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Cor, they still exist? Clearly I need to leave the beautiful south and hit the north.

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So I have given this a few listens now and I think it's perfectly good, pleasant, and I enjoy it, but it doesn't come close to hitting the giddy stratospheres of Pulp's best stuff.

A bit safe perhaps? A surprisingly radio-friendly length when maybe Pulp should have reasserted themselves as the reigning champions of the 7 minute wig-out.

I'd say it sits pretty well with Jarvis' recent solo output: like this could have been slipped into "Jarv Is" and you'd be none-the-wiser. Not a bad thing necessarily - I do like "Jarv Is" quite a bit and I don't think it get enough respect. Those saying Spike Island is Jarv's best work since WLL or whatever I think are glossing over more than a few solid bangers, most notably "Must I Evolve", which I am genuinely sad may never get a live dusting off ever again.

Lyrically I'm not sure what the references to Spike Island have to do with the rest of the song. I presume Jarvis is referring to the infamous Stone Roses gig, and I am aware that some people in England consider that to be a seminal event in music history, but to be honest the Stone Roses never resonated with me and the cultural significance of that event is a bit lost on me, so maybe I just don't get what this song is trying to say.

I am excited for the album though. Think it's gunna be ace. Glad we can now safely expect new setlists this summer as well. Hopefully audiences will be receptive too the new material.

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Eamonn wrote:

Cor, they still exist? Clearly I need to leave the beautiful south and hit the north.




They do and some (in this area at least) are still doing quite well.

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Following lifted from Jarvis Cocker facebook page, where he is credited as Director:

 

"I was told that someone was interested in investigating A.I. & did I have any ideas?

The first idea I had was to animate the photographs that Rankin & Donald Milne took for Different Class: after all, back in 1995 they had been an 'artificial' way of dropping us into real-life situations & getting an album cover done whilst we were too busy recording the music for that album to pose for pictures. No brainer.

It was my initial idea to produce a kind of 'making of' video that showed how the photos had come to be taken but as soon as I fed the first shot into the A.I. app I realised that wasnt going to happen. So I decided to 'go with the flow' & see where the computer led me.

All the moving images featured in the video are the result of me feeding in a still image & then typing in a 'prompt' such as: 'The black & white figure remains still whilst the bus in the background drives off' which led to the sequence where the coach weirdly slides towards the cut-out of me.

The weekend I began work on the video was a strange time: I went out of the house & kept expecting weird transformations of the surrounding environment due to the images the computer had been generating. The experience had marked me. I dont know whether Ive recovered yet..

I have to thank Julian House for some expert post-production work & Rankin & Donald for allowing me to use their work in this way. As it says in text at the end of the video, I think what they did for Pulp back in 1995 was 'Human Intelligence at its best.'

My final thought? H.I. Forever!"

x Jarvis



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is the mv of Aerial Troubles by Stereolab an ai mv?

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Just checked the singles chart for the first time in about a million years & Spike Island is at 98 in the midweek chart.

It's all irrelevant these days, I suppose but it's nice to see that people are listening to it.



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weed wrote:

Just checked the singles chart for the first time in about a million years & Spike Island is at 98 in the midweek chart.

It's all irrelevant these days, I suppose but it's nice to see that people are listening to it.

The singles chart is dictated by passive streams - i.e. the songs algorithms pick for people who just let things play. There's minimal active preferences/choices that go into it. That's why it has become effectively obsolete now. And why only the album chart (which weighs physical purchases with significant factoring) is the only one that is valued.



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So it didn't make the top 100 singles chart but it is number 19 on the singles sales chart.

Can someone please explain the charts to a 41 year old?

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Ian wrote:

So it didn't make the top 100 singles chart but it is number 19 on the singles sales chart.

Can someone please explain the charts to a 41 year old?

The "Official Singles Chart" (Top 100) is the main chart and counts physical sales and downloads plus there's an algorithm to convert the amount of streams to sales (the base ratio is that 150 streams equals 1 sale, but there are circumstances where this ratio varies). Generally it's very difficult for bands that have been around for more than 20 years to have any impact on this chart, as they get far fewer streams that all the modern pop hits that the younger generation listen to.

For the "Official Singles Sales Chart", all the streaming data is removed, so it represents physical sales/downloads only. As you say, Spike Island is number 19 on that chart.

There's also the "Official Singles Downloads Chart". As the name implies, this is download sales only. Spike Island made it to number 8 on this chart.

There's an "Official Physical Singles Chart" too, but unfortunately Pulp haven't done a physical release of Spike Island so far. If they did, it's likely it would get to number 1.



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Thanks. It is quite interesting if you look at
https://www.officialcharts.com/artist/29508/pulp/

The reissue of "Everybody's Problem" got to number 5 in the vinyl singles chart! What's next? A double a-side of "Silence" and "Fairground" being number 1? biggrin

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You only need to sell a few hundred now to get a number 1 in the physical chart. A mate of mine got has a Xmas number 1 in that chart.

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If Pulp had released a vinyl and put the song out on a Friday, how high could it have gone in the official charts? I think the indie flavour of the 20's - Fontaines D.C. have only recently had their first Top 40 ( at 39!) when their coverage and plaudits have increased after every subsequent album (four LPs in now). Gives an indication as to how difficult it is these days.

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Eamonn wrote:

If Pulp had released a vinyl and put the song out on a Friday, how high could it have gone in the official charts? I think the indie flavour of the 20's - Fontaines D.C. have only recently had their first Top 40 ( at 39!) when their coverage and plaudits have increased after every subsequent album (four LPs in now). Gives an indication as to how difficult it is these days.

The phenomenon is called passive streaming.

 

https://x.com/MrTomGray/status/1816103171514617944



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Browsing reddit, noticed some remixes popping up on youtube:

instrumental Pulp - Spike Island (karaoke)

audacity Pulp - Spike Island (The Audacity Remix 2025)

I don't have a clue about buying music as downloads, so possibly you're all familiar with all of these already as part of the 'single' release.  



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(Might get a double post here, one went missing)

So, found via reddit that there are other versions of Spike Island on youtube:

Pulp - Spike Island (The Audacity Remix 2025)

Pulp - Spike Island (karaoke) - YouTube

Are these commercially available as part of the 'single' release? I'm hopeless with downloads, I have no idea, can't even figure where to buy Spike Island if I wanted to.

Edit: I think these are remixes people have just made themselves, so please ignore me.



-- Edited by inspirit on Monday 21st of April 2025 05:36:05 PM

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Always interesting to hear the instrumental versions. As an aside, I was looking for a karaoke version of The Professional. Anyone know if it's knocking-about? Surely AI is good for this type of shi'.

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inspirit wrote:

(Might get a double post here, one went missing)

-- Edited by inspirit on Monday 21st of April 2025 05:36:05 PM



It was marked as a "SPAM comment", possibly because of the YouTube links. I have approved it.

I don't think that these are official remixes. They sound very fan-made to me. I have some software somewhere that attempts to remove vocals so I will try it with "The Professional". I tried it in the past with a few Pulp songs and achieved varying results.

-- Edited by Ian on Monday 21st of April 2025 06:09:36 PM



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Ian wrote:

 

It was marked as a "SPAM comment", possibly because of the YouTube links. I have approved it.

I don't think that these are official remixes. They sound very fan-made to me. I have some software somewhere that attempts to remove vocals so I will try it with "The Professional". I tried it in the past with a few Pulp songs and achieved varying results.

-- Edited by Ian on Monday 21st of April 2025 06:09:36 PM

 Thanks, noted, will avoid direct youtube links in future.



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youtube User remixes.

There will also be soon 90s AI version of Pulp Spike Island, Spike Island as sung by the Beatles. By Oasis, by Blur. You name it. They are fun content, but in no way official.

Like this one

 



-- Edited by andy on Tuesday 22nd of April 2025 07:38:28 AM

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