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In this weeks NME there is a piece on the film and a few bits of info on what Jarv said at SXSW during his talk. 

(I nicked this picture off twitter)



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That's the same one I posted the other day here. 

http://baritalia.activeboard.com/t56562530/sheffield-sex-city-sxsw/

It does suffer from TMI in places, but there are interesting extra snippets about the film. He has said he is "being creative" a few times over that trip, so it wasn't just some random one-off remark. Though with Jarvis that could presumably mean almost anything.

For instance, I saw this today about some arty festival thing he's going to be at, sounds creative, but not in the conventional "new album" sense.

"Pulp lead singer Jarvis Cocker will join another music-themed debate, titled Hybrid Vigor: When Music, Art and Documentary Collide. "

http://variety.com/2014/film/international/sundance-presents-cross-section-of-u-s-indie-fare-music-themed-pix-at-london-festival-1201143858/



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i did think when I was posting that I'd seen something similar but it was sort of early and I'm a bit poorly so I just did it. smile

"Trying to be creative" has been mentioned quite a bit but apart from his "new album" quip on the Service that's the first time I've seen/heard writing new music actually mentioned. So, exciting!

 

 



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i did think when I was posting that I'd seen something similar but it was sort of early and I'm a bit poorly so I just did it. smile

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That wasn't meant to be a pointed remark, I write all kinds of tripe most of the time after not reading things properly as it's usually too early, or I am trying to get kids out of bed, or cook tea ..... I think I was a bit worried people had taken offence at the yucky bit, so I was reassured to see it reappear (Pulp person social angst, anyone?).

Hope you're better soon. BTW I was trying to spot you on my Big Melt DVD.

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"Trying to be creative" has been mentioned quite a bit but apart from his "new album" quip on the Service that's the first time I've seen/heard writing new music actually mentioned. So, exciting! 


But this is a bit better:

"He said he was composing more music but ruled out a reunion of Pulp, the band famous for singles such as Common People and Disco 2000. We have done that, we wont do it again. But hopefully I will find a way of inflicting any new music on an unsuspecting public. "

 http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2014-03-25/6-music-presenter-jarvis-cocker-refuses-to-grieve-for-bbc3



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I find his line about finding out if he has "any creative energy left" really sad. God I hope he does.

 

i totally get the Pulp Person social angst :)

so do you see the crowd on the DVD then? I thought it would just be the film? That's exciting then. I'm right at the front next to Jarvis.






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You get the basic film, as on TV, along with the whole thing again filmed in the Crucible focusing on the musicians and you can't the film itself that well in that version, it's on the screen in the background. It flicks around quite a bit following different people as they do their bits. You can't see the audience particularly well most of the time as the shots are either over their heads or close ups on a musician.

if he has "any creative energy left" - he always downplays everything as far as possible, you know, if you expect nothing you can't be disappointed. When you see all the things he's always involved in, he doesn't seem to be able to stop being creative. I'm just going to put this remark down to the usual total lack of confidence.



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"He said he was composing more music but ruled out a reunion of Pulp"

This is very bad news, not that excited about solo Jarvis.

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'He said he was composing more music but ruled out a reunion of Pulp, the band famous for singles such as Common People and Disco 2000. We have done that, we wont do it again. But hopefully I will find a way of inflicting any new music on an unsuspecting public.'

Yes, Shotoki, I agree. No more Pulp = tragedy.

Not to mention a waste on so many levels. (Shakes head despairingly).

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I think it's EXCELLENT news! (Not the lack of Pulp but I'd love new solo Jarv!)

 

I mean, no more Pulp would be a tragedy, but just the fact that he's decided to do new anything is good.



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Oh, yes, Jarvgirl. It is, indeed, FANTASTIC, that we are getting anything Jarvis-music related at all, I agree. I just don't like the door being closed on Pulp forever. I would prefer Jarv to say "not very likely" or "never say never", rather than "we won't be".

I am, however, v grateful, Jarvis hasn't gone off to become a trout farmer or vineyard owner or something. He is still in the thick of things and is unretire-able, I believe, 'cos he will always be interested in the world around him and everybody wants to work with him and there is no shortage of ideas, I should think, when you are surrounded by active, thinking, doing people. (I didn't express that very well but you get the drift).

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Anyway, he's going to say that there'll never be new Pulp when there's a film coming out saying that Sheff was their last ever uk concert.



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Now you've given me hope...

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Sorry Panther I was typing while you were posting!

aaand again!

Somebody told me they were discussing new Pulp while we were filming. So they either decided against or are keeping quiet.





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We are dead quick off the mark, aren't we?!

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I wonder what Jarvis's songwriting subject matter will be, now he is 50?

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Do you really have to ask that?wink



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Do you think "he ruled out a reunion of Pulp ... We have done that, we wont do it again." ,more specifically applies to going round playing old songs, rather than any possibility of doing anything new. As much as anything though, I worry about Candida's arthritis,  this piece we've had posted before talks about there being a bit in the film about it. I remember it being clearest in a picture or video I saw of her signing some autographs in Chile recently, her wrist looked really awkward. 

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Candida's arthritis was definitely mentioned as a factor during the conversation. Her keyboard can't tilt much further. It must be awful for her.



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Yeah, I guess it's the clearest indication yet that the film is the wrap on Pulp's swan-song. If they didn't carry on during 2013 and this year on the back of the reunion feel-good factor I really can't imagine them reconvening another few years down the line just to see if they can try and write and record new material which seems to be a tortuous prospect at the best of times for most of the members. Throw in Candida's hands being unable to take much strain and it's very much an unlikely prospect. Still gutting though, as I'm sure many of us were hopeful, optimistic even, that they might have been gradually beavering away at their own slow pace.

I know Jarvis probably gets sick of being asked about new material especially if it's Pulp as there's more expectation on that than anything else he happens to be working on, (and aside from Spring '95 when a bottle of brandy helped him finish Different Class, expectation seems to be something he likes to shy away from) but it's hard not to get exasperated at his hand-wringing and self-deprecation about potential new albums from him or Pulp.

After You aside, (and that was an old song spruced-up), I think I'm right in saying he hasn't released any new music of his own/Pulp's since Girls Like It Too on the Further Complications single, which is four and a half years ago. I would venture that this is his longest spell of inactivity since he was 19 (if we're talking strictly albums it's five years from We Love Life to Jarvis but Miner's Strike and Cunts shorten that gap if it's songs only - I guess the Harry Potter stuff could be put in there too)....anyway, the point is, collabs, radio-shows, reunions, literary endeavours and other projects aside, plenty of time has passed for him to just get on with it and put-out a record of some description.

As Panther says, he's surrounded by creativity on a constant basis, besides having it in spades himself so the self-doubting thing is cute and stuff but c'mon...yeah?



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I agree. Well said, Eamonn, you speak for a lot of us. (If I were ever on a jury with you, you'd have my vote for foreman).

Two questions: why are Pulp allowing Status Quo to keep the Longest-Surviving-Band-Ever crown, when Pulp could've nicked it if they'd carried on?! wink  And in the time Eamonn says that Jarv could've put together an album, what has he actually been doing? Swanning down the River Don on a raft? Practising pinball? Stocking up on Nova magazines?

Maybe he's just been living a normal life and having a nice time, which you can't blame him for, really.

 

 



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I agree with you apart from this "well he could have been releasing an album, what has he been doing all this time?" Thing. Probably not wanting to release an album? 



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 And in the time Eamonn says that Jarv could've put together an album, what has he actually been doing? Swanning down the River Don on a raft? Practising pinball? Stocking up on Nova magazines? 


 

...a world tour, a documentary, a weekly radio show, a song for Fantastic Mr Fox, the score for The Big Melt, new Relaxed Muscle music for a dance performance and the Barbican, a book, guest editor of The Observer, DJing, producing...

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I don't think Panther was being serious Fussfree, but it's pretty clear that Jarvis hasn't had a: the time or b: the inclination to record and release an album and I don't think we should be on his back for it.



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Yes, joking!! Thought it was obvious but I suppose it's harder to convey in the written word.

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No, it was obvious :)

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Nowhere near as excited about solo stuff.

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Am I the only one around here who rather have a solo record than a Pulp record?

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I definitely would love new Pulp but solo Jarvis would be ace news for me.

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After some of those slightly bizarre live choices during the re-union (Back in L.A/Don't you want me anymore? etc..) i was kind of hoping the guys would perhaps re-record some of the back catalogue that they wer'nt happy with first time around? I guess they must have attempted a few dodgy old numbers in rehersals? But that said, Some new stuff would be a bonus under whatever name it appears..Don't want much do i?



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They apparently ran through everything (as in, EVERYTHING) at least once during rehearsals.

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Surely it was worth a go. I mean, "I Want You" and "She's Dead" were nice little surprises in 1998 and who could forget "Blue Girls" in 1999?

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They apparently ran through everything (as in, EVERYTHING) at least once during rehearsals.


 WOW. Wish I'd been a fly on the wall or there was a film of that.  Would give anything to see them do Death Comes to Town...



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I would have loved to hear them play something dark like Master of The Universe, Aborigine or Being Followed Home. That's the biggest tragedy about this news, there is no chance now of hearing Pulp play some of their best songs live. Jarvis says they've "been there, done that", but there was a lot more Pulp could have done without repeating themselves and getting boring.



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Pulp didn't get boring! They came back when everyone was dying to see them again and went when everyone was dying to see them again. I don't see anything boring about that.

I'm grateful they came back at all.



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I would have loved to hear them play something dark like Master of The Universe, Aborigine or Being Followed Home. That's the biggest tragedy about this news, there is no chance now of hearing Pulp play some of their best songs live. Jarvis says they've "been there, done that", but there was a lot more Pulp could have done without repeating themselves and getting boring.



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 Absolutely. There was so much more material that could have seen the light of day and it would have been amazing to see the old stuff that they used to be embarrassed about but which now, I hope, they realise was brilliant all along.



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(Apart from Silence, as Jarvgirl says! )

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Pulp didn't get boring! They came back when everyone was dying to see them again and went when everyone was dying to see them again. I don't see anything boring about that.

I'm grateful they came back at all.



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 I wasn't saying they got boring, but that would have been a fear they would have had if they carried on for too long with no new material.



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I'd even love to hear them play Silence, it's very atmospheric

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I think at Sheffield they played a good mix, personally I'd have loved them to play My Legendary Girlfriend.



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I always held out hope that something would happen, given Jarvis previously said something along the line of "Will you see pulp again? Who knows?", and admitting in another interview that he had things written in his little idea book with pulp in mind. I think the music world could use a bit of new pulp nowadays, especially after the reception to 'After You'. To end it all with a Jonathan Ross tv performance is a bit odd, but I guess whatever happens happens. AY was just a huge tease as to what have could have been. New Jarvis material sounds nice but nothing on the scale of new Pulp, and to hear such a definitive statement that there will be no more Pulp is very disheartening. There had been so many rumours around last year that the band were secretly recording too, but that's all they stayed - rumours. I'll just hold out hope they one day change their mind. Or just get on with it and get a deluxe WLL released ;)

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Yes, 'tis such a pity if it really is the end.

If only, as a finale, there had a been a Pulp weekend-long concert, where they played every song they've ever written in date order from Shakespeare Rock through to After You that would have been amazing.





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A possibility: Candida and Mark (and of course Russell) not really up for continuing, so we get a new group with Jarvis, Steve, Nick and other new members. They probably wouldn't call it Pulp, though, and they would make a point of only playing new material.

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Any news on when it is (and how to get tickets)?


 I know they were discussing when to have it a couple of weeks ago, they've always said June but no idea if they've decided when yet. I don't know whether you can buy tickets or what although if you're invited you might get two invites each. *cough*



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I think the moment for new Pulp material has probably past. I really want some new songs from Jarvis- the frustrating thing is, he could be a really excellent solo artist, but it never really feels like he's tried. The first album had some great songs, but it was really uneven and too long, and the whole 'recorded in two weeks' thing made it feel a bit... unconfident. The second album had about four EXCELLENT songs with brilliant lyrics especially, but the rest was throwaway, and the blues rock thing he was trying to do was just crap.

Jarvis needs to get over the fact that he's not Nick Cave and never will be, and just draw on all his artistic endeavours to create a truly interesting album. Ever since We Love Life, he seems to be really obsessed with being visceral and sounding 'authentic' in a blues or country sense, but his most interesting music was the much more conceptual stuff that he did with mid-period Pulp. He seemed to really re-embrace the concepts and aesthetic surrounding Pulp when they reunited, so I'm hoping that his future music will be a turning point, with writing which is a bit more thought-through than his previous solo efforts.

Also, wasn't there an article a couple of years ago in which the writer said they'd played kazoo on one of Jarvis' new songs? What was that, does anyone know?

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If I can't go to that premier I'll be both heartbroken and devoid of all desire to wear anything that isn't sweatpants again.


 No. Anything but sweatpants. Anything.



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Jazza wrote:

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So what is this about? Seems extremely random.

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Which means -I assume - that you'll be able to buy tickets...

so hopefully no broken heart and sweatpants for VT. 



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Fran wrote:
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Any news on when it is (and how to get tickets)?


So what is this about? Seems extremely random.

 https://twitter.com/filmuforia/status/451702316463575041


 I think Filmuforia is like a film review type site. 



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Jarvgirl wrote:
Fran wrote:
Jazza wrote:

Any news on when it is (and how to get tickets)?


So what is this about? Seems extremely random.

 https://twitter.com/filmuforia/status/451702316463575041


 I think Filmuforia is like a film review type site. 


 Made it sound like they were showing it tonight.



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I know! Who do they think they are?! smile



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"the music of Jarvis Cocker and Nick Banks" - that's a bit of a weird way of describing Pulp

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Yeah, I thought that was weird too, but I was distracted by the greater apparent weirdness.



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