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What I'm really wondering about is the whereabouts of the unreleased version of "Sink or Swim" as well as "Mr. Morality" from the It Sessions. I wonder why either of them didn't make it onto the reissue in 2012 (but I did hear that Sink or Swim was likely unmixed and I've also never heard the latter song so I wouldn't know if it was worth being on It.).

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I think its safe to assume that the unreleased sink or swim IS the one on the it reiussue

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I believe it's not the one from the It session, and is just the one from the demo tape.

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Thank you for your notes on the list Stephen. It's reassuring to hear the Rotherham demo still exists in listenable quality, and it is understandable that the owner of the tape would hold that stance regarding circulation. I do hope that they have made a digital copy for preservation purposes, though.

My notes on the school gig in 1980 were based on the PulpWiki's notes about there being two potential recordings made; one by Jarvis's maths teacher (which was promptly taped over) and one by a school friend on cassette. The former one is definitely gone now, and it's very likely that the latter is, too. It would take nothing short of a miracle for this to appear; arguably the Holy Grail of live Pulp recordings!

Regarding the two recordings that either belong to Bath Uni or The Limit ('Teen Angst' and 'How Could You?'), I was sure their definitive sources were mentioned too, but a quick look through the forum postings made at the time didn't yield any definitive info. I found info on some of the other tracks that were shared, but not those two specifically. It's quite possible I missed something though (I knocked up the list on my lunch break, so it was a bit rushed).

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I don't remember which live tapes i shared these tracks from..
However, the Bath Uni recording sounds more 'live' and the vocal distorts compared to the Limit club recording which sounds more 'studio' and no distortion..
Does that help identify which tracks have come from where?

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JASON wrote:

I don't remember which live tapes i shared these tracks from..
However, the Bath Uni recording sounds more 'live' and the vocal distorts compared to the Limit club recording which sounds more 'studio' and no distortion..
Does that help identify which tracks have come from where?


Ah yes, that helps greatly, thank you. (And thanks again for the tracks themselves)

Based on that, I'd say my original hypothesis is likely to be correct:

  • Teen Angst - Bath Uni
  • How Could You? - The Limit

Theres definitely a lot more vocal distortion on 'Teen Angst' than there is on 'How Could You?', at least to my ears.



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nrb602 wrote:

What I'm really wondering about is the whereabouts of the unreleased version of "Sink or Swim" as well as "Mr. Morality" from the It Sessions. I wonder why either of them didn't make it onto the reissue in 2012 (but I did hear that Sink or Swim was likely unmixed and I've also never heard the latter song so I wouldn't know if it was worth being on It.).


I suspect they're long lost.

As both songs were left unmixed, it's highly likely the only place they ever existed was on the original multi-track tapes from the sessions. These probably wouldn't have been kept - usual practice in cheap 1980s recording studios would be for the studio to keep the multi-track tape and reuse it for something else once the final mix has been done.

Please Don't Worry and the early Blue Girls are different because they were mixed at the time, and have survived on pre-release cassettes that some of the band took home. Sink Or Swim is indeed the Spice demo version.



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A shame in that case that the rest of the Spice demos weren't included on the 2012 It reissue. Maybe they gave all the tracks a little bit of remastering treatment but Jarvis only agreed to include Sink Or Swim for whatever reason. I guess he had already dug out Sickly Grin in 1992 for the Caff vinyl issue of My Legendary Girlfriend. So that just leaves an early version of Boats And Trains which is a slight, short little thing anyway and The Heat Of The Day.

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Time for another one of my big walls of text. I've gone through the list of unreleased pre-1982 Pulp songs, and made a list of what exists, what's likely to exist, and what has little or no chance of existing:

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Songs which have little or no chance of existing (as original recordings) anymore

Disco Baby (c.1980, very little information about it)
Don't Want to Know (c.1981, very little information about it)
I Wave You Goodbye (performed live at Crucible Theatre, 24 Oct 82, no known recordings exist)
I've Been Looking at the World Today (c.1979, written about in 'Truth & Beauty')
Life Is a Circle (snippet performed acoustically at City School in Sheffield in 2011 when Jarvis was there to talk about 'Mother, Brother, Lover')
Message to the Martians (later evolved into 'Refuse To Be Blind')
Mr Morality (left unmixed; the tape was likely to have been re-used)
Queen Poser (performed live in 1980, no known recordings)
Shakespeare Rock (played acoustically on Sky Arts programme 'Songbook')
She's a Disease (performed live in 1980/1981, no known recordings of those gigs exist)
Stay (performed live at Crucible Theatre, 24 Oct 82, no known recordings exist)
Test Of Affection (performed live in 1981, no known recordings exist)
The Condom Song (c.1979, played at rehearsals)
What You Gonna Do About It? (c.1980, played at rehearsals)
You're Too Cruel (c.1980, very little information about it)
You Should've Known (c.1979, written about in 'Truth & Beauty')

Songs which may possibly exist as a live recording, but have not been circulated

How Could You Leave Me? (16 Jan 82, Bath University)
Red Letter Day (13 Apr 82, The Limit)
Teen Angst (13 Apr 82, The Limit)
Thrash (16 Jan 82, Bath University)
Why Live? (16 Jan 82, Bath University)

Songs which definitely exist as demos

Barefoot in the Park (Rotherham demo)
How Could You Leave Me? (Rotherham demo)
Teen Angst (Rotherham demo)
The Heat of the Day (Spice demo)
Why Live? (Rotherham demo)

Songs which have been circulated as live recordings

Barefoot in the Park (13 Apr 82, The Limit)
How Could You? (28 Feb 82, Hallamshire Hotel) (13 Apr 82, The Limit)
I Scrubbed The Crabs That Killed Sheffield (16 Jan 82, Bath University)
Teen Angst (16 Feb 82, Bath University) (28 Feb 82, Hallamshire Hotel)
Thrash (28 Feb 82, Hallamshire Hotel)
(What's Wrong With) My Girl (28 Feb 82, Hallamshire Hotel)
You Go First (13 Apr 82, The Limit)
You've Got a Face (13 Apr 82, The Limit)
Zhivago (16 Jan 82, Bath University) (28 Feb 82, Hallamshire Hotel)

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This list doesn't take into account what may be in the Marples tape, as no set-list of that gig has appeared at this stage. You'd probably be looking at a similar set-list to Bath Uni or The Limit (23 Feb 82). So probably something like:

  • Thrash
  • Please Don't Worry
  • What Do You Say?
  • How Could You?
  • Refuse To Be Blind
  • Turkey Mambo Momma
  • Teen Angst
  • Why Live?

Maybe 'Zhivago', '(What's Wrong With) My Girl' or 'Crabs' as well; depends how long their set was. But I'd wager the set-list looked something like the above.



-- Edited by salmon92 on Sunday 9th of August 2020 06:20:58 PM

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This list just about sums it up. Brilliant. From what I've heard from the Limit show in April as well as descriptions of the songs that haven't circulated from that show, the show must have been a strange one with the mix of their early power pop, that ska attempt, and ballads (How Could You? as well as the desc. of Red Letter Day).



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-- Edited by nrb602 on Friday 24th of July 2020 05:39:21 PM

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I think Sink of Swim from the Spice Demo was included on the It reissue as it was well known it was recorded for it, and fans would have expected it to be in there. But the best available - and properly mixed version - only resides on the Spice Demo. So that was used instead.

Fairly sure the version they used came from a different source to the one I found but wasn't able to hear!

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Eamonn wrote:

A shame in that case that the rest of the Spice demos weren't included on the 2012 It reissue. Maybe they gave all the tracks a little bit of remastering treatment but Jarvis only agreed to include Sink Or Swim for whatever reason. I guess he had already dug out Sickly Grin in 1992 for the Caff vinyl issue of My Legendary Girlfriend. So that just leaves an early version of Boats And Trains which is a slight, short little thing anyway and The Heat Of The Day.


Boats and Trains on Spice is the one that's on the album. Exactly the same version.



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