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Jarvgirl


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I asked him why they pretended to be a news/interest site when they don't know anything about the things they "review"

and told him/them that he should probably have his facts checked if he didn't want people digging around in his company, and posted a link to his marketing website.

 

Like I said. Oops.

 

im sorry, but you don't call The Jam and Weller britpop and miss out 12 Pulp singles without a backlash! :)

he sort of said "1: fuck yourself 2: I said I might be wrong, and those pulp single didnt even chart and 3": blah blah blah mumble run away block.



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hm that's unfortunate. there are a variety of writers for britpop news though. my friend kayley is one of them actually but she didn't write any of the pulp stuff as far as I know. I think she does more of the fashion stuff.

anyway kind of an immature reaction for someone to have to criticism

 

I checked who'd written the pulp stuff, it was the person who runs it, Ian's it was him that I was talking to. I also said that it was him I was critiscising. I didn't have a go at any other writers

he's changed the description of the thing now to include a line about the site not being like the guardian which was one of I his little rants yesterday, as if that was what i was saying!

 



-- Edited by Jarvgirl on Thursday 11th of April 2013 09:22:27 AM

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And that news in pictures story is hilarious isn't it. It just goes to show that while the writers have an interest in music and fashion. The boss doesn't seem to. He deleted his tweets to me btw. 

britpopnews:if you just spent 10 seconds you'd see that is a website because there's a design but to be a literal news site like the guardian only shows you don't read.

Anyway, that's the last about it from me.



-- Edited by Jarvgirl on Thursday 11th of April 2013 09:41:30 AM

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hm that's unfortunate. there are a variety of writers for britpop news though. my friend kayley is one of them actually but she didn't write any of the pulp stuff as far as I know. I think she does more of the fashion stuff.

anyway kind of an immature reaction for someone to have to criticism

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Well lets get it back on those rails! These are my choices!

 

Pink Glove. (Why oh why oh why wasn't this released?)

We Can Dance Again. 

Its A Dirty World.

Birds In Your Garden (Weeds on the B side please)


I'm sure you changed you mind on one, quick, now's your chance to redo your list!


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Oh dear, hope I haven't stirred up any trouble here.

Bit conflicted, as obviously people starting up websites to write about stuff I'm interested in = a good thing. Writers need somewhere to write (& an audience to write for) and working for this kind of site (or buzzfeed or whatever) is the easiest way in right now.
Right now though, too much seems to be "gap in the market" -> "content creation" -> ad sales, and this clogs up the internet with dispiritingly hollow articles with nothing much to say - and as they are the ones who are doing all the SEO stuff, genuinely interesting stuff tends to get buried.

Anyway, right or wrong, there's no need for this - http://britpopnews.com/news-in-pictures-overly-dramatic-music-fan-takes-mistakes-too-seriously/





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Pretty bad behaviour on their part. I suppose if those who run it are unwilling to take criticism and improve, you can always visit plenty of the other decent music sites on the web. I hope the more passionate writers from britpopnews find a more decent gig.

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Yep. I've tweeted a little statement about how my disagreement with one man wasn't anything to do with the talent of any off the real writers. Not that many will read it!

 

aaannnnyywaaaay, those pesky songs that weren't released as singles or became hits eh?



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Those were halycon days, weren't they? The forum has already gone a bit off-topic a couple of times.

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Mine has changed a little bit:

Pink Glove.

We Can Dance

Like a Friend

The Night that Minnie...

Honourable mentions (which I realise is cheating) for His n Hers, Mile End, It's a Dirty World, I'm a Man, and Birds in your Garden.
Great, back on track now.



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We Can Dance Again is overrated. There, I said it!

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We Can Dance Again is overrated. There, I said it!

 :O I just felt something pop in my brain!



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Perhaps but it wudda been a sure-fire hit regardless of its merits!

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It would have been a hit no doubt, but I'm so glad they didn't release it. Its just too cheesy and would have attracted more of a pop crowd and alienated the indie crowd.

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I'm changing my 3rd and 4th choices:

Wishful Thinking
Live On
Mile End
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I didn't bother putting Mile End because it was already out on the soundtrack but I see where you're coming from.

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I think the Trainspotting connection could have done it a favour actually, Born Slippy sold well.

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The thing with Mile End is that while it's a very entertaining track there's also something a little annoying about how relentlessly januty it is. If it had been a single we might be sick of it by now. It's also a bit of an all-out challenge to Blur, who'd played a huge homecoming-style gig there the year before, and putting it out as a single is a bit too confrontational.

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I love it for the jauntiness while still having scathing lyrics thing that they do so well. But if it became as tedious as disco2000 after all that air play, I can see what you mean about becoming sick of it. At least Disco2000 has got the awesome intro to fall back on.



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Jarvgirl wrote:
Sturdy wrote:

We Can Dance Again is overrated. There, I said it!

 :O I just felt something pop in my brain!

OK, maybe not overrated exactly... but I think stuff that didn't get released (if it's any good) sometimes gets over-elevated if that makes sense. Because it's 'lost' that seems to almost automatically make it a 'lost classic'. If it had made it on to Different Class and been played to death for the past 18 years, would we still be getting excited about it?



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It's ok, I thought it was funny that we were all like "ooh this is is great!" And then you came along and just went "no it isn't!" :)



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stuff that didn't get released (if it's any good) sometimes gets over-elevated if that makes sense. Because it's 'lost' that seems to almost automatically make it a 'lost classic'.

 This describes the reaction to After You perfectly.



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Sturdy wrote:
Jarvgirl wrote:
Sturdy wrote:

We Can Dance Again is overrated. There, I said it!

 :O I just felt something pop in my brain!

OK, maybe not overrated exactly... but I think stuff that didn't get released (if it's any good) sometimes gets over-elevated if that makes sense. Because it's 'lost' that seems to almost automatically make it a 'lost classic'. If it had made it on to Different Class and been played to death for the past 18 years, would we still be getting excited about it?

 I find it difficult to get excited about at any time.



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Violin Thing wrote:

It just repeats stories and the other day when I asked by what they meant by way of Jarvis writing a new book they blanked me, cretins.

 Could be referring to Jarvis saying he was writing a novel on the SS coachella



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Bringing this thread back again! Because...

...has anyone else noticed a theme with this year's setlists?

(SPOILERS BELOW! SPOILERS FOR THIS YEAR'S LIVE SETLISTS!)

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OK. Still here? Grand.

Anyway, the band has a consistent core of songs that they are playing a lot. There hasn't been much variation. And I think they've chosen - or, I suppose, curate - it with something in mind.

Firstly, we have the hit singles (Common People, Disco 2000, First Time?, Babies, Something Changed, Sorted, Mis-Shapes, Hardcore, Sunrise). And when they've played encores, they've played Razzmatazz and After You, which are also singles.

We then have three album tracks from Different Class, including F.E.E.L.I.N.G. (which has been an incredibly consistent part of Pulp live sets ever since 1995), and I Spy (which is their opener, as it was in 1995/6, and is a huge live favourite). And of course there's Underwear, which was the B-side of Common People*, and since then won a place on the album over Mile End and is now one of the band's most-streamed tracks.

But then... what else? We might think of the other songs as relative 'deep cuts', but:

- Pink Glove was Pulp's original choice of 3rd single from His 'N' Hers. Island disagreed, and decided to re-release Babies as part of The Sisters EP
- Glory Days was originally a candidate for the first single off This Is Hardcore (source: T&B), but the whole debate over what form was better led to Help the Aged being chosen
- Like a Friend was reputedly (I'm going off something from an old Pulp People mag) originally going to be a single in America, and has seen retroactive engagement and acclaim
- Weeds was Pulp's original choice of 2nd single from We Love Life. Island disagreed, and decided to release The Trees instead, on a double A-side with Sunrise

The band themselves always envisioned Pink Glove and Weeds as singles, Glory Days/Cocaine Socialism/Northern Souls was nearly one, and Like a Friend can't have been that far away, either. And they've chosen to play these songs instead of, say, Lipgloss (they can't recreate the sound), Help the Aged (a bit rum), A Little Soul (not a crowdpleaser), and Bad Cover Version (ever-so-slightly dated).

Did they make a conscious decision to bring some old mis-hits out for a moment in the sun? Could this, dare I say, precipitate a 'Mis-Hits' album, where these songs are released alongside some others that didn't make it onto Hits?

Oh, and there was also Dishes, though they dropped that after two gigs. I think Dishes is a lovely tune, and apparently it's one of Jarvis's favourites, and it's also quite gentle - which explains why A) it was a good choice for Bridlington, and B) it hasn't come back since the Warrington show a few days later.

*I've heard that single was envisioned as a double-A at first, but then Common People went all massive - but the source was Eamonn and it was something from a medieval thread I was lurking on.

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