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ade wrote:
Eamonn wrote:

It's back (in full effect)!

Will we need to go DarkWeb on this at some stage to keep the powers that be at bay?


Have the band collectively or individually expressed any opinions on bootlegs? The best thing to do to keep the site safe is to make sure there are no copies of official releases on there. That more or less means the record company are out of the equation. Ian feel free to pm me if you want a chat I've been doing stuff like this a very long time. 


I don't think they ever have. There are a couple of songs on there that were officially released (such as "Everybody's Problem" and "Silence") but have never been reissued in any quantity so I still class them as rare. There are also some songs on there that were only released on compilations and some of Jarvis' collaborations were released. I'd say these make up less than 1% of the content. 

The site is only advertised as a source of information on live shows, not a collection of downloads and that's how it appears in searches so hopefully that will keep any objectors at bay. 

Finally, if anyone is interested, Pulp's 1987 appearance at the Barracuda club is the most popular page on there followed by the Razzmatazz Barcelona in 2002. There have been 6,433 visitors since the site launched (though I'm guessing the majority of these are bots).



-- Edited by Ian on Saturday 21st of September 2019 01:37:34 PM

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Just listening to the Pulp Fiction Romance - Aston Villa Lesuire Centre boot from the site.

I remember very well buying a CD of that bootleg at a record fair in Newcastle (t'was at the now demolished Mayfair in the mid 1990s)

The CD I bought was of an audio recording where the audio sample rate was slower and the whole thing was pitch shifted down a notch .

The songs sounded kinda ok - but when Jarv talked you could really tell... I listened to it a lot regardless (as I only exclusively listened to Pulp in those days!) I eventually swapped the CD to her another Pulp boot at another record fair...

Anyway - I was wondering what was the source for the bootleg on the site? Did someone speed the rate back up or was there a better CD out there?

At the time I'd have been 13 or 14 and buying a CD or record was a big deal as it was like 2 or 3 week's pocket money! It's so awesome to hear it again at it's proper speed! Takes me right back!

Thanks to all who are helping with this project!






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Those gigs (Aston Villa and Ally Pally) were 25 years ago this week!


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There are two different bootlegs, "Fiction Romance" and "England 1994" which is the former with some bonus tracks tacked on.

I think the audio was actually slowed down for "England 1994" because the bonus tracks are slower too and this CD appeared later.

I bought "England 1994" from a record fair around 20 years ago but not sure where I got "Fiction Romance" from originally, possibly copied from Mike Siou.

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Just thinking that there may be some Pulp live recordings on YouTube not covered by the archive. One that I know of is the 1993 Phoenix Festival, notable as it features Lipgloss and Have You Seen Her Lately which were both recorded in the studio that month.

[video=https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5eeEaDK1sgU]


Also, the Jarvis and Hawley collaboration Happy New Year from the pre-WLL era is on the BBC Sounds website having been played by Jarvis on one of his later radio shows (the only instance of the ever-modest Mr Cocker playing one of his own songs on the airwaves?); might be good to preserve that in case it disaapears:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p04m3pqg



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Edit I'm a fool I didn't see how old this thread is and saw Stephens newer thread announcing the archive going up.



-- Edited by Towel on Wednesday 16th of October 2019 11:51:26 PM

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So instead I'll say thank you very much to Stephen for even sharing this with everybody, it's very generous.

From what I've seen of various communities in the past when it comes to a collection like this, it's usually a closed shop of a select few sitting on rare material and refusing to share it despite happily bragging about it. I'll concede some collectors have paid good money for it but the ones who come across it free and close the doors behind them are the ones I've come across sadly. 

The kudos of being the one with that rare item can outweigh whether or not the fan base as a whole will enjoy it so it's really great that you've decided to just get this out there! Thanks to Ian too for what must be a pretty big task .



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Towel wrote:

So instead I'll say thank you very much to Stephen for even sharing this with everybody, it's very generous.

From what I've seen of various communities in the past when it comes to a collection like this, it's usually a closed shop of a select few sitting on rare material and refusing to share it despite happily bragging about it. I'll concede some collectors have paid good money for it but the ones who come across it free and close the doors behind them are the ones I've come across sadly. 

The kudos of being the one with that rare item can outweigh whether or not the fan base as a whole will enjoy it so it's really great that you've decided to just get this out there! Thanks to Ian too for what must be a pretty big task .


As one of those who operates a 'closed shop' for several I will happily give you my reasons.

Real fans would always be welcome to download personally I don't care whether they contribute anything back (it's nice if they do) or actually even if they say thanks or not. My problems are those who download to burn cds and sell on ebay, those who download and re-up to filehosts like rapidgator or turbobit which they can make money off (go to guitars101 and it looks like overwhelming generosity until you check out the filehosts used by most) and those who simply copy and paste links to other sites as if they were their own (maccafan076/rael076 who you might see on various internet sites is a prime example). Links that get copied and pasted tend to get hammered and no free provision file host will stand for large percentages of their bandwidth being used by a free user's downloads meaning the links will likely get shut down. I do realise that 99% of fans just want to download and wouldn't do any of that but blame the 1% of those who do. As you say uploading substantial amounts is a big undertaking done out of generosity and generally gratefulness for what you've got but having personally been the victim three times of huge filehost wipeouts (20gb, 50gb, 40gb) because of particularly copying and pasting links the choice at that point is to pack it in or go behind closed doors. I chose the latter.   There is another reason for sitting on (ultra) rare material and that is so you have something to trade should you need it to get something else out of sticky hands. Personally I'm trying to get the last six existing recordings of one band out of those who have them's hands and it's hard work. Waving stuff they don't have in front of their faces is the only way to do it but if you suddenly decide to upload it anyway they have lost their incentive to deal with you.  



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