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Not the news.

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It's nothing TOO exciting, I just need to check I'm allowed to talk about it!

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That comment is been gleaned from the cognoscenti is itself encouraging news is afoot!

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It's nothing TOO exciting, I just need to check I'm allowed to talk about it!

 You can write about anything you want on here.  I am one of two or three moderators who is active, and I am highly unlikely to delete anything.



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Ha, I wasn't worried about being allowed to post here specifically, just needed to clarify whether news about the programme itself was embargoed for the time being.

So, what I'm allowed to say for now is that I've been interviewed for a 4 part documentary series on Britpop bands of the mid 90s, to be broadcast next spring. Focus obviously isn't exclusively on Pulp, but they will be heavily featured. I'm in there as a talking head and they also filmed me at a few Pulpy locations round Sheffield - not sure how much of that will be used though. At least one band member has also been interviewed!

I'm also trying to nudge them in the direction of using some more interesting/obscure archive footage, rather than the standard bits that get trotted out - we'll have to see if anything comes of that though...

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Exciting! Though I did groan when reading the word "Britpop". I thought maybe you'd been filmed for a three minute BBC "Look North" local news thing for next week when the tour dates are announced.

I'm sure you did a great job. Put it in your showreel to publishers for a Truth And Beauty deluxe

Is it for the Beeb? We want to see We Can Dance Again from the Prince's Trust gig in Dec'94! Side point, Guy Garvey did a "From The Vault" series on Sky I think during the summer looking at archive clips from ITV. In the Britpop episode, they dug out Pulp playing at the Leeds Warehouse in '93. I didn't see it but I assume the quality of the footage was better than what's on YouTube. Anyway, at least there's evidence that TV programme makers are capable of looking beyond the obvious.

Also interesting that a member of the band is being interviewed. I assumed that we'll get no press from Pulp next year as per 2011/12. Jarvis doing a never-ending publicity jaunt for his book (at least Mexico, Liverpool, Frankfurt in the past 6 weeks from what I've seen) has surely reminded him of the boredom of doing press and how tiring the travel is.

Anyway...well done!

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Not currently allowed to say what channel or owt else about it! They do have access to a wealth of archive apparently though.

I saw the Guy Garvey thing had something Pulpy from local ITV but wasn't sure what it was - thought it said something about an old interview actually. Did anyone see it?

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Oh, and the Britpop thing - yes, I hear you, but for mainstream general interest telly I guess they need an "in". They do seem to want to go reasonably in-depth though, and based purely on the interview we had they certainly seem to want to talk properly about the roots of the band rather than straight in in '94 or whatever.



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Cool! (By the way, that was a winky emoji after the Truth and Beauty comment, not sure why it doesn't show!).

Re Garvey, I think it might have been the Jarvis and Russell interview from The Warehouse but I couldn't manage to find it when I did a trial with Sky's channels a couple of months back.

Giles Acyrylic is usually good for tweeting notifications of stuff like that, maybe it passed him by too.

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Not currently allowed to say what channel or owt else about it! They do have access to a wealth of archive apparently though.

A friend of mine was once involved in a minor TV programme about football and said that the cost of various clips was a significant factor in determining what got used, so maybe obscure is better from that point of view.

 



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Mark, is this Channel 5 Britpop series starting soon, the thing that you were interviewed for?

https://www.tvzoneuk.com/post/pr-storyofbritpop-c5



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Looks like it!

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Would be a bit too emotional if the one band member interviewed that you mentioned, was Steve.

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Nope, Candida. They were still trying to work on some of the others when I spoke to them.

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Exciting news there Sturdy. Look forward to the programme next year then.

Next week... ARG!!!!!!!



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So, I'm informed that there'll be no Pulp in the first episode this Sunday. For that sort of thing (including, erm, me) you'll be wanting parts 2 and 3.

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The Menswear singer I think(?), Johnny Dean, has been tweeting about it a lot.

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Well, I thought the first episode was pretty good! Nice one to see Ed Buller in there, and some behind the scenes outtakes from Pedro Romanyi's Parklife video. Hopefully bodes well for next week...

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Yeah, it was OK. Would have liked more about the "genesis" of it from 1992/93 and the artier side (St Etienne, The Auteurs, more Suede (1993-mania, Mercury Prize win, Stay Together single - the highest-charting 'Britpop' single until Some Might Say got to number 1 a year later, I think) 1992 Blur (i.e Popscene), Pulp from that time) which has never been captured well on any of these many Britpop documentaries compared to say John Harris' The Last Party book.

At four parts and at the end of the first ep, they're already up to summer '95 I hope there's a fair bit of catch-up on Pulp to that point. The Oasis and Blur quotient is already pretty high (predictable if understandable).



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Not sure how strictly chronological it'll be - we'll have to see I suppose.

I guess what's of interest to us lifelong scholars of this stuff isn't necessarily the same as what you'd aim at the typical Sunday night Channel 5 crowd.

Also: Christ everyone looks old. Glass houses I realise, considering my bit's not been on yet...

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Sure, I get the mass appeal bit. But a four part doc (an hour and a half each albeit with many ad-breaks) does set it up as being quite comprehensive. The talking heads so far are all pretty well-known so you're gonna be amongst illustrious company.

I'm sure there'll be a drama made about this at some stage. The Brett-Damon-Justine triangle alone and the individual successes and fails of all three is just too rich not to have a go at it. I've just finished Danny Boyle's Pistols series and actually really liked it by the end.



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Looking forward to part two. Strange how Channel 5 regularly does this weird thing where the on-screen title ("The Story Of Britpop") never matches that in the the listings guide ("Britpop: The Music That Changed Britain").

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Well done, Sturdy! Concise, informative and you looked young especially compared to all the 90s dinosaurs chiming in with their tuppence biggrin

I thought that you actually sound a little like Steve. Your voice was heard before your face was shown, and I did think it was our dear Mr Mackey for a sec.

A decent amount on Pulp in this ep with as good a potted history as you could hope for on these type of shows. Did you nod them towards the 80s live pic they showed?



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Thanks! I was dreading it but didn't think it was too bad. Of course they only used a fragment of what we filmed but that's to be expected.

The live pic from Bradford? Believe it or not, someone on the production team was at that gig, and one of his mates took the photo.

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Incidentally, did anyone notice what was on my T shirt...?

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Incidentally, did anyone notice what was on my T shirt...?



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Incidentally, did anyone notice what was on my T shirt...?

 You did well Mr Sturdy, i enjoyed it!- I did actually notice your T-shirt- was it something to do with Russell Senior and Venini? 



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Yes! The only Venini T shirt in the world, as far as I know.

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I watched both episodes today. There was certainly a decent amount of Pulp in the second episode. Are they going to be in the third episode? I'm guessing that the Brit Awards and "This is Hardcore" could be featured.

And Sturdy, I can only agree with the other comments. I don't think that you have changed since I met you at the book launch about 20 years ago.

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Thanks Ian, I'll pass on your kind compliments to the make-up department!

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Where can we watch It?

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Yes! The only Venini T shirt in the world, as far as I know.

  That has tickled me. Nice one.



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Yes! The only Venini T shirt in the world, as far as I know.

 Its a very cool t shirt



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Where can we watch It?

 Its on in the UK on Channel 5- they have an app called My5-  so you can watch it on catch up



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But maybe not outside the UK. I'm sure someone will youtube it at some stage.

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I was also very surprised to hear "Everybody's Problem"

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Outside of the UK, how does one get a look at this Venini tee??

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Imagine a slightly faded 12x12 print of the Mon Camion sleeve on, erm, a T shirt.

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Sturdy should change his Twitter avatar to it.

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The live pic from Bradford? Believe it or not, someone on the production team was at that gig, and one of his mates took the photo.

 

That is class! Sounds like some of the makers of this are big Pulp fans!



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Loving the new avatar Mark.

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Well... Not quite sure what's happened here. But it looks like the remaining 2 episodes have been bumped from the Sunday evening slot: ep3 went out at 5am on Friday, ep4 at 3.20am yesterday! Maybe no one watched the first two?

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Weird. If they've already aired, that must be why someone on Twitter said yesterday that the all the episodes are available to stream on Channel 5's online player.

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Does anyone know what the interview footage with Jarvis and Mark is from?

 

Also there is a bit about This Is Hardcore in the last third of ep 4.



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Finished the series this morning - Loved it!! Made me feel good. Lots of archival footage which I love because hey I work in archives, had a good arc and great that its repositioned the importance + coolness of women in many of the bands- and not just subpar / girlfriends. As someone not from the uk I still think a fresh pair of Adidas Trimm Trabbs, jeans and a kangol bucket hat is still the coolest thing in the world. You can snigger at me - I know its dumb. Interesting to see who they got to talk - 2 from blur, 2 from Pulp, Bez, McGee, someone from Space, CAST, Inspirals, Boo Radleys, Shed Seven and Stephen Street. I wish their were 'extras' so you could see the extended interviews.

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Does anyone know what the interview footage with Jarvis and Mark is from?

That's a good point, I'm not sure actually! Thought it might be The O Zone but having checked they're wearing different clothes. Something from MTV maybe.

I thought the last episode was possibly the best one. Man there was an awful lot about The Verve though.



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They weren't even "Britpop", in most definitions of the term.

Considering C5 relegated the later episodes to the graveyard slot, any Doyle, Banks and Sturdy outtakes will likely be lost forever. There ain't gonna be a DVD with extras of this!

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There was a lot about CAST! But it made me dig out my Space CDs.

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Found a link for all the episodes without adverts, hopefully it works for those who haven't seen it/are outside the UK: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1b0_SidNVFT2TpOoK3hYiqBylYXqHGI3Y



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Oh, good work!

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Found a link for all the episodes without adverts, hopefully it works for those who haven't seen it/are outside the UK: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1b0_SidNVFT2TpOoK3hYiqBylYXqHGI3Y

I was a dozy git and managed to miss these, and now the link's been taken down. I don't suppose some kind soul happened to grab them who wouldn't mind sharing them with me?



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Eamonn wrote:

Found a link for all the episodes without adverts, hopefully it works for those who haven't seen it/are outside the UK: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1b0_SidNVFT2TpOoK3hYiqBylYXqHGI3Y

I was a dozy git and managed to miss these, and now the link's been taken down. I don't suppose some kind soul happened to grab them who wouldn't mind sharing them with me?




I was going to create a backup but didn't get there in time.

I have one of those browser add-ons that can download videos but I can't get it to display on their website in order to do this. I can only watch it on the app.

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