Nick interview is the main NME story today, a couple of snippets of info we may not have heard before (Well imagine it's a film and you're the star...):

https://www.nme.com/news/music/pulps-nick-banks-on-his-new-memoir-the-bands-future-and-the-joke-of-britpop-3509203

Pulp's Nick Banks on his new memoir, the band's future and the "joke" of Britpop
The drummer spoke to NME about 'So It Started There: From Punk To Pulp', who'd star in a movie about the band, and if more gigs and new material from the Britpop heroes could be on the horizon

By Andrew Trendell
4th October 2023

Pulp drummer Nick Banks has spoken to NME about lessons learned from his memoir, how Britpop seemed like a "joke" at the time, and what the future may look like for the band.

Released last week, So It Started There: From Punk To Pulp tells of the early times, the good times, the not-so-good times and the WTF times" of the band, as described by frontman Jarvis Cocker - as well as the drummer's early years and life outside of the band.


"It was a bit of a lockdown project; I just thought I'd get on and write my version of events," Banks told NME. "I don't think that there'd really been an insider's view of all of the events. Every person's and every band's story is unique, but I just felt like ours was that little bit more unique so needed to be put down on paper."

Banks joined the Sheffield band in 1986 and played on all of their albums since 1992s 'Separations'. Their first breakthrough came with 1994's 'His 'N' Hers', achieving further success with the seminal and era-defining 1995 follow-up 'Different Class'. However, the band had struggled for attention until the mid-90s, having been writing, touring and plugging away since their formation in 1978. Banks explained how writing the book left him surprised at "just how dogged we had to be during the dark ages".

"When you join a band and you hope to release records and have successful concerts and then nothing happens for years," he said. "It was good to revisit and see how we sticked to it to try and get somewhere.

"It was strange to see so many bands seem to appear out of nowhere and overtake us during those years. Theyd have their names in lights and lauded by everyone as 'the best thing since sliced bread'. It was very frustrating to be ploughing a very similar furrow for years and we couldnt get arrested but it gave us more of a sheer bloodymindedness to keep going until someone took notice."

Due to the bands "doggedness" and Northern spirit, Banks argued that they likely would have carried on regardless of if theyd have broken through to the mainstream with the likes of 'Common People' and 'Babies'.

"Wed come through the dark ages and we were reasonably confident that we were making something that could at least be a minor success," he said. "Even if 'His N Hers' hadnt been a success, I think wed have kept going. Even if it was half the success it was, that was still loads more than wed had before. We would have carried on until we felt that everyone had the chance to see what we were about."

Would a band like Pulp be able to exist and play the long game in todays climate?

"Wed have certainly given it a go," he replied. "Back in the 90s, we were helped by being able to scrape by on unemployment benefits. I dont think today you can do that kind of stuff, and its much harder to make do. Its always been hard for bands to make it, but today its even more difficult."

Pulp became one of the flagship bands of the Britpop era alongside the likes of Oasis, Blur and Suede, but Banks has claimed that it was unfair to attach the label to the band given all that theyd already been through.

"At the time, we thought it was all a bit laughable and crazy to try and lump a band that had been going for 17 years into some kind of new movement it all seemed a bit of a joke to us," he said. "People had tried to shoehorn us into other failed musical categories before, which we found equally comical."

"Sat here with hindsight, it does seem like it did help us because its always better to have more fellow travellers being talked about the same way. But it certainly wasnt taken very seriously by us."

This summer saw Pulp reunite for a string of reunion gigs across the UK and Ireland including a massive show at Londons Finsbury Park, two Sheffield homecoming gigs, a headline set at Latitude, and a finale at Londons Eventim Apollo in Hammersmith.

"Ive always been very positive about playing," said Banks. "Its an honour to play these songs to the people who they mean so much to and it was just a joyous time."

The drummer also described it as "serendipity" that the shows came as hed finished writing his memoir, and that they came at what many called 'the second summer of Britpop at a time when Blur were also on the reunion trail, Noel Gallagher was touring with a new album too and various specials celebrating the genre were on TV and radio.

"There isnt a red telephone that rings and we all say, 'Right, 2023, lets get together and have a run around'," he said. "Theres none of that malarkey, its just everything aligning."

This December will see the band play what is currently their last scheduled gig together at Edinburghs Hogmanay celebrations on New Years Eve however, Banks teased that their could be more activity on the horizon.

"I love new year its much better than Christmas," he said. "Were going to need heaters on stage because its going to be chuffing cold! I dont know if were going to play a special New Years song. Well see what happens, but its going to be very exciting.

"Its the last scheduled thing weve got. Hopefully well have more to announce for next year but I dont know how much I can say at this moment in time, sorry! Its classified. Im looking forward to whatever 2024 may bring."

The summers reunion shows also saw the band perform the unreleased track 'Hymn Of The North'; a song which Cocker had previously written for the 2019 play Light Falls. Despite excitement from fans, Banks said that there "hadnt been any talk" of Pulp recording and releasing their own version.

"Jarvis did it for a play, and I dont really know anything about it," he admitted. "Having said that, sometimes you never know when a call is going to come in about studio time."

Banks also downplayed the chances of the band releasing a new album soon, and that these recent gigs were "more about getting the party back".

"There have certainly been no conversations about new material and to be honest," he said. "Im not sure if any of us have a real appetite for that because you have to put three to five years of your life into it. In terms of writing, recording then touring, it would be really difficult. I cant see it happening myself weve got other things to do."


Aside playing some shows with his other band The Everly Pregnant Brothers (also featuring legendary Sheffield artist Pete McKee), Banks said that the rest of his year would be taken up by Pulps South American gig and using his new lawnmower "before the winter sets in. He added that the gigs along with the release of his book were about "taking stock", and joked that hed be open to the idea of So It Started There being turned into a biopic movie.

"As long as I was played by Jack Dee, that would be fine," he said. "A lot of people say I look like him, and we met a few months ago and had our photo taken side by side. We looked at it and went, 'Nah!'

"I dont know how tall Robert Peston is, but it would be quite funny for him to play Jarvis. Candida [Doyle, keys] would have to be played by someone quite petite Jane Horrocks, perhaps. Mark [Webber, guitarist] would have to be somebody quite quiet, but Ill have to come back to you on that. We could also have a CGI version of Jim Reeves to play Richard Hawley. He was a hired hand to fill out the sound, but hed still have to be there."

Asked if hed had feedback from the rest of the band on his book, Banks replied: "There will be some details that people recognise differently, and thats only human nature and natural. Candida has been enjoying it so far.

"Ive not really had any feedback from Jarvis as of yet, but it has been reported that hes been flicking through it while laying on his sofa which I see as a positive thing as its not yet been commented on with a snort of derision!"

So It Started There: From Punk To Pulp by Nick Banks it out now. Pulp play Edinburghs Hogmanay at West Princes Street Gardens' 'Concert In The Gardens' on December 31. Visit here for tickets and more information.

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timahall wrote:

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Violin Thing wrote:

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So it's one of thoise things people like to hype up but won't actually say? Grand.

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 Oh wise up.

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Sorry pal, I'm autistic and don't always get the nuance. Only messing. 

Violin Thing wrote:

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timahall wrote:

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Violin Thing wrote:

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So it's one of thoise things people like to hype up but won't actually say? Grand.

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 Oh wise up.

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Sorry pal, I'm autistic and don't always get the nuance. Only messing. 

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 No worries, I was probably being a tad too touchy.

timahall wrote:

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Some weird responses! I'm happy to recount what Nick said.

Basically when Pulp played in Japan at the height of their popularity, they had this huge (female) fan that would follow them around and stand in front of Jarvis every night. Jarvis deemed her so unattractive that when he'd look into the crowd and see her, he'd get put off. After a while, the band/Jarvis told her that she had to stand at the sound desk.

To be honest, the way Nick recounted the story didn't make him look great either. It's like he expected everyone to laugh but it went silent with some noises of disapproval. The host had to defuse the situation a bit.

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 Umm. Not gonna act shocked/clutch pearls even, but oh dear

lipglossed wrote:

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heatherwealthy wrote:

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timahall wrote:

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Some weird responses! I'm happy to recount what Nick said.

Basically when Pulp played in Japan at the height of their popularity, they had this huge (female) fan that would follow them around and stand in front of Jarvis every night. Jarvis deemed her so unattractive that when he'd look into the crowd and see her, he'd get put off. After a while, the band/Jarvis told her that she had to stand at the sound desk.

To be honest, the way Nick recounted the story didn't make him look great either. It's like he expected everyone to laugh but it went silent with some noises of disapproval. The host had to defuse the situation a bit.

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 Umm. Not gonna act shocked/clutch pearls even, but oh dear

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 Agreed, pretty fucking nasty from Jarvis.

 

SarahAWilson wrote:

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TBH I went off Jarvis when the whole "Reigate" thing came out in 1996. Both of the women involved were called Sarah, and I took that personally.

 

 

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 Oh dear, what happened in Reigate?

 

The story I've heard - the one being referred to upthread - might be familiar. It's the archived interview one of Jarvis's exes - his makeup artist, called Sarah - gave to the News of the World. He two-timed her, basically.

FWIW I don't think it's particularly surprising or new even that Jarvis was a prize prick. (He's our prize prick, I suppose?) I did listen to 'Someone Like the Moon' earlier today, heard it in a pretty different light. Although take tabloids with a pinch of salt etc.

EDIT - oh this IS the Reigate incident, it's her surname! 

-- Edited by lipglossed on Thursday 12th of October 2023 03:02:43 AM

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https://members.tripod.com/~gr8_buttox/news_of_the_world

Sarah Reigate's story that was published in '96.

weej wrote:

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Oh is it about that?
Yeah he doesn't come out of it particularly well, but you know, this is the man who wrote Acrylic Afternoons and Pencil Skirt and a number of other songs we could list

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But a person's songs don't always reflect their own experiences...its like being an actor. He'd said he'd typically write from others' perspectives. So, the Sarah thing might definitely be lots of exaggeration involved. He never denied the affair, though, and was very pissed with the newspaper that published it. Forgot his commentary, but some are in interviews I've read. 

The one major part that screams exaggerated was the part about him telling her about the solar system and her taking notes, that whole cheesy scene. 

lipglossed wrote:

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Tbf he's mentioned it in interviews, I'm inclined to believe Reigate.

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Yeah, he's never denied it. Just meant, "bits" of her story might be exaggerated to sound extra worse, to make a story to sell. Otherwise, it'd just have been a boring old story about an affair, so she *might* have added in some exaggerations for extra spice. Was just certain things, though. 

Beta wrote:

Are we sure this is true, though? This one particularly bothers me, as myself, grew up kind of a freak, and still feel I kinda am, and the big big thing that held as a foundation of me being a fan was that Pulp WERE seemingly, like me, odd, awkward, vocally supportive of the outcasts, freaks, nerds, the awkward (physically and socially), and was basically what they were rather built upon. so..hearing this actually makes me depressed and sick. Reminds me of shit that was done to me in life and I think many others might feel the same way.  

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But of course there's always more to every story, isn't there?

For a start, Jarvis was rather fond of the white stuff back then, and demonstrated many of the familiar side effects of inhaling a bit too much of it. 

It was a different time as well, and being a bit of a dick was rather celebrated behaviour. There was a cache of cool to being a bit of bad boy. The whole of This is Hardcore (the album) is basically an apology for his descent into laddish misbehaviour.

We also know nothing about this person aside that Jarvis found them off-putting. That doesn't mean the person was a freak, nerd, outcast or awkward. Could be this person was a glamour model for all we know. Could have been somebody Jarvis had regrettable liaisons with. Or it could have been a very young person and perhaps Jarvis didnt feel comfortable with the attention. Could be the person was just peacocking too much. Regardless of the reason if this person's presence was causing Jarvis to miss his cues, then it's for the best they were moved. 

Stalkers are also a thing when you are famous. And it must be uncomfortable when random strangers seem overly familiar, even if they are just engaging in some harmless idolatry (*notes irony*)

For all we know the person was flattered just to be noticed at all, and possibly honoured to have a special place in the sound booth. 

None of this makes it "right". Humans are imperfect, insecure, full of contradictions and prone to selfishness and judgement. Don't put people on pedestals and you won't be disappointed. He's not Jesus, after all. 

Simply Fuss Free wrote:

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Beta wrote:

 

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Are we sure this is true, though? This one particularly bothers me, as myself, grew up kind of a freak, and still feel I kinda am, and the big big thing that held as a foundation of me being a fan was that Pulp WERE seemingly, like me, odd, awkward, vocally supportive of the outcasts, freaks, nerds, the awkward (physically and socially), and was basically what they were rather built upon. so..hearing this actually makes me depressed and sick. Reminds me of shit that was done to me in life and I think many others might feel the same way.  

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But of course there's always more to every story, isn't there?

 

For a start, Jarvis was rather fond of the white stuff back then, and demonstrated many of the familiar side effects of inhaling a bit too much of it. 

 

It was a different time as well, and being a bit of a dick was rather celebrated behaviour. There was a cache of cool to being a bit of bad boy. The whole of This is Hardcore (the album) is basically an apology for his descent into laddish misbehaviour.

 

We also know nothing about this person aside that Jarvis found them off-putting. That doesn't mean the person was a freak, nerd, outcast or awkward. Could be this person was a glamour model for all we know. Could have been somebody Jarvis had regrettable liaisons with. Or it could have been a very young person and perhaps Jarvis didnt feel comfortable with the attention. Could be the person was just peacocking too much. Regardless of the reason if this person's presence was causing Jarvis to miss his cues, then it's for the best they were moved. 

 

Stalkers are also a thing when you are famous. And it must be uncomfortable when random strangers seem overly familiar, even if they are just engaging in some harmless idolatry (*notes irony*)

 

For all we know the person was flattered just to be noticed at all, and possibly honoured to have a special place in the sound booth. 

 

None of this makes it "right". Humans are imperfect, insecure, full of contradictions and prone to selfishness and judgement. Don't put people on pedestals and you won't be disappointed. He's not Jesus, after all. 

-- Edited by Simply Fuss Free on Monday 16th of October 2023 03:37:38 PM

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Fair points to you and Lapinette. You both made fair points and perspectives and are appreciated. 

But please dont think I am one of those super parasocial, super idolizing kind of a fan. Or a stalker. 

Not sure if some references like the "irony" part was directed at me. but no. I am just weird about that whole separating the two kind a thing. 

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Fair points to you and Lapinette. You both made fair points and perspectives and are appreciated. 

 

But please dont think I am one of those super parasocial, super idolizing kind of a fan. Or a stalker. 

Not sure if some references like the "irony" part was directed at me. but no. I am just weird about that whole separating the two kind a thing. 

 

-- Edited by Beta on Monday 16th of October 2023 04:20:50 PM

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Just for sake of clarity - when I said "irony noted" I was engaging in self-deprecation. Point being that I am a random stranger, presenting to speak (to a degree) on behalf of someone I don't really know, and thusly being a bit of a hypocrit. So not aimed at anyone else but my own damned self.

Nice to see insightful comments. I won't lie, was sincerely worried I might be ostracized after I submitted the post. So often these daya any attempt at "understanding" goes sideways on the internet. Sometimes I think it's foolish to engage. But you all give me hope. 

Nick did make the point that the woman was putting Jarvis off because he found her unattractive and not for any other reasons. Of course there could be more to it but he was definitely clear on that. It's a nasty story for sure but we are talking about something that happened almost 30 years ago. Nick went on to talk about how annoying and exhausting Jarvis could be back in the day, but he couldn't be more mellow and pleasant than how he currently is. This was all said with affection of course, he clearly loves Jarvis and the entire classic Pulp line up were definitely close friends and not just bandmates.

Anyone else here at the Lincoln event? Short but sweet I thought. Could have listened to his anecdotes all night, and I had a lovely chat about the Brid Spa gig in 95. Plus, his favourite video for a Pulp song was Disco 2000 - because he didnt have to be in it.

Fantastic interview by Giles Acrylic with Nick:

https://madeincatcliffe.wordpress.com/2023/10/26/in-conversation-with-nick-banks/

Ooer at the risk of being bitchy, was Nick asked if he "made" the prop himself in that video??