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Thanks for replying, Argee. To clarify, I'd say the window of reinvention was say 1976-1986 for John Lydon and 1980-2003 for Jarvis. A 23-year window of reinvention is already pretty huge.

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This isn't necessarily the end though - I think we just need a new collaborator. It's worked a number of times before, and there's no reason it shouldn't again. Unfortunately it should be clear at this point that this collaborator isn't called Candida, Mark, Nick, Russell or even Steve. But who knows? In the meantime we still have our old CDs.

 

One of the finest examples of switching collaborators to reinvent oneself is Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds. Main collaborator from the 80s, Blixa Bargeld, felt he was about to overstay his welcome in 2003 after his role was increasingly diminished in the years prior to their 2003 album Nocturama. Bargeld left, leaving a gap in which Warren Ellis could step without stepping on the toes of this massive presence in the band that was Bargeld. From that moment on, The Bad Seeds' sound was revamped and sparked a new height in their career.



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Who would make a good collaborator for Jarvis?

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Panther wrote:

Who would make a good collaborator for Jarvis?

Well, what do we think he needs? What are his solo songs missing?



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calumlynn wrote:
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I do remember being deflated by This is Hardcore as an album when it came out. It seemed so MOR, AOR, a series of pastiches from Bowie to Portishead and it generally still seems that way to me.

 MOR is not how I'd describe it! Can't imagine it on smooth FM.  I would agree that it is adult orientated as Jarvis was in his thirties and there are songs like Glory Days (Springsteenesque even down to the title) and Party Hard (Bowiesque) that are pastiches but I found it a refreshing departure from the pop of Different Class.  I think it is Pulp's masterpiece.   

 

Exactly- This Is Hardcore plays on MOR/AOR tropes to basically draw a conceptual triangle between fame, sex and middle age. The concept doesn't quite stretch across the entire album unfortunately, but when it works it's genuinely incredible and underlines the fact that Pulp are probably the best conceptual rock band of all time. Although I definitely don't think it's their masterpiece- Pulp don't have a masterpiece, which is essentially the reason that people like us are sat on internet forums talking about them, in my opinion. Pulp's flaws make the band what they are, and their inability to translate the magic of Pulp into a single, definitive recorded work is what makes them so exciting. Though I wish wish wish they'd put It's A Dirty World and Like A Friend on TIH :(

 I can well imagine A Little Soul, TV Movie and Sylvia being played on such a radio station. I remember certain band members (Mark in particular) quietly expressing discontent with some of the songs that Jarvis insisted on for the album while many of Steve's attempts to modernise and experiment fell foul of repetitive guitar strangling dirge. Maybe it's an apologists angle to say Jarvis was playing on tropes when it's possible his intentions were genuine especially given the relatively 'safe' solo material. Also, hyperbole and Pulp don't seem to go well together, they're not Pink Floyd; but it's all subjective. 



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 I can well imagine A Little Soul, TV Movie and Sylvia being played on such a radio station. 

 Having had to listen to smooth for an hour waiting for a haircut at the weekend, these songs are far too rawk.  Mick Hucknall must get about 90% of his royalties from them. Something Changed might just about make the playlist.  Must remember my headphones next time.



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Who would make a good collaborator for Jarvis?

 Alex Turner or Julian Cope, they could do a Scott Walker pastiche... (tongue firmly in cheek)



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I would like to see him one more time with the weird sisters. That was a good fun.

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Maid Marion - that would be brilliant. An entire concert with Jarvis in the shaggy black coat.

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I loved that coat!!!!!!

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