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Cor, they still exist? Clearly I need to leave the beautiful south and hit the north.

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So I have given this a few listens now and I think it's perfectly good, pleasant, and I enjoy it, but it doesn't come close to hitting the giddy stratospheres of Pulp's best stuff.

A bit safe perhaps? A surprisingly radio-friendly length when maybe Pulp should have reasserted themselves as the reigning champions of the 7 minute wig-out.

I'd say it sits pretty well with Jarvis' recent solo output: like this could have been slipped into "Jarv Is" and you'd be none-the-wiser. Not a bad thing necessarily - I do like "Jarv Is" quite a bit and I don't think it get enough respect. Those saying Spike Island is Jarv's best work since WLL or whatever I think are glossing over more than a few solid bangers, most notably "Must I Evolve", which I am genuinely sad may never get a live dusting off ever again.

Lyrically I'm not sure what the references to Spike Island have to do with the rest of the song. I presume Jarvis is referring to the infamous Stone Roses gig, and I am aware that some people in England consider that to be a seminal event in music history, but to be honest the Stone Roses never resonated with me and the cultural significance of that event is a bit lost on me, so maybe I just don't get what this song is trying to say.

I am excited for the album though. Think it's gunna be ace. Glad we can now safely expect new setlists this summer as well. Hopefully audiences will be receptive too the new material.

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Eamonn wrote:

Cor, they still exist? Clearly I need to leave the beautiful south and hit the north.




They do and some (in this area at least) are still doing quite well.

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Following lifted from Jarvis Cocker facebook page, where he is credited as Director:

 

"I was told that someone was interested in investigating A.I. & did I have any ideas?

The first idea I had was to animate the photographs that Rankin & Donald Milne took for Different Class: after all, back in 1995 they had been an 'artificial' way of dropping us into real-life situations & getting an album cover done whilst we were too busy recording the music for that album to pose for pictures. No brainer.

It was my initial idea to produce a kind of 'making of' video that showed how the photos had come to be taken but as soon as I fed the first shot into the A.I. app I realised that wasnt going to happen. So I decided to 'go with the flow' & see where the computer led me.

All the moving images featured in the video are the result of me feeding in a still image & then typing in a 'prompt' such as: 'The black & white figure remains still whilst the bus in the background drives off' which led to the sequence where the coach weirdly slides towards the cut-out of me.

The weekend I began work on the video was a strange time: I went out of the house & kept expecting weird transformations of the surrounding environment due to the images the computer had been generating. The experience had marked me. I dont know whether Ive recovered yet..

I have to thank Julian House for some expert post-production work & Rankin & Donald for allowing me to use their work in this way. As it says in text at the end of the video, I think what they did for Pulp back in 1995 was 'Human Intelligence at its best.'

My final thought? H.I. Forever!"

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Just checked the singles chart for the first time in about a million years & Spike Island is at 98 in the midweek chart.

It's all irrelevant these days, I suppose but it's nice to see that people are listening to it.



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Just checked the singles chart for the first time in about a million years & Spike Island is at 98 in the midweek chart.

It's all irrelevant these days, I suppose but it's nice to see that people are listening to it.

The singles chart is dictated by passive streams - i.e. the songs algorithms pick for people who just let things play. There's minimal active preferences/choices that go into it. That's why it has become effectively obsolete now. And why only the album chart (which weighs physical purchases with significant factoring) is the only one that is valued.



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So it didn't make the top 100 singles chart but it is number 19 on the singles sales chart.

Can someone please explain the charts to a 41 year old?

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So it didn't make the top 100 singles chart but it is number 19 on the singles sales chart.

Can someone please explain the charts to a 41 year old?

The "Official Singles Chart" (Top 100) is the main chart and counts physical sales and downloads plus there's an algorithm to convert the amount of streams to sales (the base ratio is that 150 streams equals 1 sale, but there are circumstances where this ratio varies). Generally it's very difficult for bands that have been around for more than 20 years to have any impact on this chart, as they get far fewer streams that all the modern pop hits that the younger generation listen to.

For the "Official Singles Sales Chart", all the streaming data is removed, so it represents physical sales/downloads only. As you say, Spike Island is number 19 on that chart.

There's also the "Official Singles Downloads Chart". As the name implies, this is download sales only. Spike Island made it to number 8 on this chart.

There's an "Official Physical Singles Chart" too, but unfortunately Pulp haven't done a physical release of Spike Island so far. If they did, it's likely it would get to number 1.



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Thanks. It is quite interesting if you look at
https://www.officialcharts.com/artist/29508/pulp/

The reissue of "Everybody's Problem" got to number 5 in the vinyl singles chart! What's next? A double a-side of "Silence" and "Fairground" being number 1? biggrin

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You only need to sell a few hundred now to get a number 1 in the physical chart. A mate of mine got has a Xmas number 1 in that chart.

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If Pulp had released a vinyl and put the song out on a Friday, how high could it have gone in the official charts? I think the indie flavour of the 20's - Fontaines D.C. have only recently had their first Top 40 ( at 39!) when their coverage and plaudits have increased after every subsequent album (four LPs in now). Gives an indication as to how difficult it is these days.

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Eamonn wrote:

If Pulp had released a vinyl and put the song out on a Friday, how high could it have gone in the official charts? I think the indie flavour of the 20's - Fontaines D.C. have only recently had their first Top 40 ( at 39!) when their coverage and plaudits have increased after every subsequent album (four LPs in now). Gives an indication as to how difficult it is these days.

The phenomenon is called passive streaming.

 

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Browsing reddit, noticed some remixes popping up on youtube:

instrumental Pulp - Spike Island (karaoke)

audacity Pulp - Spike Island (The Audacity Remix 2025)

I don't have a clue about buying music as downloads, so possibly you're all familiar with all of these already as part of the 'single' release.  



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(Might get a double post here, one went missing)

So, found via reddit that there are other versions of Spike Island on youtube:

Pulp - Spike Island (The Audacity Remix 2025)

Pulp - Spike Island (karaoke) - YouTube

Are these commercially available as part of the 'single' release? I'm hopeless with downloads, I have no idea, can't even figure where to buy Spike Island if I wanted to.

Edit: I think these are remixes people have just made themselves, so please ignore me.



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Always interesting to hear the instrumental versions. As an aside, I was looking for a karaoke version of The Professional. Anyone know if it's knocking-about? Surely AI is good for this type of shi'.

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(Might get a double post here, one went missing)

-- Edited by inspirit on Monday 21st of April 2025 05:36:05 PM



It was marked as a "SPAM comment", possibly because of the YouTube links. I have approved it.

I don't think that these are official remixes. They sound very fan-made to me. I have some software somewhere that attempts to remove vocals so I will try it with "The Professional". I tried it in the past with a few Pulp songs and achieved varying results.

-- Edited by Ian on Monday 21st of April 2025 06:09:36 PM



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It was marked as a "SPAM comment", possibly because of the YouTube links. I have approved it.

I don't think that these are official remixes. They sound very fan-made to me. I have some software somewhere that attempts to remove vocals so I will try it with "The Professional". I tried it in the past with a few Pulp songs and achieved varying results.

-- Edited by Ian on Monday 21st of April 2025 06:09:36 PM

 Thanks, noted, will avoid direct youtube links in future.



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youtube User remixes.

There will also be soon 90s AI version of Pulp Spike Island, Spike Island as sung by the Beatles. By Oasis, by Blur. You name it. They are fun content, but in no way official.

Like this one

 



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Spike Island, the single?

But a single means B-Sides, right? Right?

https://www.exlibris.ch/de/musik/vinyl-schallplatten/pulp/spike-island/id/0191402054576/



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Have they misnamed the album? Date is showing as June 6th and that price looks too high for a single.

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Giles Acrylic is reporting that a 7" single of Spike Island is coming out on May 23rd. There is a b-side, Open Strings which is the bonus track on the Japanese edition of More.

A pity they couldn't have released this when the digital version started streaming. It might have got into the proper charts. Also, I wonder does it mean we have to wait til after the album comes out for a second single (if there is one).

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What does "the only completed song to be recorded in the album sessions" mean? As in, it hadn't been written in advance? I had assumed it might be an Elysian instrumental but the fact it's described as a "song" suggests that Jarvis vocalises on it, hopefully.



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Yeah it does not make any sense.

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I wonder if the A side is an edit or the full version?

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Giles Acrylic is reporting that a 7" single of Spike Island is coming out on May 23rd. There is a b-side, Open Strings which is the bonus track on the Japanese edition of More.

A pity they couldn't have released this when the digital version started streaming. It might have got into the proper charts. Also, I wonder does it mean we have to wait til after the album comes out for a second single (if there is one).

 

There isn't an effective single chart any more.  It doesn't mean anything. They are just 'drops' to promote album sales. 



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It's been described differently on the Bandcamp page: "The Spike Island 7" single is out on May 23, and what's more it will be backed on its B-side by a brand new track that won't feature on the band's forthcoming album. A gently building, melodic meditation, Open Strings will initially only be available on the reverse of the single."

Doesn't look like it will be available digitally at the moment, just on vinyl. (And the Japanese CD, of course)

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I wonder did they record any more bonus material. Three weeks in the studio isn't a lot of time, especially with so many musicians involved, so I guess anything else is a bonus bonus.

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Boo, they've updated the press-release to say that Open Strings is the only OTHER song completed in the album sessions so I guess that answers that!

A further physical single seems less likely now (although maybe not if they get best pal Alexis Hot Chip to do a remix of Got To Have Love etc.).

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7" was described variously by retailers as very / super / extremely limited, etc. which I assumed was hyperbole... yet already showing sold out at Resident, Bear Tree, Vinilo, Mixed Up, South.

Which then triggered me to panic buy from Rough Trade, then when I looked on Jumbo Records they had it a quid cheaper, and less P&P. Nuts.

I guess RT will have loads of copies, but if you feel you need a plastic copy, probably better to order now.

Edit: charging £6.51pp for a 7", which seems as swizz, since they're only charging me £6.51pp for 3 More LPs, CD, cassette, and all the stickers, posters, signs and t-shirts they come with. Wish I could learn to think about money before spending it. Instead, I wander insouciantly away from the bar, and my friend says 'do you know you just paid £9 for a pint?'... then I need another to get over the shock.



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I'm tight (also semi unemployed) so walking 6 miles to rough trade to pick mine up

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7" was described variously by retailers as very / super / extremely limited, etc. which I assumed was hyperbole... yet already showing sold out at Resident, Bear Tree, Vinilo, Mixed Up, South.

 


-- Edited by inspirit on Wednesday 7th of May 2025 01:06:11 AM

 

I expect they get the pre-orders in, then manufacture say about 20% more.  So if they only get 5 pre-orders, it will actually be 'super limited' to 6.  Whereas if they get 10,000 pre-orders, it will be 'super limited' to 12,000.  



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I'm tight (also semi unemployed) so walking 6 miles to rough trade to pick mine up

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Shipping to the US for the preorder cost almost as much as the single itself but here I am, the fool who paid it.

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I'm tight (also semi unemployed) so walking 6 miles to rough trade to pick mine up

 I'm also tight, and also semi-unemployed this year, but the nearest record shop that sells 7" is 41 miles away, so that's nixed the walking. It's daft for me to spend all that money on physical music, but with Pulp it's obsession, I think.



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I'd buy if it was on CD. I think I'll take the day off work to go and buy the album on CD in a bricks and mortar shop. Don't have a record player and just not awash with money right now. I'll buy CDs or other useful things like the tea caddy from the last tour

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Spike Island is still on Radio 2's A-List playlist.
It's not on 6 Music's playlist at all, presumably they change it more frequently.

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AA posted this last week. Are these good stats? I assume so. They read like my Spotify numbers... albeit they're for individual listeners, not radio plays!!

 

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Some folk have received the vinyl single already. How's Open Strings - is it a song or an instrumental?

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A song!

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I'd like to know if the A Side is the full version or not? Thanks in advance! 



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Just recieved 7" & Open Strings is a song & a quite beautiful one too. I could hear a little bit of Someone Like The Moon in there.

It's a proper song with words, guitar & erm strings!



-- Edited by weed on Friday 23rd of May 2025 03:40:09 PM



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"How low does love go?" And how low can Jarvis' vocals go these days? He may have never said he was deep, but says things very deeply these days. Another superb, and moving, Pulp b-side, from one on the best b-sider bands that ever were. Also excellent to hear Spike Island through a proper amp, much more bass, and fuller sound.

Another thread is speaking of 30 years since Common People, and I remember how excited I was with music in 1995 - and this years getting more exciting. New Suede, Patrick Wolf back after a lost decade, and Spike Island, Got To Have Love, and More to come, set to the warmest best spring / early summer for years. Good time for me to have a full on mid-life crisis and revert to teenage decadence again.



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Any link where we can hear "OPEN STRINGS"?

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Couldnt find any link or rip yet.

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Links won't be shared on here so we'll have to buy the vinyl or wait on other sources.



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Links won't be shared on here so we'll have to buy the vinyl or wait on other sources.

 I bought the japanese version, but wouldnt mind a teaser before i receive the record biggrin



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Agreed, it's a lovely B-side. The way the song emerges gradually out of the chord at the start, and melts back into it at the end, feels like a homage to The Day After the Revolution (though it's not actually the same note).

I've had a stab at transcribing the lyrics but as usual there's a few I can't make out, at the start of the second verse.



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how low does love go
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Links won't be shared on here so we'll have to buy the vinyl or wait on other sources.

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Links won't be shared on here so we'll have to buy the vinyl or wait on other sources.

 if there's a link it will be on reddit (Wednesdaywhisper.gif)

 

Cool ! ive not yet received the album, sometimes with japanese versions they come sooner, but not this time. I'm really intrigued by this songs, people who heard it praise it. Will it be another Girls Like It Too, another Laughing Boy, another, another... great Pulp bside ? 



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it'll be if you love spoken words songs with piano and strings, a complete opposite to Spike Island

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it'll be if you love spoken words songs with piano and strings, a complete opposite to Spike Island

 

Well Room 29 is among my fav records ever, not just Jarvis related, so it's likely biggrin



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I bought the 7" and once again i'm pissed off at Rough Trade for not supplying it with a download. Is there no mp3s of Open Strings at all?

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They're even selling it through Bandcamp and haven't provided an automatic digital download. **** Rough Trade, really.



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it'll be if you love spoken words songs with piano and strings, a complete opposite to Spike Island

 

Well Room 29 is among my fav records ever, not just Jarvis related, so it's likely biggrin

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I bought the 7" and once again i'm pissed off at Rough Trade for not supplying it with a download. Is there no mp3s of Open Strings at all?

I'm the same, I have scoured Reddit and YouTube but cannot find it anywhere. Hopefully the Japanese version of the album will appear on streaming (the Blur one did) with the bonus track.



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The Japanese version of the album will pop up on Soulseek too i'm sure.

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It's on reddit

no direct link : https://www.reddit.com/r/PulpBand/comments/1ktma6l/spike_island_single/



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Wow, I didn't even know that was still going.

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It's on reddit

no direct link : https://www.reddit.com/r/PulpBand/comments/1ktma6l/spike_island_single/



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Thank yoooooou.



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It's on reddit

no direct link : https://www.reddit.com/r/PulpBand/comments/1ktma6l/spike_island_single/



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HERO. And it FLAC wowooo thanx. 

It's amazing, sounds a bit more like Jarvis first solo record though. He can do no wrong with songs like those. 

If that's a bside, More is gonna be epic. 



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Great start like the one in Tenet within the opera, too monotone for me it lacks something maybe a climax or a clear melody, but I think it'll grow after multiple listenings

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Great start like the one in Tenet within the opera, too monotone for me it lacks something maybe a climax or a clear melody, but I think it'll grow after multiple listenings

 

With any other artist, i would agree about the climax and melody. But i Dont know, Jarvis has that magic, he can sing the phone book and it sounds great. I love his soft spoken songs, he's invented that. 



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Yep it sounds Jarv is + Elysian Collective not really Pulp, where is Candida ?

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Yep it sounds Jarv is + Elysian Collective not really Pulp, where is Candida ?

Unfortunately, i think Candida cant really play anymore. From the bits i've seen (the Spike Island from Jonathan Ross), looks like her problems have gotten worse, sadly. She can do simple synths or piano bits apparently, but not complicated ones. The Got to Have Love synths parts have also been really simplified compared to the demo, maybe that's the reason ? 

My bet is there wont be too much synths upfront in the mix on More. 



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Reminds me a little of Quantum Theory, the last track on The Jarvis ****er Record.



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Reminds me a little of Quantum Theory, the last track on The Jarvis ****er Record.

 

Totally. There is also another forgotten track from that era with spoken beginning. Loss Adjuster. It's a great track in full but they decided to cut in pieces and just put bits on the record. Go figure ! 



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I agree with you there Andy. If you listen to "Sorted" live over the last tour, and watch Candida - the synth intro before Jarvis kicks in with the guitar - the intro Candida plays is all one touch loop - she doesnt play it like she used to. Its a real shame for her, but I love how she is carrying on and refusing to stop.
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Yep it sounds Jarv is + Elysian Collective not really Pulp, where is Candida ?

Unfortunately, i think Candida cant really play anymore. From the bits i've seen (the Spike Island from Jonathan Ross), looks like her problems have gotten worse, sadly. She can do simple synths or piano bits apparently, but not complicated ones. The Got to Have Love synths parts have also been really simplified compared to the demo, maybe that's the reason ? 

My bet is there wont be too much synths upfront in the mix on More. 

 



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Yep it sounds Jarv is + Elysian Collective not really Pulp, where is Candida ?

Unfortunately, i think Candida cant really play anymore. From the bits i've seen (the Spike Island from Jonathan Ross), looks like her problems have gotten worse, sadly. She can do simple synths or piano bits apparently, but not complicated ones. The Got to Have Love synths parts have also been really simplified compared to the demo, maybe that's the reason ? 

My bet is there wont be too much synths upfront in the mix on More. 

 

There's tricks you can do.  I've seen both Edwin Collins and Dorian Cox play live after having had major strokes and having much less function.

I'd imagine someone like Jason Buckle is serving as a medium in the studio, and a lot of the live performance is done by triggering loops. 

It's brilliant that she is still involved and they are finding ways around it.



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It's on reddit

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The file has been deleted. I have bought the 7" but don't have a record player so any chance someone could send it to me?



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andy wrote:
Bookmark wrote:

Yep it sounds Jarv is + Elysian Collective not really Pulp, where is Candida ?

Unfortunately, i think Candida cant really play anymore. From the bits i've seen (the Spike Island from Jonathan Ross), looks like her problems have gotten worse, sadly. She can do simple synths or piano bits apparently, but not complicated ones. The Got to Have Love synths parts have also been really simplified compared to the demo, maybe that's the reason ? 

My bet is there wont be too much synths upfront in the mix on More. 

 

There's tricks you can do.  I've seen both Edwin Collins and Dorian Cox play live after having had major strokes and having much less function.

I'd imagine someone like Jason Buckle is serving as a medium in the studio, and a lot of the live performance is done by triggering loops. 

It's brilliant that she is still involved and they are finding ways around it.

 I'm sure I've heard Candida say she does have to programme loops to manage. She seems pretty ecstatic about this album and tour in most of the pictures, so doesn't seem to be interfering with her enjoyment. Maybe being a pop star again takes you mind off the difficulty she must experience in everyday life.



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Fran wrote:
HoltbyCity wrote:
andy wrote:
Bookmark wrote:

Yep it sounds Jarv is + Elysian Collective not really Pulp, where is Candida ?

Unfortunately, i think Candida cant really play anymore. From the bits i've seen (the Spike Island from Jonathan Ross), looks like her problems have gotten worse, sadly. She can do simple synths or piano bits apparently, but not complicated ones. The Got to Have Love synths parts have also been really simplified compared to the demo, maybe that's the reason ? 

My bet is there wont be too much synths upfront in the mix on More. 

 

There's tricks you can do.  I've seen both Edwin Collins and Dorian Cox play live after having had major strokes and having much less function.

I'd imagine someone like Jason Buckle is serving as a medium in the studio, and a lot of the live performance is done by triggering loops. 

It's brilliant that she is still involved and they are finding ways around it.

 I'm sure I've heard Candida say she does have to programme loops to manage. She seems pretty ecstatic about this album and tour in most of the pictures, so doesn't seem to be interfering with her enjoyment. Maybe being a pop star again takes you mind off the difficulty she must experience in everyday life.

 

Looks like it. Also, here keyboards are positionned differently now, so she leaves her hands down, and dont have to lift them. She press the odd key, but it looks like chords or complicated melodies are a thing of the past.

As a piano player and musician, it really saddens me, it must be so hard not to be able to play anymore. 



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I have the same problem as Ian, bought the 7" today (wow, 17 euro's...) but have no record player. I'd appreciate it a lot if someone would send it to me

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thanks Bookmark, but I already have it

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A friend called Spike Island "Pulp's Pigeon Street", and every time I hear those pwoop noises I'm reminded of the bloody comparison.

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A friend called Spike Island "Pulp's Pigeon Street", and every time I hear those pwoop noises I'm reminded of the bloody comparison.

 Yes, good call by your friend. Great theme tune, always locked in my head, and decades later I always seek that brass sound in other records - can hear bits of it on one of Kevin Ayers albums. Might get that show on DVD, just to see how much of it is still with me - lots of my moral system seems to be built on 'He-Man' or other cartoon morality, and seem to remember Pigeon Street was quite moralising, transgressors getting comeuppance, community values, helping out neighbours etc.



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I read Spike Island's on the FIFA 26* soundtrack, and last night I heard it being used as background music on BBC 5 Live's 606 football show. Come alive in '25.

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Wow, nice sync. Is this their second game console inclusion after After You and GTA?

Have they renamed the FIFA series btw?

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Apparently, if you choose to play as Manchester United, you hear 'They Suffocate At Night' instead.

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