administered another for 20 years or so after an err hostile takeover and havent raised a support ticket since 2013.  If something extreme did occur, I can get in contact but there are lots of activeboard forums out there and there is no reason to believe anything untoward will happen.

Got it at WHSmiths at lunchtime (soon to disappear from the high street). Nice little editorial bit too from John Mulvey about his first encounter with the group (OU launch). Look forward to reading the article later. Had a glance and they've paid homage to Russell and Steve too so it seems properly researched and written. Pretty sure the journalist has done articles and interviews on Pulp/Jarvis before.