Mucing? Sounds geordie for a nasty infection... Best case scenario, new reissue/remaster Pulp project (Different Class 25?...An Intro to WLL complete remodel would be better!) but I'd be surprised.
'Mucing' is a terrible condition that you may also know as 'Fat Thumbs'. It can be easily treatable simply by reading what you have typed before posting.
Yeah of course... It'll be Different Class 25. I was hoping for WWL deluxe but it's never gonna happen (I am ALWAYS wrong, so the more I say this the more likely it becomes, you see what I mean?)
Ah, DC25 would be alright wouldn't it. Maybe I'll finally get my mits on the LP with changable covers. Without spending £125+! Hope they opt for the single version of Disco 2000 and the extended Live Bed Show.
Stopped even dreaming about a WLL special. But then it is odd that everything else has been reissued in some form. If the band are through now it would provide a little closure you'd think.
Another one-off single like After You would be special but hardly likely.
I would say Pulp are a decent bet to reform next year for the Glastonbury 50th anniversary. It's surprising that the 1995 headlining performance has never got a full, official release, maybe this is what they're working on.
I would say Pulp are a decent bet to reform next year for the Glastonbury 50th anniversary. It's surprising that the 1995 headlining performance has never got a full, official release, maybe this is what they're working on.
Oooh, good point. I hope Candida is still able to play. I'm sure there'd be no lack of will to reform but Reunion One was some time ago now
As much as we all love Candida, and with her participation on the keys somewhat not on her usual standard during the reunion - how would everyone react if someone was to sit in her place? I honestly love all the synth work, stylo etc - but always felt the reunion was somewhat guitar heavy, and not as synth orientated. Id love the balance to be more level if there was ever to be a return, and I would obviously love that to be via Candida - however would we accept someone in place?
I guess you could also get Mark to do more keys and have someone else to accompany Leo Abrahams on guitar (or two new guitarists if Leo didn't return). Weird, I couldn't remember Leo's surname and upon searching for it just now on Pulpwiki, I came to a page on a festival performance in Portugal in 2011 and it says that Russell's assistant/stylist, Ralph Razor, played keyboards!
Russell's violin parts (often as important as Candida's parts) were done by a female violinist for some of the reunion gigs so hopefully Candida's possible absence wouldn't be a deal-breaker. I think even if she could only make the barest contribution she'd still want to be involved, it's sweet that she's been to a couple of the Jarv Is shows in East London (where she lives, I think).
Considering Pulp's lineup has been relatively stable for over 30 years, I really don't think any member would complain if they couldn't/wouldn't return for a second reunion or new recordings and were replaced. They carried on and made two albums after Russell left in 1997 (when they were still selling lots of records) so I think getting other people involved now really wouldn't be an issue.
-- Edited by Ian on Tuesday 16th of July 2019 03:24:12 PM
Considering Pulp's lineup has been relatively stable for over 30 years, I really don't think any member would complain if they couldn't/wouldn't return for a second reunion or new recordings and were replaced. They carried on and made two albums after Russell left in 1997 (when they were still selling lots of records) so I think getting other people involved now really wouldn't be an issue.
-- Edited by Ian on Tuesday 16th of July 2019 03:24:12 PM
Agreed, though I'd feel a little sad in front of a Candida-less stage. Beggars can't be choosers though!
Am I alone in thinking this is a 'Jarv Is ' thing rather than a Pulp thing? Steve played bass live for the Jarvis solo shows didn't he (I seem to remember at least one show I went to with him there) so it's not as if he hasn't done things with his solo stuff before.
Plus rather oddly Must I Evolve suddenly got added to the A List of 6Music weeks after it had been out and hardly had a play recently. Makes me wonder if it's been done to time with an album announcement or something.
I'm sure Jarvis had been at Abbey Studios as part of a Jarv Is thing previously too.
Or maybe I'm wrong and it'll be a 27 minute remix that they've done for the next Baxter Dury song or whatever
I did briefly think it might be for Jarv Is too but Steve hasn't been involved with the solo material in a decade plus Andrew McKinney is the bassist for the current project. Although I had forgotten about Steve being a producer in his own right, so maybe he has produced the Jarv Is album.
I'd still wager that it's Different Class Silver Anniversary related. According to the original album liner notes, Geoff Pesche (the guy in the photo above) was one of the two people who mastered Different Class in the long hot summer of 1995. (I also see that Blur have announced some odds and sods vinyl and merch to mark Parklife being 25.)
I know it's been stated on here before that there's not much more to release from their all conquering year of '95 but they demo'd 12 songs in Sheffield the week Common People was at number 2. Four of them were unreleased songs until the 2006 reissue so that leaves 8 early versions of album songs which would take up half a disc. Fill it with b-sides, extended/alternate versions of certain songs. First disc of the album alone, remastered (again?!) most likely.I think a Glasto'95 full set (nicely timed to fit onto a CD) is a decent shout too and if they're gonna get all super-deluxe on our asses, you could have a fourth CD of radio sessions/live (Bristol Sound City, Le Top Live/Black Session) and a wealth of 1995/96 TV appearances for a DVD/Bluray (although given YouTube has almost all of that stuff you'd wonder is it worth the hassle to pay for all the licensed content. More home movie footage like they included in the Hits DVD would be great, maybe they'd do new interviews with the band/a making-of doc too).
If it was more vinyl-related they could always redo the album with the much-coveted twelve-in-one covers and have the four singles as reissued 7/12"s. (Were some of the DC singles never issued on vinyl in the first place?)
I'd kinda rather Pulp did an everything-but-the-kitchen-sink reissue all in one go of all the four albums on Island at the same time because the trend for box-set music retrospectives may not still be here in ten years time. Also, Pulp notoriously play down their achievements and probably all have a love-hate relationship with the group so to hope that they do this three or four more times would probably be wishful thinking. A host of less successful groups than Pulp have put out extravagant multi disc/vinyl reissues so I don't think there should be too much concern over commercial viability of anything from the Island years.
After all the above, it's probably something boring and unimaginative now or as you said, related to their production on other artists material!
-- Edited by Eamonn on Friday 19th of July 2019 09:01:57 AM
I have always said there's a better mastering of DC to be made. Aside from a few spacious bits on I Spy and F.E.E.L.I.N.G. the album sounds like an old mono LP. We all know there are dense layers of instrumentation in that album but it's all been crushed down into a radio-friendly strum and thurn. Its like: I want to sit in the middle of these songs, but the way the album has been mastered it like the songs are being played a 100 yards away. That's probably intentional but honestly it just doesn't really do justice to the songs in todays fancy headphones & Hi-Fi atmos stereo systems.
So yeah I would totally buy a re-master if it unpacked the layers and let let them breathe a bit.
But I reckon this is a session for Jarv's new album, whatever it turns out to be. And yeah, I will probably buy that too.
-- Edited by Fuss Free on Tuesday 23rd of July 2019 06:48:35 PM
Completely agree that DC sounds far too compressed, by design I'm sure.
Not convinced another remastering would remedy the spacial sound experience...
But....But....a complete remix certainly would, which would be my personal road to go down.
Anyroad, it's a magic lp as it is, it's not a flawed product by any standards but i don't have any apetite or enthusiasm for another remaster of questionable sonic difference.
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I have always said there's a better mastering of DC to be made. Aside from a few spacious bits on I Spy and F.E.E.L.I.N.G. the album sounds like an old mono LP. We all know there are dense layers of instrumentation in that album but it's all been crushed down into a radio-friendly strum and thurn. Its like: I want to sit in the middle of these songs, but the way the album has been mastered it like the songs are being played a 100 yards away. That's probably intentional but honestly it just doesn't really do justice to the songs in todays fancy headphones & Hi-Fi atmos stereo systems.
So yeah I would totally buy a re-master if it unpacked the layers and let let them breathe a bit.
But I reckon this is a session for Jarv's new album, whatever it turns out to be. And yeah, I will probably buy that too.
-- Edited by Fuss Free on Tuesday 23rd of July 2019 06:48:35 PM
Agree, in these days we can make some older record really good. the Beatles reissues were astonishing, even on the Esher demos, and something could be done with DC. Still hoping for unreleased material, like WLL demos or stuff like that though.
Yeah, maybe they remastered DC too as the guy in the pic didn't work on HnH. A bit disappointing this, the blurb mentions Babies but the tracklisting is as per the original ten track UK vinyl release. A lot of turning over and switching records too, not sure if the superior audio will be clear enough to make up for that!
I'd be more tempted if they included the b-sides or tracklisting as per the MusicOnVinyl HnH release from 2012 (which in turn was a transfer of the 2CD 2006 deluxe edition). Or including the Sisters EP at least might make this more tempting.
Remastered at Abbey Road supervised by Steve Mackey (Pulp bass player and producer). Steve later went on to produce for MIA, Florence + The Machine, Arcade Fire etc.
-- Edited by ArrGee on Saturday 5th of October 2019 11:34:18 AM
Yeah, maybe they remastered DC too as the guy in the pic didn't work on HnH. A bit disappointing this, the blurb mentions Babies but the tracklisting is as per the original ten track UK vinyl release. A lot of turning over and switching records too, not sure if the superior audio will be clear enough to make up for that!
I'd be more tempted if they included the b-sides or tracklisting as per the MusicOnVinyl HnH release from 2012 (which in turn was a transfer of the 2CD 2006 deluxe edition). Or including the Sisters EP at least might make this more tempting.
Additionally, there is at least an album's worth of material from this period we haven't heard such as the rest of the Fallout Shelter demos, the Ed Buller remix of "Pink Glove" and the Ian Broudie remix of "Lipgloss". The Suede reissues were worth buying because of the wealth of extra material.
Not so much it is poor, but not sure I want to pay £30 for an LP I have in 5 different versions again. And if I am not going to buy it who will?
Those who have less than five different versions of it maybe? ;) The only reason I'll consider buying this is that I don't have any HnH vinyls.
In addition to the stuff Ian mentioned, I'd love to hear the early demos from the September '93 sessions prior to the album being recorded. Unfortunately, a straightforward anniversary reissue of an album such as this vinyl makes it less likely that a more thorough multi-disc reissue of the same era will come out anytime soon. If they aren't going to do such a thing on an album by album basis, maybe just do a nice box of (major label) career-spanning 1992-2002 with extra discs of live and demo recordings like Blur have done and Supergrass are doing shortly.
The only reason I'll consider buying this is that I don't have any HnH vinyls.
Sure but the last single LP version is still available, so why pay twice as much for the same material? Would like to hear if it sounds any different before I commit.
Do a nice box of (major label) career-spanning 1992-2002 with extra discs of live and demo recordings like Blur have done and Supergrass are doing shortly.
As all the Island LPs (except Intro and arguably Hits) are out there and still available, I am not sure there is the demand. But then again as a sucker who has bought Bowie & Suede boxes of stuff I mostly had, I guess I would buy it.