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Fran


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Jarvis did say "But please believe us: this is only the beginning." on Instagram. Now that could just refer to shows next year, but it that feels like a more significant tone than that.

"Last one in LA.

Last one in the USA.

Last one of 2024.

But please believe us: this is only the beginning.

Many thanks to everyone who has been to see us over the last two weeks. It has been an amazing experience.

Tonight was like Apocalypse Now: the Musical.

Lets do it again sometime.

(Photos courtesy of @doraifranco & @disintegration )

#hollywoodforever

#pulpforever

#thisisthis"

https://www.instagram.com/p/DANlw2iRTxY/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==



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Does it really matter if songs are old? We have only heard unfinished demos of certain songs.... so its not really relevant whether they are old or new.



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Does anyone else play I spy (the actual game) and also listen to the song i spy

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I think it would be a bit weird and concerning if they had to rely on mainly on old pieces and weren't capable of coming up with much from scratch

 

Fair enough, revisit some things, but they should move on... otherwise it all gets a bit MBV

 

Pulp were always about the present



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Scottbloodyfrazer wrote:

Does it really matter if songs are old? We have only heard unfinished demos of certain songs.... so its not really relevant whether they are old or new.

 

I agree. Many artists put old song on their records, they just dont mention it. Some dont fit, some you dont find the right hook, or the right production, and one day it clicks.

 

I'd say with the sound they have live this year, some old songs fit perfectly. 



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If Pulp were on a 50 50 basis of new songs and old, I'd take that all day long. 

Something Changed was an old song? 

I understand what you mean about Pulp writing and living for today - we know they are still capable - more so with the guys from Jarvis Is performing too. 

As long as they don't go down the Shed Seven route and totally rerecord their songs.....that said the Sheds released a brand new album alongside Liquid Gold. What will be will be, and I know I'll be throwing my money their way lol



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I'm pretty much on the fence with it. The brand new songs are great and even more would be welcome but in terms of quality, the resurrected old songs match up. That said, an album containing solely new material would be better.

I agree with the previous comments that the 2000 demo of "After You" is better than the 2013 "final" version but we weren't supposed to have heard the demo. If the 2013 version was the only version available, I think that it would have been better received.

There have also been comments in the past from Jarvis where he talked about wanting to do certain songs justice. I remember him saying this about the two he wrote for Nancy Sinatra. They have certainly been trawling the archives in recent years (see also "Cuckoo") so if they finally want to nail some old demos, then fair play. This is better than remixes or cover versions by anyone's standards.

An interesting point to note is that they recorded 6 songs at the Wessex studio in January 2000 and whilst none of them made the album or b-sides, 2 have been revisited. "Grandfathers Nursery" saw the light of day at the time as a limited download but there are another 3 songs (M'Lady, St. Just and The Performance of a Lifetime) that they must have listened to recently.

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Scottbloodyfrazer wrote:

If Pulp were on a 50 50 basis of new songs and old, I'd take that all day long. 

Something Changed was an old song? 

I understand what you mean about Pulp writing and living for today - we know they are still capable - more so with the guys from Jarvis Is performing too. 

As long as they don't go down the Shed Seven route and totally rerecord their songs.....that said the Sheds released a brand new album alongside Liquid Gold. What will be will be, and I know I'll be throwing my money their way lol




I honestly cannot see Pulp re-recording any of their hits, which is what Shed Seven have done. A brand new album followed by re-recorded versions of obscure material would be fantastic though.

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My other concern is that they found the process of making new albums like pulling teeth for the last two albums, so they were wary about going through that following the 2011 reunion, and perhaps to an extent now. I'm not sure the drive from all the core members is still there. I'm wondering how much it is due to the wheels coming off their old group writing process. I would genuinely love to hear a true 2025 Pulp album written close to entirely from scratch, perhaps the only way they can rise to the challenge of a new album is to take things from the shelf in addition to newer Jarvis songs, some originally not intended for the band at all.

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Yeah whatever they do, re-recording old hits is the idea of failing /dying bands who needs to rely on past success.

But its not gonna happen.

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What gives me hope is that Jarvis, at least, seems to have found it a lot easier to make albums in recent years - cf the unprecedented rapid streak of Beyond the Pale > Tip-Top > This Is Going to Hurt. OK, that's only one 'proper' album, but when else in his career has he put out that much material over a period of less than 2 years? Maybe that's partly because there's less pressure associated with a Jarvis project than there is with a Pulp album. But hopefully whatever's change in his approach might carry over to Pulp now.

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I think they are heading towards an album as it is 'now or never' time, but that doesn't mean they are collectively creatively firing on as many creative cylinders as in the early 90s.



-- Edited by PaulTMA on Friday 27th of September 2024 03:32:19 PM

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It doesn't matter, I'd rather they tried than not. The new songs performed live sound potentially good enough to polish and put out.

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I agree

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Got to Have Love
Spike Island
Background Noise
Farmer's Market
My Sex
Quiet Revolution
Cuckoo Song
A Sunset
After you
Hymn of the North

It's already better than We Love Life.

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Steady on!

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I agree with Sturdy. Jarvis seems to have found a different recording technique that he feels comfortable with. Therefore, it's a lot easier to make albums. Of course, this needs to be balanced with input from the other band members.

I think that "After You" has reached the end of it's lifecycle. The 2013 version wouldn't sit well alongside some of the other new songs and I don't think that they would re-record something that has already been released.

In defence of Shed Seven, they released a successful album earlier in the year and the re-recordings are pretty impressive. The band have said the following: "After the success of A Matter of Time, we found out that one of our former labels was planning yet another 'best of' releasea blatant cash grab for our 30th anniversary. Wed been discussing making an orchestral album for a while, and it felt like the perfect moment to take control. This not only thwarted the old label's plans but also gave us a chance to create something truly meaningful". Therefore, I think that it is more of a creative endeavour rather than cashing in on previous hits. To be fair, it is pretty much the same as Jarvis releasing that orchestral version of "Running the World".

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Well there is two versions of Little soul, there is glory days and cocaine socialism

Jarvis has also recorded those two songs again for his first solo album

I noticed they played after you the « old » way during the recent tours. I see it as a hint it could be re-recorded

They seem to really like it so why not as an album track

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The alternative version of "A Little Soul" is a the Johnny Dollar remix. I think that "Cocaine Socialism" was recorded in mid-1997 and they wanted to release it as a single straight away, they then concluded that it would be a bad idea and rewrote it as "Glory Days" in late 1997 / early 1998. I have always recognised them as two different songs.

There is of course the single version of "Countdown" which is an obvious re-recording rather than a remix but it was common practice to release a different version of a song as a single.

The live versions of "After You" don't particularly do much for me but you are correct that it sounds closer to the 2000 version. The structure also seems to have changed a bit; some extra "After You"s between the second and third verse and a shorter finale. In fairness, something similar to the 2000 version would sit well alongside "Got to Have Love".

-- Edited by Ian on Sunday 29th of September 2024 09:30:42 AM

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