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Here we go again ...

More gigs next year. And while it's unlikely the setlist will change substantially, there are now NEW SONGS! I'm hoping for Background Noise and My Sex to become staples. Spike Island seems to be their favourite to play so far. They're all great songs.

As for the existing set? Tantalised by the possibility of hearing Lipgloss (obviously), Glory Days and Monday Morning again, and hopefully Dishes will make a reappearance.
OU I'm less hot on, but would love to get Bar Italia.

Something from Separations please! (I'd pick MLG.) And I know Jarvis doesn't like to sing them, but the Hardcore-era songs deserve another outing - Party Hard (sorry Candida!) or A Little Soul might be nice. I do really like the Weeds songs, especially Weeds II, but I think they might start to rotate them out a bit more; if they do, Minnie/Trees - or instead of both, Wickerman - would all be top picks.

In my wildest dreams, more His 'N' Hers - any of Acrylic Afternoons, Have You Seen Her Lately? or She's a Lady would go down a treat. And then, obviously, there's the song I imagine we all want most of all: Sheffield: Sex City.

 

Jarvis has shown he's really not keen to change the setlist (it's funny to me that fans want small, intimate gigs and setlist changes, while Jarvis wants grand, showstopping ones and a more fixed set). And obviously there's the issue of the newer bandmembers needing to learn extra songs. But they've done it before with those that have been played, and there are some that have been rehearsed but not played too. 

 

If nothing else, these gigs are going to be amazing. So excited to have (most of) Pulp back a full thirty years after Different Class! And new music is just unbelievable. Who knows - there might be more songs on the way that we haven't even heard! I'm likely only going to be at the UK ones (and money means only a couple of those - and definitely not Glastonbury), but I'm excited nonetheless. If I only get to Sheffield, that's enough for me. Everything we get now is a bonus.

 

Because I won't be told, below are two setlists - one is a mildly changed version of the existing, another is an insane, unrealistic wishlist.


1. I Spy
2. Disco 2000
3. Lipgloss
4. Monday Morning
5. Something Changed
6. Dishes
7. Pink Glove
8. F.E.E.L.I.N.G.C.A.L.L.E.D.L.O.V.E.
9. Sorted for E's and Wizz
10. This Is Hardcore
11. Do You Remember the First Time?
12. Babies
13. Sunrise
14. Like a Friend
15. Underwear
16. Common People
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17. My Sex
18. Spike Island
19. Glory Days

 

1. I Spy
2. Disco 2000
3. Party Hard
4. Have You Seen Her Lately?
5. Lipgloss
6. Pink Glove
7. The Professional
8. My Sex
9. The Night That Minnie Timperley Died
10.  Do You Remember the First Time?
11. Babies
12. This Is Hardcore
13. Sunrise 
14. Like a Friend
15. Common People
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16. Sheffield: Sex City
17. F.E.E.L.I.N.G.C.A.L.L.E.D.L.O.V.E.
18. My Legendary Girlfriend
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19. Wickerman

 

 



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I find it a little bemusing that Jarv Is... performed three Pulp songs (or maybe four - did they do OU as a once-off as it fitted some loose "space" theme to a show?*) and Pulp 2023-? haven't played any of them live!

They are: She's A Lady (a "fall" 2021 tour opener for Jarv Is...), His'n'Hers (a staple in the Jarv Is... set for many shows) and My Legendary Girlfriend (a couple of one-off appearances).

* No wonder Mark and Nick tear their hair out with Jarvis over the setlist. He'd rather include an obscure Pulp song with a tenuous link to the gig they're playing than actually hear his bandmates out on what might sound good and really add to the show...

 

From Mark's interview with Giles Acrylic, the main changes to the set I'm expecting are more new songs which I'd be more than chuffed with.



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Given 3 wishes (wouldn't that be nice!) I would like to hear She's a Lady, Seconds and the fully extended intro/outro version of Live Bed Show.

 

I've always had a liking for the extended version of Live Bed Show ever since I first heard it on the televised Munich(?) gig.

 

She's a Lady and Seconds, I would really really love to hear with the violin.  I'd only very recently heard the live version of Seconds and thought that it made a massive difference.  Not that I dislike the released versions mind you.



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The violin arpeggio in the chorus on Seconds live is sooo good. From memory, there's an echo-effect too. Buller loved reverb, why the feck didn't he put it on the studio version?!

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The songs that are 'in' and 'out' are entirely arbitrary. Seconds could've been up there with Babies. The melody, the lyrics, the structure, it's all A+. It genuinely has it all. And not only has it never been played live, but it comfortably will never be.



-- Edited by lipglossed on Saturday 7th of December 2024 01:15:05 AM

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Seconds has been played live (as myself and the other poster above allude to), just not for 30 years! You can listen to live versions of it on Ian's FeelingCalledLive site. Pulp played it on the HnH tour (Kentish Town Forum gig) and a few French dates which were bootlegged.

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Would just love to see a deepcut thrown in every now and again, you know, like as the opening encore. Blue Girls. 97 Lovers. Theres no Emotion. Separations.

More realistically, if only slightly, is anything from the bonuses on the H&H Deluxe and especially anything featured on the Sisters EP.

But if theyre touring a beautiful new album, I guess there wont be much room!

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SELFISH FAN SET

Common People (We Love Life era version to kick off, and get it out the way with)
DYRTFT?
Pink Glove
Lipgloss
Razzmatazz
Wickerman
Death 2
Disco 2000
Dont You Want Me Anymore?
Bad Cover Version
Shes A Lady
Your Sisters Clothes (fading into ) Sunrise
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Death Comes To Town
Glory Days
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I Want You
OU


LIKELY SET FOR 2025


This Is Hardcore
DYRTFT?
Disco 2000
Misshapes
Weeds
Pink Glove
Something Chaned
Background Noise
Babies
Got To Have Love
Underwear
Common People
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Birds In Your Garden
Spike Island
I Spy
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Sunrise

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Ok, let's have a go at an insanely unrealistic setlist.

1. Space
2. Party Hard
3. Minnie Timperley
4. F.E.E.L.I.N.G.C.A.L.L.E.D.L.O.V.E.
5. Background Noise
6. His 'n' Hers
7. Spike Island
8. This Is Hardcore
9, The Professional
10. I Spy
11. Monday Morning
12. My Legendary Girlfriend
13. Sheffield: Sex City
14. Babies
15. Common People

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16. Rattlesnake
17. Hymn of The North
18. Sunrise



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Ah, it was Space that Jarv Is... played at Blue Dot Festival in 2019 (not OU, duh!).

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The Fear
Deep Fried in Kelvin
Party Hard
Spike Island
Weeds
Pink Glove
Underwear
FEELINGCALLEDLOVE
It's a Dirty World
My Legendary Girlfriend
Sylvia
Live Bed Show (extended as per 1996/2002)
I Spy
This is Hardcore
Wickerman
Bad Cover Version
New song
Sunrise

Encore 1:
My Sex
OU
Lipgloss
Common People

Encore 2:
Hymn of the North
Farmer's Market
Glory Days

Like that is ever going to happen?

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Lipgloss as the the biggy that was missing in 2023.

Razzmatazz as the 2023 treat to keep.

Seconds or Live On as the deep cut.

Spike Island and You've Got To Have Love to hear for the first time



-- Edited by HoltbyCity on Tuesday 10th of December 2024 08:12:21 AM

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weej wrote:

Ok, let's have a go at an insanely unrealistic setlist.

1. Space
2. Party Hard
3. Minnie Timperley
4. F.E.E.L.I.N.G.C.A.L.L.E.D.L.O.V.E.
5. Background Noise
6. His 'n' Hers
7. Spike Island
8. This Is Hardcore
9, The Professional
10. I Spy
11. Monday Morning
12. My Legendary Girlfriend
13. Sheffield: Sex City
14. Babies
15. Common People

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16. Rattlesnake
17. Hymn of The North
18. Sunrise

 RATTLESNAKE FANS RISE UP!!!!!



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My dream:

1. I Spy
2. O.U
3. Mis-Shapes
4. Sorted
5. Disco 2000
6. Pink Glove
7. I Want You
8. My Lighthouse
9, Do You Remember the First Time
10. Babies
11. This is Hardcore
12. Countdown
13. Sunrise
14. Underwear
15. Bar Italia
16. Common People

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17. Help The Aged
18. Something Changed
19. Razzmatazz

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20. Monday Morning
21. The Fear
22. Glory Days

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Watched OU from the Hollywood Cemetery gig on YouTube last night. It sounded incredible and is so fun and catchy, it would go down a storm with those that don't know it. It needs to be a live staple.

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I do so LOVE I Spy being the set opener. Ill miss it

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I think that there's more chance of "Deep Fried in Kelvin" than "Rattlesnake". We can dream, can't we?

Whilst I think that "I Spy" works great as an opener, nothing will ever top "The Fear" for me.

Oops, just realised that I missed "Got to Have Love" off my list.

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My wishlist would include Countdown, My Legendary Girlfriend, Acrylic Afternoons and Help the Aged to name just four. Realistically one or two of these (except Help the Aged) might get an occasional performance, not a regular slot on the setlist. Especially in light of the Different Class 30th anniversary and expected new album.

How much will the new album influence the 2025 setlists? Does the record deal mean we're likely to hear 3 or 4 new songs every concert, regardless of whether it's released pre or post tour? (Obviously a pre-tour release makes most sense but making sense is not a given.)

The obvious problem here is that for a band with only seven albums (or eight with Intro) there are far too many plausible candidates for inclusion in their live show. My suggestion: start playing Springsteenesque marathons. First set: all of Different Class. Second set: a carefully curated 15 best of the rest. And even then your own personal favourite that isn't on DC probably won't get played.

Also: I loved hearing OU live, fantastic choice for an older song to play. I wouldn't mind if it became a concert staple.



-- Edited by Pulp Friction on Thursday 12th of December 2024 04:45:14 PM

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Pulp Friction wrote:

My wishlist would include Countdown, My Legendary Girlfriend, Acrylic Afternoons and Help the Aged to name just four. Realistically one or two of these (except Help the Aged) might get an occasional performance, not a regular slot on the setlist. Especially in light of the Different Class 30th anniversary and expected new album.

How much will the new album influence the 2025 setlists? Does the record deal mean we're likely to hear 3 or 4 new songs every concert, regardless of whether it's released pre or post tour? (Obviously a pre-tour release makes most sense but making sense is not a given.)

The obvious problem here is that for a band with only seven albums (or eight with Intro) there are far too many plausible candidates for inclusion in their live show. My suggestion: start playing Springsteenesque marathons. First set: all of Different Class. Second set: a carefully curated 15 best of the rest. And even then your own personal favourite that isn't on DC probably won't get played.

Also: I loved hearing OU live, fantastic choice for an older song to play. I wouldn't mind if it became a concert staple.



-- Edited by Pulp Friction on Thursday 12th of December 2024 04:45:14 PM

 

They could do a show playing all of Different Class with some alternative songs at the start and end? Something like:


Spoiler

Alternatively, when Gerry Love left Teenage Fanclub, they did a final round of shows with him - where they played every album and added rarities to the final show.

It would be cool if Pulp did something like that. They don't have to play every album from start to finish. Interpol recently did a tour celebrating Turn on the Bright Lights and Antics and would play most of those albums, but not in tracklist order.

I can't imagine Pulp playing whole albums. They won't want to do Someone Like the Moon, probably can't remember how to do David's Last Summer, and probably couldn't do Seductive Barry without Steve. They've never played Day After... and there's not that many more songs from Hardcore that Jarvis would be comfortable doing. And to be quite honest, I can't imagine him singing the words to Pencil Skirt in 2025, either...

You could have Pulp doing three-night residencies an Intro/H&H night, a Different Class night, and a Hardcore/WLL night (with the odd Separations track and new song maybe turning up in the encore):

Spoiler

Spoiler


Spoiler

Something like that. A bonus set could be a fourth residency where they play most of the new album (with the likely sorts I Spy, Disco 2000, Mis-Shapes, Babies, DYRTFT?, Underwear, Common People at beginning and end).



-- Edited by lipglossed on Thursday 12th of December 2024 06:03:18 PM



-- Edited by lipglossed on Thursday 12th of December 2024 06:06:52 PM

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I wasn't being entirely serious but a set comprising a whole album plus some favourites really isn't that farfetched an idea. Whether it be part 1: the album and part 2: other stuff or part 1: cuts from other albums, part 2: Different Class and part 3: more favourites. One objection to this format would be forcing Common People to a slot other than encore, to which I would respond: so what?

Those of you who went to Barcelona to see Pulp in 2011 might have had the chance to catch Echo & the Bunnymen play Crocodiles in its entirety, about half of Heaven Up Here (curiously, not including The Killing Moon, at least according to setlist.fm), then three more songs.

I enjoyed that concert very much and didn't find it dragged on at all. However, Ian McCulloch was in his early 50s then and didn't move about a whole lot. I do believe, based on the Pulp concerts I saw in 2023 and 24, that 61-year-old Jarvis Cocker could pull it off. But I would completely understand if he really would rather not.

But why wouldn't Jarvis want to sing Pencil Skirt now? He managed it in 2011, and it didn't seem particularly dated, or cringeworthy or otherwise out of place.

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Of course the other big objection is that there's a new album (whether released or forthcoming) so it would be better if they didn't make the whole show about looking back 30 years.

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This feels unlikely, but I'd love it if they were ever to do a set where they really went deep into the '80s stuff. The stated reason for not doing that (or one of them anyway) is that they don't want to lose the crowd by playing a load of obscurities. But if it was a show specifically advertised as songs from Freaks and Separations, or whatever, that'd be a different matter right?

After all, Jarvis has expressed displeasure at some of that material being badly recorded, cheaply produced etc. And gigs tended to be a bit of a mess (for all their tinfoil bedecked charm). Playing that stuff with the superior musicianship they now have, and modern stage production, could be an opportunity to right some wrongs on that front.

Obviously this would be something supplementary to the main gigs where they'll naturally keep playing the hits + newies.

As I say, it's probably not going to happen but it's nice to imagine that it one day will.

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