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PaulTMA


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hawalius1 wrote:

I'm not sure what you mean, can you be specific? I've got the original CD singles, Second Class and the Deluxe albums, and can't see any difference between them: all sound fine.

If you check the singles at PulpWiki I've added notes about how the EPs released so far differ from the original singles. The title tracks for Lipgloss and DYRTFT are not precisely the same as the original singles... but I wouldn't say they were compressed.

Most Pulp CD singles are dirt-cheap at Discogs.



-- Edited by hawalius1 on Wednesday 19th of July 2023 06:14:23 AM

I'm referring specifically to the mastering, and there is added compression/limiting applied to all of the 2006 remasters. 



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As for the Caff single, not sure what to do with that, nor with the Gift stuff either. Think the Peel Sessions would be up to the BBC and that's a whole bigger matter than just an accessible record label

James Nice of LTM/Les Disques du Crépuscule managed to get the tracks from the Field Mice single on Caff released as part of their CD reissue programme, so maybe he's a good place to start?

He's on Facebook as james.nice.37

 Ooo that sounds good, Ill drop him a message on Facebook and see what he can do. Update on Fire Records - got a reply back saying that Fire records people are looking into it, but she didnt say anything else about if they were actually going to make the changes. Ive got some hope but im not sure if theyll actually do anything. Lets hope they prove me wrong though.



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Can you point to a specific track as an example, and show what you're using to measure the difference? Happy to check the FLACs for the new EPs vs the original CDs if I know what you're looking for. Certainly looking at the files I can see no difference in the spectral or wave visualisations.

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Well I think I see what you mean. I've just checked the contrast between the quietest parts of some tracks and the loudest parts. There's certainly some variation, showing that they were mastered differently.

Street Lites - quiet bit from the intro, loud from the chorus
1 DYRTFT, 2 Second Class, 3 His 'n' Hers Deluxe, 4 Digital EP

1 - quiet -30.93 | loud -13.27 | contrast 17.66 dB RMS
2 - quiet -27.84 | loud -10.87 | contrast 16.97 dB RMS
3 - quiet -30.27 | loud -12.59 | contrast 17.68 dB RMS
4 - quiet -29.01 | loud -11.45 | contrast 17.57 dB RMS

Your Sister's Clothes - quiet bit from just before "but you're so perfect, you don't interest me", loud bit from the last chorus
1 Sisters EP, 2 Second Class, 3 His 'n' Hers Deluxe, 4 Digital EP

1 - quiet -20.61 | loud -12.65 | contrast 7.96 dB RMS
2 - quiet -19.30 | loud -11.64 | contrast 7.66 dB RMS
3 - quiet -18.70 | loud -11.23 | contrast 7.46 dB RMS
4 - quiet -18.48 | loud -11.09 | contrast 7.39 dB RMS

Mile End - quiet bit from the "da dum" bridge, loud from the chorus
1 Something Changed, 2 Second Class, 3 Different Class Deluxe, 4 Digital EP

1 - quiet -20.64 | loud -11.77 | contrast 8.87 dB RMS
2 - quiet -20.71 | loud -12.24 | contrast 8.47 dB RMS
3 - quiet -20.86 | loud -12.25 | contrast 8.61 dB RMS
4 - quiet -15.78 | loud -8.52 | contrast 7.26 dB RMS

This is a bit imprecise as I'm simply highlighting parts of each track in Audacity and checking the dB level.

The new digital EPs are all being mastered at Abbey Road, which seems to be standard process for getting Universal tracks ready for digital release, but they're not consistently louder.

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Great technical information here. Let's hope the Abbey Road remastered Disco 2000 single is better than the original release, the radio mix is fairly quiet.

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joemc5054 wrote:
dlgladwin wrote:
joemc5054 wrote:

As for the Caff single, not sure what to do with that, nor with the Gift stuff either. Think the Peel Sessions would be up to the BBC and that's a whole bigger matter than just an accessible record label

James Nice of LTM/Les Disques du Crépuscule managed to get the tracks from the Field Mice single on Caff released as part of their CD reissue programme, so maybe he's a good place to start?

He's on Facebook as james.nice.37

 Ooo that sounds good, Ill drop him a message on Facebook and see what he can do. Update on Fire Records - got a reply back saying that Fire records people are looking into it, but she didnt say anything else about if they were actually going to make the changes. Ive got some hope but im not sure if theyll actually do anything. Lets hope they prove me wrong though.

With the Caff single being a one-off archive release, I doubt the label (ie Bob Stanley from St Etienne) will actually own anything. It'll most likely have been licensed directly from the band at the time, and that's where ownership of the recordings would sit.

Bob Stanley is on Twitter if you want to ask him...



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The last thing we need is for any remasters to be any louder. This Is Hardcore has a dynamic range of 11 for its original release, which is pretty great for 1998's standards, but it is squashed to a 7 on the 2006 Deluxe. All three of the albums suffer from reduced dynamic range on these.

 

I think We Love Life has a DR of only 5, which is absolutely awful.  Sure any kind of remaster would have to improve on that even by just a bit.



-- Edited by PaulTMA on Thursday 20th of July 2023 06:30:39 PM

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Sturdy wrote:
joemc5054 wrote:
dlgladwin wrote:
joemc5054 wrote:

As for the Caff single, not sure what to do with that, nor with the Gift stuff either. Think the Peel Sessions would be up to the BBC and that's a whole bigger matter than just an accessible record label

James Nice of LTM/Les Disques du Crépuscule managed to get the tracks from the Field Mice single on Caff released as part of their CD reissue programme, so maybe he's a good place to start?

He's on Facebook as james.nice.37

 Ooo that sounds good, Ill drop him a message on Facebook and see what he can do. Update on Fire Records - got a reply back saying that Fire records people are looking into it, but she didnt say anything else about if they were actually going to make the changes. Ive got some hope but im not sure if theyll actually do anything. Lets hope they prove me wrong though.

With the Caff single being a one-off archive release, I doubt the label (ie Bob Stanley from St Etienne) will actually own anything. It'll most likely have been licensed directly from the band at the time, and that's where ownership of the recordings would sit.

Bob Stanley is on Twitter if you want to ask him...

 I'll venture into messaging him too, thank you for all this. 



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Disco 2000 EP out now!, and just to disappoint you all, the 7inch mix is just a direct copy of the album version, so thanks Universal for not checking the correct mix again. In other news, Ansaphone sounds amazing.

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Ansaphone - the original version, is finally on streaming! Along with Disco 2000 7" mix, Live Bed Show extended and a "Motiv 8 Gimp (!)" mix. They still managed to get the original release date wrong on Spotify (27th of December 1995?!) but good to have all of them on here.



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Live Bed Show extended is great to drown out my sorrows of the 7'' mix not being there for the time being. Hope it's fixed soon.

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Oh I don't believe it. We spotted this in advance and it was supposed to have been fixed.

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i know, and that's what has disappointed me as we were under the belief that the rest were going to be smooth sailing now. hope it's fixed for a little soul with Cocaine Socialism.


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That's safe, they had the correct version of Cocaine Socialism already. The worst clanger still to come, if it's not been fixed, is that Tomorrow Never Dies (the demo) appears mis-labelled in place of Tomorrow Never Lies. I've heard a preview of the fixed version of that, unlike Disco which was just on trust...

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how long does it take for them to fix these things on digital? just wondering as the Sorted EP still hasnt been 'sorted' and the Fire singles havent been fixed either.

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Weeks. I was warned the audio files needed to be delivered at least two weeks before, but seems more like four or more to go through the entire process. It was too late for Mis-Shapes and Sorted, and we tested a month ago.

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Ansaphone sounds so good!

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I've been assured that the team are trying to fix the 7" problem... lots of emails flying around between the consultant and Universal music! Seems to have been muddled up but they're doing what they can to reissue it. (And the rest of the reissue corrections should follow at a later date - these are in the works, though less urgently.)



-- Edited by hawalius1 on Friday 21st of July 2023 01:32:05 PM

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hawalius1 wrote:

I've been assured that the team are trying to fix the 7" problem... lots of emails flying around between the consultant and Universal music! Seems to have been muddled up but they're doing what they can to reissue it. (And the rest of the reissue corrections should follow at a later date - these are in the works, though less urgently.)



-- Edited by hawalius1 on Friday 21st of July 2023 01:32:05 PM

 Pulp's own twitter account said something similar - in fact they even dm'ed me with the tweet! Never would I have thought my favourite band ever would be messaging me on twitter...



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Disco2000 EP on Qobuz (download) : 8.69 euros. They must be mad! 

 

https://www.qobuz.com/fr-fr/album/disco-2000-ep-pulp/e4u9i2v6pj00a



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Sturdy wrote:
joemc5054 wrote:
dlgladwin wrote:
joemc5054 wrote:

As for the Caff single, not sure what to do with that, nor with the Gift stuff either. Think the Peel Sessions would be up to the BBC and that's a whole bigger matter than just an accessible record label

James Nice of LTM/Les Disques du Crépuscule managed to get the tracks from the Field Mice single on Caff released as part of their CD reissue programme, so maybe he's a good place to start?

He's on Facebook as james.nice.37

 Ooo that sounds good, Ill drop him a message on Facebook and see what he can do. Update on Fire Records - got a reply back saying that Fire records people are looking into it, but she didnt say anything else about if they were actually going to make the changes. Ive got some hope but im not sure if theyll actually do anything. Lets hope they prove me wrong though.

With the Caff single being a one-off archive release, I doubt the label (ie Bob Stanley from St Etienne) will actually own anything. It'll most likely have been licensed directly from the band at the time, and that's where ownership of the recordings would sit.

Bob Stanley is on Twitter if you want to ask him...

 Bob got back to me and said this:

'Hi Joseph
 
The rights are with the group. If I recall correctly, it was a soundcheck they recorded and then lent me the tape'
 
so that's that then, just need to lobby the band to see if they do release it.


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pulped wrote:

Disco2000 EP on Qobuz (download) : 8.69 euros. They must be mad! 

 

https://www.qobuz.com/fr-fr/album/disco-2000-ep-pulp/e4u9i2v6pj00a

 For the wrong version of Disco 2000 too!!



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The correct Disco 2000 single mix is now available !! with a length of 4:52, is the video version




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Great!

I see the original release is still there - that's due to be 'expired' shortly, apparently.

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