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Finally found my Pulp flash drive the other day. 53GB of bootlegs, live stuff, demos, outtakes, visual stuff, etc. Very little of it circulates, especially these days. I want to make it available. It's probably the second or third largest collection of Pulp stuff that anyone outside the group has. It's particularly strong for the 80s stuff. Much less so for 1994 onwards.

Does someone have the ability to set up some sort of site (ftp?) With a password login and an easy way of structuring files so I can upload stuff there in a way that allows stuff to be eaailt findable. Ideally I'd like it so anyone can upload stuff. Double ideally it'd be great if stuff was playable online rather than necessarily needed downloading. We'd need somewhere that could take c100GB of stuff, allowing for other users to upload.

I'd also ideally like this to be really easy for me to be able to do, and for no ownership to sit with me in case anyone has an issue with this idea!
Can this be done?



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Duuuuude, so generous!
Please include the Senior Kitchen Table convo.

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Mediafire account? Use one of the Bar Italia Yahoo addresses as the login?

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Mediafire are choc-full of ads and dodgy, fake 'download' buttons tho, aren't they? I was hoping for something more user friendly and accessible really... And yes, Eamonn. Yes, I know! :)



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That sounds terrific! Unfortunately I can't help, I have way too little knowledge of these things.

if there's tedious easy stuff to be done, I'm in :)

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Sounds like a lovely idea. What about an unlimited Soundcloud account or a Bandcamp page (if they allow it)?



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or a Google account because that allows you to upload to create a structure with folders?

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Do you want it where anyone can access the links or would you prefer this to be by registration only? If you set up some DropBoxes or whatever I could put together a page where people can register then when logging on they would see a central index. This would make it easier to find certain material because it would all appear to be in one place despite linking to several DropBoxes

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Mega are good for this kind of thing.

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Oooh uh could I help organize anything??



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Torrents?

If you separate all the files in the torrent, rather than having "one big zip", then people can pick and choose their favourite tracks, makes it easier at the user side of things.
On the "You uploading it" side of things, it means you'll need to leave something running, but it'll be infinitely better to have folk be able to access "something", rather than have you sit there uploading 50+GB, and then having it be taken down because.. .. that's going to get taken down ;)

The hardest thing would be getting the torrent going to begin with.
Magnet links are super handy for those of us on Virgin Media, who have done a mighty fine job of blocking any/all torrent access!!

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I think torrents are only useful when a lot of people are seeding, do you guys expect that there will be that much interest? would be great if so of course...

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what about the pulp wiki? cant we make a section for the archive? or would it not be enough room for the 50+ gb

 



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I would like to be able to download.

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What formats are your files in?  FLAC? WAV? Or MP3s?



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Workupload.com gives 50gb free, no ads or pop ups, reasonable upload speed and fast download. If you don't change any settings files are stored for 6 months after the last download of each. Mega also gives 50gb again no ads or pop ups but does limit the amount an individual can download at a time but does store files permanently. Google drive is 15gb free but will suspend your account if the traffic becomes excessive. Box.com will give you 10gb free but the traffic limit is 10gb per month so if one person downloads everything everyone else is shut out. pcloud.com will also give you 10gb free, if you're willing to pay it gets very good reviews. Mediafire 10gb free but I agree with the earlier posters summary. Dropbox will, like google and one drive, shut down anything creating excessive traffic. Personally I like sync.com a lot but it only gives 5gb free.

And yes I do have all of them.

The easiest way to take advantage of the freebies rather than pay is to split stuff according to year. Then you've also got some protection against loss of files (a filefactory speciality along with slow downloads).

Hope some of this helps, good luck.

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Been meaning to post this, I put together a quick prototype website over the weekend. Something like this could serve as a central index so if, as you correctly say above, accounts are blocked due to excessive traffic, it's just a case of changing some of the links on the site. We could also minimise this risk by uploading to a few different locations and providing alt links. 



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Ian wrote:

Been meaning to post this, I put together a quick prototype website over the weekend. Something like this could serve as a central index so if, as you correctly say above, accounts are blocked due to excessive traffic, it's just a case of changing some of the links on the site. We could also minimise this risk by uploading to a few different locations and prviding alt links. 


 This looks really good, its a start



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Thanks, the links to those 3 shows on there work so feel free to help yourself. If it were a Wordpress site like I have done, then I could give other people access to post on there. That way we could split the load and other people could update the download links if necessary and I'm not available.

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Looks great Ian!

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Heh, my recording of Barbican '97 there. Too bad I accidentally set the dictaphone to SP instead of LP else we'd have the full set!

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I'd hope that Stephen would be able to share his archive in a lossless format. That really would be doing a great service to the community.

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saw119 wrote:

I'd hope that Stephen would be able to share his archive in a lossless format. That really would be doing a great service to the community.


 I can see your point but two things to consider. That increases the amount of storage space required by roughly three times and increases the time it takes to upload. Also (and I've been on the receiving end of this) if you're hoping the uploads are going to basically be something for the fans on here then lossless has a habit of ending up on dimeadozen or traders den etc torrent sites where it gets downloaded by anyone and everyone, reupped to the likes of guitars101 and blogs where people use file hosts which generate cashback for them so the hard work of one individual intended for fans could end up lining the pockets of someone who wouldn't know pulp if they knocked on the dooor with a big sign saying "we are pulp". All things to consider.



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Heh, my recording of Barbican '97 there. Too bad I accidentally set the dictaphone to SP instead of LP else we'd have the full set!


Yes... I just picked 3 at random from different years to illustrate how it could potentially work and I agree the full set would have been great to hear particularly the full version of "This is Hardcore" which (correct me if I'm wrong) has never been performed with a full orchestra since



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Have a look at this:
blurarchiveproject.blogspot.com/

How great would it be if we could put together the same for Pulp?

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This is great! That Blur website is awesome. I love how you can just stream everything on your phone after downloading an app. I see on Ian's website, if you have dropbox installed you can download direct to their to easily transfer between devices.

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A simple but practical 'mega' folder of the smiths

mega.nz/

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By the looks of it that must take up +10GB of storage. Wouldn't you need a subscription or a premium service of some sort to upload that much content?

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On mega? You get 50gb free. I've got 50gb up on it myself for another band.

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Did this ever go any further?

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https://feelingcalledlive.co.uk/  it's really good this. I've been using mega or dropbox to have a wee listen in the car.



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Yes, Ian has taken on the mantle, I'm not sure if there's much missing that only Stephen has.
One question regarding the Feeling Called Live portal - with the radio sessions, the interviews/between song chatter with the hosts seems to have been omitted. Any chance they could be included?

I think Mark and Lard had the best knack for eliciting entertaining conversation with Jarvis (even the rest of the band are heard in the background occasionally). Probably a similar Northern sense of humour, but the chats bear repeating. Some really funny moments.If these Hit The North/Mark Radcliffe show sessions ever get a proper full BBC release some day, I think they would be better served by including the talking between the performances. If nothing else, it shows Marc Riley's impressive future predictions - in February 1993 he both advises on a re-release for Babies and tells Jarvis that he'll have his own radio show one day!



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I will have a look. The site is going to be a work in progress for a few months then I intend to compare different recordings with a view to getting everything possible uploaded

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Thanks that's fantastic I know how much work will have gone into it as I've done the same for about six bands.

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By the way if you run out of space on mega I can recommend something called icedrive.net They were giving away 20gb free but i think they reduced it now to 15gb but it's easy and fast no ads or pop ups.

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Thank you so much for the hard work, Ian!

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Ian have you had to pull the site?

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No, it's still there

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Think virgin have blocked the site

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I cannot access it on my bt internet

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Me neither, shower of bustards.

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I logged on and ran an update earlier, not sure if that will make a difference. It still works for me...

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It only seems to work without the www in front. I'll look into that

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It's back (in full effect)!

Will we need to go DarkWeb on this at some stage to keep the powers that be at bay?

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I'm not sure to be honest. It's only a website that contains details of live shows and rarities...



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Eamonn wrote:

It's back (in full effect)!

Will we need to go DarkWeb on this at some stage to keep the powers that be at bay?


Have the band collectively or individually expressed any opinions on bootlegs? The best thing to do to keep the site safe is to make sure there are no copies of official releases on there. That more or less means the record company are out of the equation. Ian feel free to pm me if you want a chat I've been doing stuff like this a very long time. 



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That website is absolutely stunning. I've messaged you, chap. I'm definitely up for getting my various tapes out into the world through it.



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Eamonn wrote:

Yes, Ian has taken on the mantle, I'm not sure if there's much missing that only Stephen has.

> For people who already have the Portfolios, there'll be a little bit more than what they already have. I'm not being specific because I can't be. Its been some time since I've been through everything!


One question regarding the Feeling Called Live portal - with the radio sessions, the interviews/between song chatter with the hosts seems to have been omitted. Any chance they could be included?

I think Mark and Lard had the best knack for eliciting entertaining conversation with Jarvis (even the rest of the band are heard in the background occasionally). Probably a similar Northern sense of humour, but the chats bear repeating. Some really funny moments.If these Hit The North/Mark Radcliffe show sessions ever get a proper full BBC release some day, I think they would be better served by including the talking between the performances. If nothing else, it shows Marc Riley's impressive future predictions - in February 1993 he both advises on a re-release for Babies and tells Jarvis that he'll have his own radio show one day!


 



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It's back (in full effect)!

Will we need to go DarkWeb on this at some stage to keep the powers that be at bay?


Have the band collectively or individually expressed any opinions on bootlegs? The best thing to do to keep the site safe is to make sure there are no copies of official releases on there. That more or less means the record company are out of the equation. Ian feel free to pm me if you want a chat I've been doing stuff like this a very long time. 


I don't think they ever have. There are a couple of songs on there that were officially released (such as "Everybody's Problem" and "Silence") but have never been reissued in any quantity so I still class them as rare. There are also some songs on there that were only released on compilations and some of Jarvis' collaborations were released. I'd say these make up less than 1% of the content. 

The site is only advertised as a source of information on live shows, not a collection of downloads and that's how it appears in searches so hopefully that will keep any objectors at bay. 

Finally, if anyone is interested, Pulp's 1987 appearance at the Barracuda club is the most popular page on there followed by the Razzmatazz Barcelona in 2002. There have been 6,433 visitors since the site launched (though I'm guessing the majority of these are bots).



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Just listening to the Pulp Fiction Romance - Aston Villa Lesuire Centre boot from the site.

I remember very well buying a CD of that bootleg at a record fair in Newcastle (t'was at the now demolished Mayfair in the mid 1990s)

The CD I bought was of an audio recording where the audio sample rate was slower and the whole thing was pitch shifted down a notch .

The songs sounded kinda ok - but when Jarv talked you could really tell... I listened to it a lot regardless (as I only exclusively listened to Pulp in those days!) I eventually swapped the CD to her another Pulp boot at another record fair...

Anyway - I was wondering what was the source for the bootleg on the site? Did someone speed the rate back up or was there a better CD out there?

At the time I'd have been 13 or 14 and buying a CD or record was a big deal as it was like 2 or 3 week's pocket money! It's so awesome to hear it again at it's proper speed! Takes me right back!

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Those gigs (Aston Villa and Ally Pally) were 25 years ago this week!


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There are two different bootlegs, "Fiction Romance" and "England 1994" which is the former with some bonus tracks tacked on.

I think the audio was actually slowed down for "England 1994" because the bonus tracks are slower too and this CD appeared later.

I bought "England 1994" from a record fair around 20 years ago but not sure where I got "Fiction Romance" from originally, possibly copied from Mike Siou.

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Just thinking that there may be some Pulp live recordings on YouTube not covered by the archive. One that I know of is the 1993 Phoenix Festival, notable as it features Lipgloss and Have You Seen Her Lately which were both recorded in the studio that month.

[video=https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5eeEaDK1sgU]


Also, the Jarvis and Hawley collaboration Happy New Year from the pre-WLL era is on the BBC Sounds website having been played by Jarvis on one of his later radio shows (the only instance of the ever-modest Mr Cocker playing one of his own songs on the airwaves?); might be good to preserve that in case it disaapears:

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Edit I'm a fool I didn't see how old this thread is and saw Stephens newer thread announcing the archive going up.



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So instead I'll say thank you very much to Stephen for even sharing this with everybody, it's very generous.

From what I've seen of various communities in the past when it comes to a collection like this, it's usually a closed shop of a select few sitting on rare material and refusing to share it despite happily bragging about it. I'll concede some collectors have paid good money for it but the ones who come across it free and close the doors behind them are the ones I've come across sadly. 

The kudos of being the one with that rare item can outweigh whether or not the fan base as a whole will enjoy it so it's really great that you've decided to just get this out there! Thanks to Ian too for what must be a pretty big task .



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Towel wrote:

So instead I'll say thank you very much to Stephen for even sharing this with everybody, it's very generous.

From what I've seen of various communities in the past when it comes to a collection like this, it's usually a closed shop of a select few sitting on rare material and refusing to share it despite happily bragging about it. I'll concede some collectors have paid good money for it but the ones who come across it free and close the doors behind them are the ones I've come across sadly. 

The kudos of being the one with that rare item can outweigh whether or not the fan base as a whole will enjoy it so it's really great that you've decided to just get this out there! Thanks to Ian too for what must be a pretty big task .


As one of those who operates a 'closed shop' for several I will happily give you my reasons.

Real fans would always be welcome to download personally I don't care whether they contribute anything back (it's nice if they do) or actually even if they say thanks or not. My problems are those who download to burn cds and sell on ebay, those who download and re-up to filehosts like rapidgator or turbobit which they can make money off (go to guitars101 and it looks like overwhelming generosity until you check out the filehosts used by most) and those who simply copy and paste links to other sites as if they were their own (maccafan076/rael076 who you might see on various internet sites is a prime example). Links that get copied and pasted tend to get hammered and no free provision file host will stand for large percentages of their bandwidth being used by a free user's downloads meaning the links will likely get shut down. I do realise that 99% of fans just want to download and wouldn't do any of that but blame the 1% of those who do. As you say uploading substantial amounts is a big undertaking done out of generosity and generally gratefulness for what you've got but having personally been the victim three times of huge filehost wipeouts (20gb, 50gb, 40gb) because of particularly copying and pasting links the choice at that point is to pack it in or go behind closed doors. I chose the latter.   There is another reason for sitting on (ultra) rare material and that is so you have something to trade should you need it to get something else out of sticky hands. Personally I'm trying to get the last six existing recordings of one band out of those who have them's hands and it's hard work. Waving stuff they don't have in front of their faces is the only way to do it but if you suddenly decide to upload it anyway they have lost their incentive to deal with you.  



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