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Regarding reissues of Island/Universal albums, could someone please ask Mark at the the TIH playback event this weekend (bet he's annoyed he has to be more direct with questions about the future now!) whether the rights to Pulp's recorded output from 1992-2002 will ever revert to the group? If not, I'm not sure this deal makes a difference. Unless RT make Universal an offer for them which I doubt they'd have the budget for unless the band members put up some of the money? Not sure how these things work. Maybe it just needs Rough Trade's expertise in the area where they put together an offer to Universal and promise them a percentage share of the revenue with RT/Pulp taking the risk of absorbing all the costs involved while the music is licensed by Universal.

They might be open to that as Universal are a massive company and without individual champions of an old legacy group, these things are way down on their priority list. And I doubt there's anyone left from the old Island days who championed Pulp like Nigel Coxon (?) - the guy Sturdy got a really good insight from in Truth And Beauty as to Pulp's relationship with their corporate overlords back in the day.

Soft Cell are comparable in some ways to Pulp, both in style and size. They have had a reissue campaign over the last few years through Universal, beginning with a 6 disc anthology set and a best-of followed by a superdeluxe reissue of their most famous album, the debut, and the band's management and archivists have already mapped-out the contents of superdeluxes for their final two records. However they mentioned this year that staff-downsizing at Universal has delayed these projects. In the meantime, they released a comeback album a couple of years ago on a different label.



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Although Island own WLL, I wouldn't have thought they own the unreleased songs.  Especially the Depot and Wessex demos, weren't these done in Steve's home studio, so not even using Island resources.

So while in theory you can't do WLL Deluxe without CD1.  There could potentially be a standalone 'demos' release from a new record company.  A bit like Mansun did with Kleptomania.



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Although Island own WLL, I wouldn't have thought they own the unreleased songs.  Especially the Depot and Wessex demos, weren't these done in Steve's home studio, so not even using Island resources.

So while in theory you can't do WLL Deluxe without CD1.  There could potentially be a standalone 'demos' release from a new record company.  A bit like Mansun did with Kleptomania.

 

It depends on the contract. If they signed something that include all their recordings during the period or not, regardless of studio or gear used. There is no way to know. 



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Although Island own WLL, I wouldn't have thought they own the unreleased songs.  Especially the Depot and Wessex demos, weren't these done in Steve's home studio, so not even using Island resources.

So while in theory you can't do WLL Deluxe without CD1.  There could potentially be a standalone 'demos' release from a new record company.  A bit like Mansun did with Kleptomania.

 

It depends on the contract. If they signed something that include all their recordings during the period or not, regardless of studio or gear used. There is no way to know. 

 

Potentially a clue - After You was released copyright to Rough Trade, but published by Universal.



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Although Island own WLL, I wouldn't have thought they own the unreleased songs.  Especially the Depot and Wessex demos, weren't these done in Steve's home studio, so not even using Island resources.

So while in theory you can't do WLL Deluxe without CD1.  There could potentially be a standalone 'demos' release from a new record company.  A bit like Mansun did with Kleptomania.

 

It depends on the contract. If they signed something that include all their recordings during the period or not, regardless of studio or gear used. There is no way to know. 

 

Potentially a clue - After You was released copyright to Rough Trade, but published by Universal.

 

Yeah so potentially demos recording from WLL are not owned by any record label. Why did they sit on it for 26 years then ? Weird. Maybe they just bought back the right for that song only. 

On the other hand, the demos released in 2006 were apparently owned by Island, since the deluxe versions are indeed Island records... I dont know, There is no way to know biggrin



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Every discussion turns to the WLL demos... you lot just need to snog them already :D

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after what Mark Webber said on the TIH Q&A, I think we'll get the new album in 2026, or fall 25. or never.

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Bookmark wrote:

after what Mark Webber said on the TIH Q&A, I think we'll get the new album in 2026, or fall 25. or never.

 Already snogged em soggy



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Every discussion turns to the WLL demos... you lot just need to snog them already :D

 

Well its Pulp's biggest career mistake. Twice. 1. Not recording them properly, and not releasing them 2. Not releasing them as part of the reissue. Few bands fucked up their last record like that. In a big way. Its our Holy Grail. 



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after what Mark Webber said on the TIH Q&A, I think we'll get the new album in 2026, or fall 25. or never.

 

They dont need a new album to cash in for festivals, so fall 25 makes sense, to maybe do a bigger tour on their own. Fall would be nice, since 2025 is the year of the return of britpop, with Oasis back, they should ride the wave.



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I would hope/think that if they are doing Glasto, we'd at least have a single released prior. But yeah, album-wise, hard to know as Mark has been cagey. I imagine next autumn at the earliest if recording goes smoothly (which it hasn't, since summer 1995!).

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I would hope/think that if they are doing Glasto, we'd at least have a single released prior. But yeah, album-wise, hard to know as Mark has been cagey. I imagine next autumn at the earliest if recording goes smoothly (which it hasn't, since summer 1995!).

 

the pressure must be immense. First album in 26 years, i mean, i suppose every sound, every note, every lyrics, every production idea is being debated, analyzed, criticized. Must be fun (or hell) biggrin



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Not quite 26 but it will be around 24 if they release one next year as "We Love Life" was released in October 2001.

I think that I said elsewhere that if Pulp's popularity increases due to a brand new album, Universal may wish to cash in by releasing something we haven't already heard. Either super-deluxes of the "Big 3" and/or a "We Love Life" deluxe. I'd personally settle for those CDs in Mark's photo biggrin

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Could see Universal piggybacking on any album success. Free marketing promo for them when selling reissues/unreleased material.

Any half-decent legacy act can get a number one album these days, would be great if Pulp LP #8 stuck around the charts for a few weeks or more.

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Not quite 26 but it will be around 24 if they release one next year as "We Love Life" was released in October 2001.

I think that I said elsewhere that if Pulp's popularity increases due to a brand new album, Universal may wish to cash in by releasing something we haven't already heard. Either super-deluxes of the "Big 3" and/or a "We Love Life" deluxe. I'd personally settle for those CDs in Mark's photo biggrin

 

There's room for for a Big 3 and the Super Sub together, really. The last deluxe where 18/19 years ago, they could just re-release them and add new stuff, with new remasters as well and release WLL deluxe too. The market for that kind of releases is even bigger than new albums. Low cost, big cash. Lets go. 



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The more I think about it, the more ridiculous it seems that there's no deluxe WLL, or Intro come to that. So what if they didn't sell as much as the others? Did It and Freaks need big sales figures to justify Fire putting them out with bonus tracks? I can't think of many bands from 20+ years ago or more who haven't had that treatment. Including loads who were nowhere near as big as Pulp, even in their twilight years. There's a Kingmaker box set, I mean come on!

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Well, exactly. It's the curse of your legacy recordings being the copyright of the biggest record company/entertainment "house" in the world. Pulp are just a little pawn. But if Rough Trade have a good relationship with Universal (and the "After You" release suggests possibly so) maybe they could license them across.

Re the new album, how does it work, Mark? Would Pulp have an A&R person assigned to them from Rough Trade to check on the volume/quality of new material and help make an album out of it? Or, because they've been managed by Geoff and Jeanette for 31 years on and off, do the group have carte-blanche to release anything they want?



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No idea! But I can't imagine there'd be much inteference.

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Well, exactly. It's the curse of your legacy recordings being the copyright of the biggest record company/entertainment "house" in the world. Pulp are just a little pawn. But if Rough Trade have a good relationship with Universal (and the "After You" release suggests possibly so) maybe they could license them across.

Re the new album, how does it work, Mark? Would Pulp have an A&R person assigned to them from Rough Trade to check on the volume/quality of new material and help make an album out of it? Or, because they've been managed by Geoff and Jeanette for 31 years on and off, do the group have carte-blanche to release anything they want?



-- Edited by Eamonn on Thursday 19th of December 2024 10:31:26 PM

 

Looking at what Jarvis did solo with Rough trade, id say the road is wide open and the Label is just waiting for the rough mix of the new album. Or even the finished album. They are not in a weak position anymore, i highly doubt anyone from the label will come and tell them what to do or even give one remark. 

Day one on the Rough trade desk, Day 2 in the shop (almost biggrin) 

 



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Peel Sessions has disappeared off of Amazon Music too. You can't buy the MP3s. It's in danger of becoming a rare release if there aren't enough second-hand CDs in circulation.

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