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There's literally no reason not release all the albums, bsides, demos and unheard tracks on streaming services. No reason.

Just put it all in, dammit. 



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the released date of Something Changed EP has been corrected

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The release date for the Help the Aged EP is wrong, so I've requested that be updated, with the poster and Pip's receipt confirming that it was 10th not 11th Nov!

We dodged a bullet and got the proper single versions of Help the Aged and Tomorrow Never Lies, though - phew!

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Whats the difference between Help the aged single and album versions? I always thought they sounded similar?

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There's a swishing sound at the start which is a bit louder on the single. It was chopped off on Hits.

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The release dates from the early fire singles are now corrected

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Why was Help The Aged a CD1 affair only?

Would a 2CD single have got them a comeback number one single?

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I suspect that the Hardcore singles would have charted higher had they released new songs instead of remixes on both CDs, which we now know they could have done with all those outtakes on the Deluxe. I know that I checked out of buying remix CD2s by then (not just for Pulp) and I suspect quite a few others felt the same.

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Although I wonder if they didn't want to release those because they were effectively demos for the most part? No idea. I wonder if the non-album session His 'n' Hers b-sides were also technically 'demos' too? They would have been fine to come out, I think.

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I honestly think the new streamed version of Help The Aged is remastered. The treble in the mix is far higher than the Hits and Jardcore versions?

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It's transferred directly from my copy of the original CD single!

(This is plainly ridiculous, but was the best way to ensure it was the right version. Calling tracks up from the archive seems to be hit and miss.)



-- Edited by hawalius1 on Friday 4th of August 2023 12:00:00 PM

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hugomrtnzz wrote:

The release dates from the early fire singles are now corrected

Looks like all the badgering has finally paid off, My Legendary Girlfriend is still wrong as is the countdown one but theyre closer to what they should be than what they were.  Hoping Masters Of The Universe is put up too. 



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PaulTMA wrote:

Although I wonder if they didn't want to release those because they were effectively demos for the most part? No idea. I wonder if the non-album session His 'n' Hers b-sides were also technically 'demos' too? They would have been fine to come out, I think.

 

I dont know. Bsides were a big deal in the 90s and you couldnt release just rough version of songs as bsides. They had to be recorded properly and even rival the main tune on the single. So the demos we have, stuff like You are the One and street Operator were not polished enough to be released as we know them.

And maybe they wanted to keep them for thext album, who knows. 

Nowadays though they could get the proper remix/remaster/AI polishing just like they did with the Beatles records and re-release them.

 

Just, do IT. biggrin



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Scottbloodyfrazer wrote:

I honestly think the new streamed version of Help The Aged is remastered. The treble in the mix is far higher than the Hits and Jardcore versions?

 

It does sound a bit different. Bit brighter, bit clearer than the version of the 2006 re-release. 

 

Could this mean TIH could be re-released and only that ? 



-- Edited by andy on Friday 4th of August 2023 01:19:48 PM

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joemc5054 wrote:
hugomrtnzz wrote:

The release dates from the early fire singles are now corrected

Looks like all the badgering has finally paid off, My Legendary Girlfriend is still wrong as is the countdown one but theyre closer to what they should be than what they were.  Hoping Masters Of The Universe is put up too. 

 For me, the most important thing is the Peel Sessions compilation as that has my favourite version of Pink Glove - and I wanna put it on my playlists! Hoping against hope it'll be uploaded.



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Yes, it is so much better than the album version and as the CD is at my parents house, I have to Youtube it when I fancy a listen.

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 For me, the most important thing is the Peel Sessions compilation as that has my favourite version of Pink Glove - and I wanna put it on my playlists! Hoping against hope it'll be uploaded.

 Its funny bc they are actually up on streaming but are blocked and hidden. here's the link https://open.spotify.com/album/3uEw8r5i8KPjg0d4VUdQNP?si=sy-hrMOHRda7MnHpzGibbQ



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Yes, it is so much better than the album version and as the CD is at my parents house, I have to Youtube it when I fancy a listen.

 Funny, you mentioned in the other thread how Jarvis' songs can be slightly too long. I love the cut verses/lines in this version, but I do wonder if clipping them might have aided the song's replayability. Seems like a shrewd choice from Ed Buller (unlike his constant marginalisation of Russell's violin), and shows that they saw it as a potential single.



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Didn't realise there's much of a difference on Pink Glove in length on the Peel Sessions compared to HnH but you're right, it's 20 seconds or so.

The raw energy/propulsion of the Maida Vale/Peel version means it doesn't ever feel too long, it's just a barnstormer. The problem with the album version is that it just sounds so neutured, swamped in reverb and other shitty effects, even on the vox.

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He knows your friend called Heather but he never touched her never. Listened to the Peel version recently and it is ace.

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Didn't realise there's much of a difference on Pink Glove in length on the Peel Sessions compared to HnH but you're right, it's 20 seconds or so.

The raw energy/propulsion of the Maida Vale/Peel version means it doesn't ever feel too long, it's just a barnstormer. The problem with the album version is that it just sounds so neutured, swamped in reverb and other shitty effects, even on the vox.

 Yeah, it really tethers down the original, you can tell the energy is trying to burst up and break through at some points (like the bridge) but it's too bound up in Buller histrionics. The Peel version is so much more energetic.

IMO Buller's production works really, really well on some songs (DYRTFT?, Acrylic Afternoons, HYSHL?, SLTM) but isn't suited to the older songs on the album at all. Pink Glove and She's a Lady are packed with frenetic, throbbing energy and the Buller formula airbrushes away the angst, leaving a listenable but slightly dispassionate final product. And Buller must've really taken against Russell, because it's not just his violin but also his wah-wah guitar that gets completely cleaned out.

It's annoying, and maybe Pulp agree - on one hand the band went along with Buller's changes (which might have had Russell threatening to leave, apparently he did so multiple times), but on the other they've always played those songs the same way live, even without Russell. Even when it's Jarv Is, they play She's a Lady with the violin.

 



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I think that the "Help the Aged" single is a decent package. The title track is a bit of a slow-burner, true. But it does have a soaring chorus and I remember how I had really gotten into it after the third or fourth listen. It's certainly not a disastrous comeback single like "The Trees" (nice song but only works on the album). It's great to have the final version of "Tomorrow Never Lies" and it's great how they pursued this rather than abandoning it altogether after it was rejected as a Bond theme. It is interesting to speculate how it might have turned out if it had been selected as the Bond theme, I presume that it would have been recorded with a different producer and released as a single in its own right. We'll never know. Again, a bit of a slow-burner that is great once you get used to it. "Laughing Boy" is great as well, better than some of the slower songs that made it onto the album. I remember Jarvis saying at the time that he wanted to make a low-key comeback and this single does exactly that. One CD, fairly limited promotion. Great video though.

As for b-sides and remixes in general, I think that they could have done a bit better at times. For comparison, Pulp released 4 b-sides on the "Different Class" singles (including "Underwear") and Suede released 14 on the "Coming Up" singles although there were 5 of them. There were definitely some demos that could have been used instead of those awful remixes. I'm not saying that they should have released all of them (see Blur; some of their b-sides really weren't worth the paper they were written on) but some of Pulp's singles could have been a bit better. "Party Hard" was probably one of the worst offenders, especially now we've heard "It's a Dirty World" which could have replaced the nice but pointless extended version of "The Fear" or the god-awful Stretch and Vern remix of the title track. Also, releasing two CDs with the same tracklisting for "Something Changed" was quite ridiculous. Sure, "Mile End" is great and the Moloko remix is interesting but sticking "Catcliffe Shakedown" and "Don't Lose It" on CD2 would have made it much better.

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Catcliffe would never have got out in '96. It took a decade's distance for JC not to worry about it being snidey, slagging the place off etc. and you can see how they would have been embarrassed by the music. I mean, it's fantastic but more in a "What in earth is this mad lark?" in a years-later reissue way.

Agreed on Don't Lose It though. Some feel it sounds unfinished, not sure I agree. Even in its present/final state, is would have been most welcome as extra meat on the Something Changed single. The " let's replicate the tracklistings but swap a bra for pants and the bisexuals digging it might get us to number one" line was mildly amusing but a bit silly/infuriating.

It's interesting that they clearly felt that the well had run dry from the Different Class sessions and that none of the remaining songs unreleased until 2006 (Paula, Dance Again, Shakedown being the other three) were worthy of a re-record, let alone an overdub session on the demos. And you can kind of see why. Those three tracks are charming but have a whiff of naffness. Don't Lose It definitely deserved it's day in the sun though.

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As for b-sides and remixes in general, I think that they could have done a bit better at times. For comparison, Pulp released 4 b-sides on the "Different Class" singles (including "Underwear") and Suede released 14 on the "Coming Up" singles although there were 5 of them. There were definitely some demos that could have been used instead of those awful remixes. I'm not saying that they should have released all of them (see Blur; some of their b-sides really weren't worth the paper they were written on) but some of Pulp's singles could have been a bit better. "Party Hard" was probably one of the worst offenders, especially now we've heard "It's a Dirty World" which could have replaced the nice but pointless extended version of "The Fear" or the god-awful Stretch and Vern remix of the title track. Also, releasing two CDs with the same tracklisting for "Something Changed" was quite ridiculous. Sure, "Mile End" is great and the Moloko remix is interesting but sticking "Catcliffe Shakedown" and "Don't Lose It" on CD2 would have made it much better.

 There's artistic, clever, meaningful career suicide (see: the This Is Hardcore single) and then there's inept career suicide (releasing CD2 of Party Hard with two remixes, the second one of which was too long and made the CD chart ineligible).



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Also, releasing two CDs with the same tracklisting for "Something Changed" was quite ridiculous. Sure, "Mile End" is great and the Moloko remix is interesting but sticking "Catcliffe Shakedown" and "Don't Lose It" on CD2 would have made it much better.

 Or they could've gone the Common People route and given us more acoustic versions of past classics! Would love to hear stripped-down versions of Happy Endings, Babies, His 'n' Hers...



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