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"Somewhere in a parallel dimension..."

For no apparent reason whatsoever, every member of the Bar Italia forum has been given the power to bend the laws of time and space. Rather than use this newfound gift to change society in any kind of important fashion, it has been unanimously decided that we use our godlike abilities to create other realities where Pulp released certain songs as singles that weren't so in our universe. 

As we're a smart and conscientious bunch, we have charted up a set of rules to prevent both utter chaos and redundant choices:

1. Anything priorly released in the UK as a single is not allowed, it has already had its chance.

2. Each member is allowed a maximum of four choices but must remember that they are all made independently of each other. This means we are banned from using a new set of circumstances created from one of our options to give a later one a commercial boost down the line (I.E. A hit from the This is Hardcore era is not allowed to change the straits that the band were in during their "We Love Life" stage). It's for the best, change too many things and something might get broken and we might all turn into fish people - I'm assuming none of us want that.

3. Be reasonable, I don't want anyone releasing Tunnel and claiming that it goes to number one and sells "Mull of Kintyre" levels.

4. It can be anything you want it to be, just as long as you don't try to compete with me.

Choices (in chronological order)

1. Pink Glove (released after Do You Remember...). Highest possible chart position: 20-15. Likely Position: 42-30

2. Mile End (1996/1997). HPCP: 2. LP: 10-2.

3. Like a Friend (released as first or second This is Hardcore era single). HPCP: 1. LP: 10-3.

4. Birds in Your Garden. HPCP: 12 LP: 25-15.

Umm, that's your lot, I guess. 



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I'll have a go at this, but not going to bother with the chart placings, sorry.

1. Mark Of The Devil in 1986 (a proper recording, as a lead single instead of Dogs Are Everywhere)

2. Rattlesnake on FON in 1988 (a Slavic disco EP with DYWMA / My First Wife (2) / Separations)

~~~~then I'm happy to leave the Intro-HnH-DC era alone~~~~~~

3. Like A Friend (/ The Professional in 1998 (A double A-side instead of A Little Soul - one side for the radio, one for the hardcore fans. LAF is the non-double-tracked version)

4. The Night That Minnie Timperley Died in 2002 (instead of Bad Cover Version. And Sunrise should be the lead single instead of The Trees, am I allowed that? probably not, sorry.)



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Misshaped wrote:

Everytime I think I have their back-catalogue pinned down, I find out that there's a ton more stuff that I've missed (mostly discovered through this forum). I've noticed that Pulp's unreleased stuff is of an unusually high quality compared to many other bands.

 I reckon that's got a lot to do with Jarv's inability to stop writing songs. he writes that many that there's loads to choose from, which is strange I guess when you hear that he has to rush to write the lyrics cos he's so lazy.



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Ha! I've just come back on here mid-YouTube to say that it's the Pitchfork 2008 vids where he talks about his writing. It's a bus not a train that he mentions but still. lovely interview, the interviewer is really laid back and let's Jarvis just chat away which is nice.



i should add that maybe it's the different approach to FC that makes me love it. I think it's much more about him rather than being full of characters like maybe His and Hers.



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TV Movie is an interesting one, always felt a bit underdeveloped to me though quite sweet.
I'm going to use this opportunity to swap Mile End with His n Hers.



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Tv Movie makes me sad, I tend to get half way through it and then skip it due to sadness. Same with A Little Soul, although I do listen all the way through that. 

 

"And I can't think of a way 
to get through this pain: 
To be happy again, to make it all alright 
And I know it must be bad 
'cos sitting here right now 
all I know is I can't even think 
I can't even think of anything clever to say"

 

now, it must be when Jarv and Camille broke up when he wrote this, I reckon. It just makes me so sad!



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1. We Can Dance Again (most likely Pulp hit ever - interim single between Babies and Common People after the band realise how powerful it is - nearly collapsing the balcony at the Drury Lane Christmas show). Jan 1995 HPCP: 1-10 Likely Position: 6-15 First top ten hit defo

2. Cocaine Socialism (anything released between Something Changed and Help The Aged would have been a hit given their stock at the time. What better opportunity to use this to their advantage with a savage lyric and a recycled tune?) May 1997 HPCP: 10-20 LP: 11

3. (Alternative to the above) It's A Dirty World (Help The Aged is ditched and Pulp's comeback is brought forward a couple of months to September. Britain, in the midst of Diana grief, ditches Elton's candles in the wind and agree that it is indeed a deeply unfair, dirty world Sep 1997 HPCP: 3-10 LP: 3-15

4. After You (We Love Life is taking longer than originally thought but this song along with Sunrise is debuted to great acclaim at Leeds/Reading 2000. Much talk over which to put out as a stop-gap. Universal worry that neither have a proper chorus but after much championing from Radio 1 ultimately it's decided that After You should go to the ball. Oct 2000 HPCP: 6-20 LP: 12-15

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*Proceeds to listen to "We Can Dance Again" for the first time.*
Wha...Whuh...Why did this never get past being a demo? Most bands would kill for a chorus as good as that! Trust Pulp to leave it on the cutting room floor and then just stick it on a bonus disc ten years later.


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I do love a bit of We Can Dance Again, I like it when Jarv goes disco.



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Kicking myself that I have only heard it today, can honestly see it becoming a favourite.

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Misshaped wrote:

*Proceeds to listen to "We Can Dance Again" for the first time.*

 

           Blimey, I imagine you've a treasure trove of unreleased stuff to get stuck into.



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That's fine, I only used chart placings as a way of measuring how successful I think the releases would be.

I forgot about "The Night Thar Minnie...", probably better than "The Birds...".

Unfortunately, Sunrise is not acceptable due to being part of a double A-side, B-sides are fine though.



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1. Wishful Thinking (after the Peel session)
2. Live On (instead of Lipgloss)
3. We Can Dance Again (after Common People) - could have got to number 1
4. Sylvia (instead of A Little Soul)

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right, I'm just going to say four songs I think should have been released and leave it at that really. Sorry!

 

Pink Glove. (Why oh why oh why wasn't this released?)

We Can Dance Again. 

Its A Dirty World.

Weeds (Bob Lind on the B side please)



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Everytime I think I have their back-catalogue pinned down, I find out that there's a ton more stuff that I've missed (mostly discovered through this forum). I've noticed that Pulp's unreleased stuff is of an unusually high quality compared to many other bands.



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Is he still writing? It's been too long since "Further Complications" (which is a perfectly fine album but IMO lacked the "wow" factor that his Pulp and "Jarvis" material had).



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He has said that he can just be on a train or something and a song will just pop into his head ill see if I can find where he said that and what else he said.

it is too long since Further Complications, which I love in a completely separate way to all the Pulp stuff. I hope he decides to do some more.



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I read somewhere (possibly Pitchfork?) that Jarvis' approach to Further Complications was a bit different than usual, he wrote all of the songs and lyrics really quickly rather than letting it all come to him naturally. Which possibly explains why FC is such an immediate record but one that doesn't leave the listener (or maybe just me) with much of an impression afterwards.



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It certainly has its place, it provides a good counterpoint to the rather dark and more musically accomplished "Jarvis". "Hold Still", "I Never Said...", and "Discosong" feel a lot more personal than some of his earlier stuff.

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* Ansaphone
* TV Movie
* Joyriders
* Cocaine socialism

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Live on (Lead single on Sister's EP, no more Babies allowed)
We Can Dance Again (After Common People)
Cocaine Socialism (Before Help the Aged)
It's a Dirty World (After Help The Aged

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Good choices but I think We Can Dance Again had to come before Common People. Anytime after and while a guaranteed hit - especially in the wake of Common People's success, it would have come across as a bit of a pastiche...the reason it was dropped in the first place.

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I was thinking Pulp could have created Record Store Day and could have released it as a special single...I got a bit too involved in my thinking. But yeah you're right.

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Jarvgirl I think Camille and Jarvis met when she was doing the styling for TIH, they were together for a while then she binned him off, then they got back together again and married. then she binned him off again! she is an idiot. His new lady is much nicer. Camille always looked like she had poo smeared under her nose



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Ah I thought at they were together before TIH, fair do's. Bless him though it does make me sad! What a silly woman though! Do we know why she got rid this last time? He is much better off with this Kim I reckon :)



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