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Hi, i know this subject has been discussed, many times before..

But I've recently been asked about what i have.

Now i know there are 4 tracks on youtube.. 

These are what i have....

1. The quiet revolution.

2. Cuckoo.

3. Got to have love.

4. After you.

5. My mistake.

6. Yesterday.

7. Sunrise.

8. Wickerman.

Simple question, are there anymore circulating?

 



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Grandfather's Nursery is the only other song from the WLL sessions you could add to that list.
Possibly the My Body May Die (I really love that song) sessions and mixes from the Dat tape would fit the bill as well.

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Yep, i considered adding Grandfathers nursery, but it was kind of released wasn't it?
Via an amazon download, my body may die, ah yes, i forgot about those versions.
I don't usually group it in with the WLL stuff tho, perhaps i should.. It's certainly a similar timeline.

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I tend to lump everything from around that time together to try and get an overall picture, it was obviously a very difficult time for the band. Grandfather may have had something like an official release but it's not easy to find. I would love to be able to upgrade some of the material from this period. I think it's absolutely fascinating and a deluxe WLL is really necessary. Will I ever hear Medieval Owl (ha)??!!

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I almost added forever in my dreams..
I honestly thought that was a demo until i did a bit of homework and discovered it was a bside.

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What's this about the DAT tape mixes? Not heard of this before...

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A few years ago a couple of dat tapes appeared for sale on ebay.
A lovely man bought them and shared them.
Early demo/mixes of Barry Crusoe and a thousand mixes of a little soul.
There was also an early dat of the Hardcore lp.
Someone else got that though and it hasn't been circulated unfortuately.

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It was Will that shared Barry Crusoe and Soul I'm sure. The Barry Crusoe tape was excellent but the Little Soul one less so in my opinion.

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Yes, it was Will.
Just had a listen to the Barry mixes, they're nice.
4 mixes in total, first 2 are instrumentals, mix 3 has a mumbling guide vocal and mix 4 is nearer to the version we know.
A little soul mixes are a bit dull, the song as we know it but the inclusion of extra strings up or down and instrumental cuts.

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8. Wickerman.

 

 

Still a bit new to this. What do I have to do to wring this out of you?  I have nothing to trade, but this song means a shitload to me. I'd love to hear a more stripped down version of it, which I imagine this is?



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Unfortunately not. Very similar to the final version but not as impressive. And swap "cities" to "Leeds".

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If you fancy digging even deeper in this period then you'll probably have to include live shows. In this respect I'm definitely thinking about the A Touch of Glass show at the 2000 Meltdown and the Quiet Revolution show from 1999. Both of these are fascinating glimpses at the creative processes of Jarvis and, by extension, Pulp as bits an pieces get changed, reused and repurposed in the TIH and WLL gap cf. Otley into The Trees. Lost pieces and songs like Roald Dahl, Cockroach Conversation, My Chopper and Fire Island. I think it's an absolutely fascinating and brilliantly, quietly creative period and I really wish I could hear it all.

Oh and, lest we forget, Duck Diving from the 2001 Peel session

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A couple of the WLL promo CD-Rs have early mixes of 5 songs, incl. Minnie Timperley, Bad Cover Version and Trees. Mostly they just lack the polished EQ from their final mastering, but Sunrise is a significant remix (one promo called it the Remake Version) and Weeds doesn't cross-fade into Weeds II, so ends properly.

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Saw 119, yes, certainly worth digging out those live tapes.
It's a period of Pulp history that I'm not overly familiar with and morever, at the time had no interest in.
But, some years on now and I've started to appreciate this era of material with more love.
But i do think that our Jarv had fallen out a bit with singing.
I think he would have preferred a bunch of nice soundtracks and done his storytelling over the top.


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saw119 wrote:

If you fancy digging even deeper in this period then you'll probably have to include live shows. In this respect I'm definitely thinking about the A Touch of Glass show at the 2000 Meltdown and the Quiet Revolution show from 1999. Both of these are fascinating glimpses at the creative processes of Jarvis and, by extension, Pulp as bits an pieces get changed, reused and repurposed in the TIH and WLL gap cf. Otley into The Trees. Lost pieces and songs like Roald Dahl, Cockroach Conversation, My Chopper and Fire Island. I think it's an absolutely fascinating and brilliantly, quietly creative period and I really wish I could hear it all.

Oh and, lest we forget, Duck Diving from the 2001 Peel session

Did "Cockroach Conversation ever surface? I always thought that was another attempt at writing a song using the "Otley" sample.



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We Love Life demos. Personally - the darkest period of my life, for a number of reasons which have been addressed on here in the past. Plenty of mistakes made by me - of which I was and still am remorseful, however at least these got out there. What does sadden me still is the way a few of us, myself included treated "Trixie" when she was going on about "THAT" CDR - which was where My Mistake appeared from.

Cockroach Conversation as far as im aware hasnt been performed.

I was never aware of different mastering on the promos for WLL regarding Bad Cover Version, Trees, Minnie etc. Whats more standing out in these? Hearing the fade out from Weeds rather than blending into Origin Of The Species goes to show that the song was a rather abrupt end and the blend into Origin actually made the song complete. A few songs that id loved to have heard of all the demos.......

Roald Dahl - As far as instrumentals go, this is by far a stand out.
Candy's Sceptre - Even though this turned into Bad Cover Version, it would be amazing to hear this without the harmonies and the Scott Walker production.
Darren - Did this get played at your booklaunch Sturdy? I cant remember anything on this at all.

The recent DAT tapes that have appeared lately is pretty sickening. For many many years I have always been wanting to know what the mix by Ian Broudie sounded like for Lipgloss - and the time I dont look on ebay, someone was selling Cenzo Townshend's personal copy of the DAT! (It was found in a studio in Liverpool, and the person who found it sold it - allegedly)

Barry Crusoe/A Little Soul DATs - these get regular play by me. I adore Barry Crusoe, which is odd as when Randall And Hopkirk was remade, and having it used as the theme - it just did nothing for me. The Swingle Sisters at the time spoilt the song, however tastes differ over time, and my favourite songs have changed dramatically - namely since hearing things performed live that I hadnt before ( I Spy, Born To Cry, Little Girl With Blue Eyes).



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No, I've never heard Darren - or anything else not listed above, come to that. Do like the Touch of Glass show though - would be great if we had a recording of Meltdown 99.

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Oh how I wish they'd done a deluxe WLL.

 

This thread has led me to wonder why those '99 songs were abandoned after only 3 live outings. Cuckoo and Quiet Revolution are really good songs. 



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A touch of glass..
A minimal amount of gigs.
Largely, a bunch of cobblers.
But, 'fire island' ???
Like it..
Stylophone and everything.

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The cover of "On Your Own Again" is pretty poor, I must admit

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Perhaps i was a little harsh in my review there of the meltdown performance by a touch of glass.
Isn't Roald Dahl just a bare bones instrumental of 'I spy'?
My body may die is quite nice, but fire island has real potential, another wasted gem


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I agree that "Fire Island" is great and there is every possibility that part of it was reused in one of the WLL-era demos that we have never heard. Hopefully one day we will find out.

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I seem to recall vaguely something about a band member being asked about a possible WWL deluxe version and that they'd muted it but Island had no appetite for it.

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*mooted
I think Sturdy asked Webber about that as the reunion took off.

I'd expect we will get the unreleased songs at some stage considering that the music industry has been increasingly reliant on back-catalogue reissues with souped-up packaging and content as well as the resurgence in vinyl over the past decade. There's too much money to be made from a captive market of middle aged music fans, usually male, who aren't into cars.

If Pulp's music wasn't "owned" by such a huge music label who have bigger artists' rights to exploit I'm sure we would have seen a We Love Life deluxe by now so we'll just have to be patient.

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Eamonn wrote:
There's too much money to be made from a captive market of middle aged music fans, usually male, who aren't into cars.

 

 Hey, I'm middle aged and have never learned to drive! Are you saying I'm an 'on trend' demographic?



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You will get your own bespoke WLL sooper-dooper deluxe although they will omit the 'Pulp' car-sticker in WLL font.

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I love this music so much, and it was such a thrill discovering it (well, being gifted it by fantastic users here) towards the end of the Great Hiatus when any hope of hearing any Pulp was remote. I'd like to hear polished versions. Not sure I've ever heard Fire Island... was it part of the Glasgow or Vienna concerts? The odds are surely only receding though...

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Superchob..
They played 2 shows under the name "A touch of glass",
The sets were made up of mostly instrumental tracks.
Except for my body may die.
Fire island was one of the tracks, a stylophone filled bit of magic, it's never seen the light of day in any other form other than a live recording from Scott Walkers' meltdown festival.

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The stylophone - with all the instruments that have been used by pulp over the years, this is the one that I absolutely love hearing. I think this is why His n Hers is my favoured album - the use of it live between 1991/1994 was arguably the best sounds they had made. ESPECIALLY when you watch No Stilettos and hear the raw power of it during Pink Glove and Shes a Lady. Simply pure magic if you ask me.

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Just wondering how it is that The Quiet Revolution, Cuckoo Song and Got To Have Love came to be leaked? I can't find anything about how that happened. They're not from the (brief) Trixie haul of My Mistake and After You...

Also, Jason, worth noting there's a remake of Sunrise available. Or sort of available. Scott Frazer made it available about ten years ago.

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Just wondering how it is that The Quiet Revolution, Cuckoo Song and Got To Have Love came to be leaked? I can't find anything about how that happened. They're not from the (brief) Trixie haul of My Mistake and After You...

Also, Jason, worth noting there's a remake of Sunrise available. Or sort of available. Scott Frazer made it available about ten years ago.

 It was an average, unspectacular user on here years ago who one day asked if anyone else wanted the WLL demos he had got in, I think, an old trade. The date on my mp3 tags says 2011 if that's any help. How they ever got out or who first shared them I have no idea. I haven't come across them outside of this board. It's a real shame that they're pretty poor quality mp3's but I'd still rather have them as mp3 than not at all.



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Thanks, Saw. Appreciated!

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Stephen wrote:

Just wondering how it is that The Quiet Revolution, Cuckoo Song and Got To Have Love came to be leaked? I can't find anything about how that happened. They're not from the (brief) Trixie haul of My Mistake and After You...

Also, Jason, worth noting there's a remake of Sunrise available. Or sort of available. Scott Frazer made it available about ten years ago.

 It was an average, unspectacular user on here years ago who one day asked if anyone else wanted the WLL demos he had got in, I think, an old trade. The date on my mp3 tags says 2011 if that's any help. How they ever got out or who first shared them I have no idea. I haven't come across them outside of this board. It's a real shame that they're pretty poor quality mp3's but I'd still rather have them as mp3 than not at all.

I quite like the space they leave for the imagination to fill-in the gaps. You kind of get a sense of loss/nostalgia for a time that never actually existed. I mean, finished versions can never be promising, can they? And promise is short if you're mourning a band who've packed it all in...



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Sorry to bump an old thread but I had to log on just to say Grandfather's Nursery is absolutely brilliant. How have I never heard it before today??? I also never heard My Mistake. Brilliant too. I can't figure out how I missed these two. I've been playing them over and over on YouTube. I think part of what I love is you can hear Jarvis' vocals so clearly. Wish they'd done a WLL deluxe. This band has a habit of making some of their best stuff demos or b sides ;)

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What about Cuckoo and The Quiet Revolution, Jean?

(Jarvis also did a solo Lockdown version of Cuckoo that you can find on here/Spotify)

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Thanks, Eamonn. I have definitely got TQR and am not crazy about that one. Maybe I just need to give it more time. I know i have GTHL as well. I've just been listening to Cuckoo (which I thought I had) on YouTube and it's brilliant. I have 2 CDs of stuff I got from here and I must check later if these are on it. I'm getting worried about my memory now! Is it a case that I have these 3 songs and didn't like them at the time! They're 3 brilliant songs.

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What's the story with the 'accounts', folks? It keeps wanting to send a verification code to someone. If they're not functional anymore that's fine, was just going to have a look. Can't figure out how I don't have these songs. I can listen on YouTube anyway but I always feel safer with a CD. Got one of those bluetooth speakers at long last and the songs sound great through it. I have TQR but not the other 3 and they're absolutely brilliant songs. I have to say, Eamonn, I prefer the original Cuckoo rather than the lockdown version. I looked that up as well.

Any chance this tour might give them renewed enthusiasm to revisit any of these songs like they did with After You? Here's hoping.

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Pretty simple, with WLL they release the "wrong" album. They had all these amazing songs on demos and ended up doing another kind of album. Oh well, its Pulp...

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WLL is a fine album. I like My Grandfather's Nursery, but not very fond of The Quiet Revolution.

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I remember The Quiet Revolution taking a long time to click with me but I ended-up loving it. Great lyrics and that kind-of rustic vibe they were experimenting with (acoustic guitars, flutes (?)) but still with organs and a strong vocal melody.

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Yeah, I gather that a lot of people like TQR and GTHL and it might just take a bit of repeated listening for them to grow on me. At the moment, I prefer Cuckoo, Grandfather's Nursey and My Mistake. I could imagine GTHL being a radio hit back then. It sounds very of that time. I love WLL as is but in an ideal world I'd swap some of those songs. I remember a friend saying to me before when I made them a CD full of b-sides and demos that some of the songs were better than the songs on the albums and it's true. You're onto a good band when even their castaways are brilliant!

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My main problem with We Love Life is that its supposed to be a pastoral record, yet the sound is very robotic. It doesn't have that breath of fresh air the demos have.

My "perfect" WLL is this:

Got To Have Love
Weeds
The Trees
The Quiet Revolution
Cuckoo Song
After You
Yesterday (this one has grown on me a lot the past few years) 
The Birds in Your Garden
Bad Cover Version
I Love Life
Sunrise



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What about your gandaddys nursery?
Remove I Love Life, I could never get into it. It follows the same quiet/loud style of Sunrise but the quiet part is drab, mediocre lyrics and the loud part is Pulp trying to be a rock band but sounding like a parody.
And I bet Darren, St Jude and Performance Of A Lifetime are all far better. Forever In My Dreams too.


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What about your gandaddys nursery?
Remove I Love Life, I could never get into it. It follows the same quiet/loud style of Sunrise but the quiet part is drab, mediocre lyrics and the loud part is Pulp trying to be a rock band but sounding like a parody.
And I bet Darren, St Jude and Performance Of A Lifetime are all far better. Forever In My Dreams too.

 

I like gandaddys nursery, but for some reason i never thought it fitted with the other demos or even that era. Maybe because it was available back then already along with the album. I dont know, feels very different. Sounds more like a bridge between TIH and WLL and a bit samey with Like a friend or something. 

I love life could have been better but i'd say the ending which is very messy saves it from being a parody as you say. 

 

On a side note, maybe i should have included Born to Cry too. Great song. Forever in My Dreams somewhere too right... so many great songs left out. 

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And I know "My Mistake" is only a simple little song but God, I love it. It could be an interlude at the end of side one or a "hidden track" at the end of an album (remember those? You'd be drifting off to sleep and then suddenly, ten minutes after the last song on the album finishes, suddenly you're woken-up and you can't figure out where the noise is coming from....).

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this is probably a stupid question but which of the WLL era demos are online and accessible on youtube etc as id love to hear some of the gems i havent heard yet. and what about other songs from this period that havent been released? is there a full list somewhere?


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Jean wrote:

What's the story with the 'accounts', folks? It keeps wanting to send a verification code to someone. If they're not functional anymore that's fine, was just going to have a look. 

 They are still there. I have the passwords and the answers to the secret questions, but it wants to send a verification code to ArrGee.



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Sorry to be the umpteenth person to ask this question, but does anyone have a link to the original demo of After You?

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It was originally shared via this forum, though I expect the link is long-gone. Here's everything I managed to collate at the time. Track titles might be wrong, I've just tried to match up the songs with the known recording sessions, but it's just guesswork.



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It was originally shared via this forum, though I expect the link is long-gone. Here's everything I managed to collate at the time. Track titles might be wrong, I've just tried to match up the songs with the known recording sessions, but it's just guesswork.

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I just logged in to say thank you so much, hawalius1, as I really wanted to put these tunes on a CD. I've just seen the other news. Omg!

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