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Hello!

As a new member of this illustrious forum, here's my contribution: A first list of songs where I find a clear influence of the best band in Sheffield (and the world). I mean, a STRONG influence. Someone else is encouraged to add any?:

Hanging Out With Her - Baxendale

Contact Lenses - Baxendale

Neato - Baxendale (Pulp goes to the disco)

The Nineteen Sixties - Baxendale

No Regard - The Fresh & Onlys (doesnīt look something from the "It" era?)

King's Cross - Cinerama

I Didnīt Buy You Flowers - Spearmint (I find a heavy "Something Changed" influence here)

 

I'll add more later, if anyone finds this interesting...

 

 

UPDATE: I COULDN'T FIND ALL THE SONGS ON THIS LIST, BUT I'VE CREATED A SPOTIFY PLAYLIST FOR THOSE ONES WHO HAVE A VERY PULPISH DAY https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7AKosO9ksUFN1oRuqF2T24?si=8b07eb11327a4dc3

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I was going to mention The Look by Metronomy as it's been winding up for the past couple of years but I have recently learned (with the last 30 seconds) that it's an actual fact a sample!

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I love Spearmint but I don't believe they're influenced by Pulp as such. More a case of having a lot of common roots I think.

Baxendale! Now that's a name I've not heard in a while.

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Baxendale! Now that's a name I've not heard in a while.

 

Tim Benton recently made a quiet return to song-writing as a new one-man act called Parenthesis.

 

I posted this video of his first single "16 Weeks at Number 1", a few weeks ago on this site to deafening silence. Would love to hear opinions on it, as I think it's fab.

 

 

And even better is Synthesized Swimming, which appeared on the WIAIWYA Olympics Comp. Which is totally Pulp-ish.

 

 

 



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Sounds much more like something Lawrence would do than Pulp, much more Denim/Go Kart Mozart. I love Lawrence and the song I've linked is definitely his 'I Spy'.

 



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@weed: Didnīt know fabulous "The Look" by Metronomy had sampled Pulp!!! Which song have they used?


@sturdy: For me, there's no doubt about the way Pulp influenced Shirley Lee's band. Thing's like "We're going Out" even look like lost demos from Different Class era. Not to mention Shirleys' speech at Left Alone Among The Living...soooooooooJarvis!


@Fuss Free: Thank you very much for those links!! Didnīt know Tim Benton was back, I'm glad to see he hasntīlost his pop intuition. Anyway, nothing he has done has (yet) improved the peaks he conquered with "Hangin' Out With Her", or "I Built This City" (You can see the review i did for my blog here:
http://thesongswelove.wordpress.com/2012/10/30/191/
...Maybe with google translator you'll be able to read it)


@Saw119: I LOVE IT!! Definitively agree about the "I Spy" touch..I appreciate your contribution,and yes, that was the point: to discover songs that could belong to best band in the wolrd ever, even if they donīt "sound" exactly like them..itīs not so difficult to imagine "Retro -glancing" at Jarvis' voice. i'll try to do like you in my next contributions to this list, adding a video link so everybody can check the pulp-ish tone...


@Ian: no idea, but will investigate. thanks!



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I bought that "Red Heaven" compilation by Cherry Red years ago to get "Everybody's Problem" on CD. There are a couple of songs on it that sound like Pulp. I can't find the CD for the life of be but I think one was by In Embrace

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We're Going Out - Spearmint



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Monday Morning 5:19 - Rialto



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Manhattan - Cinerama



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No Regard - The Fresh & Onlys

(Sorry, i didnīt find a better video for this..but listen from 3:00..isnīt he Jarvis around "It"???



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The Look sampled a pulp song?!

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I don't think so. I've been searching in the net after weed's comment, and it's obvious that there's a coincidence in notes, but I wouldnīt say Pulp has been sampled in this track...anyway, there are many points of view:

http://www.whosampled.com/sample/view/114014/Metronomy-The%20Look_Pulp-Feeling%20Called%20Love/



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No the keyboard just sounds reminiscent of Feeling Called love to me.

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Misfits by The Kinks sounds like a Pulp song.

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Maybe Pulp more Kinks influenced then.

Anything more, er, high profile? Kapranos' vocal style and some of the quirkier elements of Franz Ferdinand songs and the pop experimentation on MGMT's second album definitely betray signs of having listened to plenty of Pulp imo.

The Girls link...they/he's great and a huge Suede fan so I guess it's possible but don't really hear a link with Pulp in the songs mentioned.

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I Totally agree about Franz Ferdinand!!!

 

 



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I remember Franz Ferdinand's singer doing a twitter Q+A and saying he loves Pulp

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well, they did a very well-known version of "Mis-Shapes"..

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RIALTO - UNTOUCHABLE



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I can't remember where I read about the Metromony sampling FCL thing now but I had a listen to the song earlier & it's clearly not a sample but just the keyboard riff lifted I guess. I bet you wouldn't have to look far to find somebody who did it before Pulp too.

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I remember watching a youtube video where Franz ferdinand talked about visiting jarvis in france. He ended up getting locked out of his flat and had to take the door of it's hinges

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More Spearmint songs at a very strong Pulpish style:



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For me, much of the Long Blondes stuff had a 'Pulp' (guitar/indie) vibe to it... which isn't too surprising given that Mr Mackey produced their first album! 

While the music isn't as electronic led,  the lyrics often feel like one of the female characters from a Jarvis song has getting her say..



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The band, Jackson especially, were huge fans of Pulp. HisnHers in partic if memory serves. Russell also played on an early single (one of their best, Appropriation).
Jarvis wasn't so keen on her voice unfortunately.

They were pretty good I thought, second album very under-rated. Their guitarist and main song writer, Dorian - he also wrote most of the lyrics, suffered a stroke when they were in the middle of promoting the second record and, sadly, they called it a a day.

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thanks, blueowl0708!!
Didnīt know these songs! you made my day! (and yeah, there's a fantastic Pulp vibe in them!)

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Interesting, I didn't know about the Russell connection... I saw them a number of times around Sheffield before they got signed.. I wonder if he was lurking :D

I'm a big fan of both albums, I highly recommend them srhelvetica!

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Well..maybe it's a bit obvious, but I find a strong influence...er..here

BLOC PARTY -PULP SONG

http://grooveshark.com/s/Pulp+Song/1LvEM?src=5

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wow! Didnīt know this, Nisw! Thank you very much, it has a fabulous "Mile End" taste! Any other recommendation from this band?



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Does this remind anyone of Tunnel? Or is it just me?

 

QOTSA - Misfit Love

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Obvioulsy, this couldīt be from Pulp, but I see a strong influence...



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MCR are big Pulp fans, they did a cover of Common People for the Radio 1 live lounge and were playing it live during the 2011 summer festival season, though carefully omitting it when Pulp were at the same festival.



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The Kinks - How Are You?

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Well..Shotoki, that's actually a great song, but i wouldnīt dare to say Pulp influenced The Kinks. Maybe we should consider opening a new thread called "Pulp Under The Influence" about those songs that somehow could inspire Jarvis: this song would fit perfectly!

Thanks to you and everybody contributing to this thread: i've discovered great songs and bands I didnīt know before!

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Sorry I misunderstood the topic! I think 80s Kinks are very underrated and it would be interesting to know if Pulp were aware of them, there is certainly a resemblance.

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Suede were unlikely to imitate Pulp, but their b-side 'Sam' sounds like a pastiche of Jarvis.

also, http://howtoswim.bandcamp.com/track/snowflakes-2



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Suede were unlikely to imitate Pulp, but...
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I've always thought the ending of Suede's This Time was very Pulpy. Fine song!

 

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It's a great song but sounds more like John Lennon circa 1972 to me.

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Eamonn wrote:

It's a great song but sounds more like John Lennon circa 1972 to me.

 Bang on.



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The Smallest Splinter - Hamilton Leithauser


It has a strong Ian McCulloch (an evident Jarvis' influence) touch.



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The Be Be See - You K Gold 

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It seems this band called MT (Many Things) is also under the influence...

 

No need to say.. i love them!!!

 



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The Be Be See - You K Gold 

I always thought this was very Pulp-y.



-- Edited by calumlynn on Friday 13th of June 2014 03:29:46 AM

 Small world, I used to know this guy.



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JACQUELINE - GEOFFREY O'CONNOR 

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SLOW MAGIC -THE CRAYON FIELDS

(A lot of songs from The Crayon Fields make them the most similar thing to aussies Pulp)



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HOW TO RECOGNISE A WORK OF ART - MEILYR JONES

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Listen to chorus. Disco 2000 ?



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Also i'm not sure that Pulp ever listen to Soviet music and it's also only 2 notes, but i hear similarities of Russel's guitar intro in Monday Morning and this one



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Blur by their own admission nicked the intro to Sunday Sunday from Love Is Blind.
That's gotta be a literal direct influence, right?


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Someone on the superdeluxeedition site claimed that Pink Glove was a rip-off of The Boomtown Rats. Not sure if they meant a specific song or the general sound/Sir Bob's delivery. I think ArrGee is a big fan of theirs and probably the only one old enough on here to comment with confidence ;)

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Eamonn wrote:

Someone on the superdeluxeedition site claimed that Pink Glove was a rip-off of The Boomtown Rats. Not sure if they meant a specific song or the general sound/Sir Bob's delivery. I think ArrGee is a big fan of theirs and probably the only one old enough on here to comment with confidence ;)

Ha ha! Well there are a fair few songs that could cross between the two of them.  A Tonic for The Troops and His n Hers arent so different in their overall feel, both are very good pop/rock LPs. I can imagine Geldof & Jarvis interchanging the lead vocals on a few of the tracks.  Cant think of any particular song that is akin to Pink Glove, but Me & Howard Hughes and (I never loved) Eva Braun are maybe the sort of songs that the commentator was thinking of. (BTW It wasnt me).

PS I am younger than Jarvis!

PPS I found the superdeluxeedition comment, I remember seeing Menswe@r support Pulp at Theatre Royal Drury Lane...

 



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I have always thought that the into to this sounds like that obscure "Heavy Metal" song from 1986...

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Spanish band "Ellos" could never hide their strong devotion towards Pulp



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Too similar to "Common People" ... when the influence goes too far ;P



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LOVE IT! Emily Breeze


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^ Didn't notice any particular Pulp influence in that Emily Breeze song (Black Box Recorder maybe?), but I agree it's great. Checked out her album from last year off the back of it too, think she might be a new fave.

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Monday Morning 5:19 - Rialto

 Saw them tonight and there are a few songs that could be Pulp/Jarvis songs.  Very good live band.



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OF COURSE! this song by YARD ACT has a very pulp-ish sound to me



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MANIC'S "The Love Of Richard Nixon"



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UPDATE: I COULDN'T FIND ALL THE SONGS ON THIS LIST, BUT I'VE CREATED A SPOTIFY PLAYLIST FOR THOSE ONES WHO HAVE A VERY PULPISH DAY:

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7AKosO9ksUFN1oRuqF2T24?si=8b07eb11327a4dc3



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Pynch are great ...and seems they also like Pulp! 



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Imagine a crossover between Tom Petty and Jarvis, and you have this song



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Jarvi-esque! Benjamin Biolay has a debt now



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I've been watching a few R.E.M. related videos from them discussing 'Monster' when that was repackaged and most videos Michael Stipe mentions they were looking to Jarvis Cocker and Pulp and suede for the sound of 'Monster'. Thought id share.

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I've been watching a few R.E.M. related videos from them discussing 'Monster' when that was repackaged and most videos Michael Stipe mentions they were looking to Jarvis Cocker and Pulp and suede for the sound of 'Monster'. Thought id share.

Interesting! Have you got any links?

I had a listen to "Monster" just now to see if I could hear any similarities. I still like the album (I understand a lot of people don't) but for the life of me I can't hear anything even remotely Pulpish about it. Still feels like REM's grunge-lite entry, a return to largely guitar-driven rock  after the mellow "Out of Time" and "Automatic for the People". Stretching out and having a bit of fun. The idea of significant influence also seems tenuous because it was recorded at roughly the same time as "His 'n' Hers" so any influence was from material before that or perhaps live shows. Curious to find out what I'm missing here...



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I hadnīt posted this one yet: The Hymn For The Cigarettes (Love the way Hefner sounded like a lo-fi Pulp)



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Hello,

I'm a Pulp fan and have been really into R.E.M. lately.
Whenever Michael Stipe (vocalist) and Mike Mills (bassist) talked about Jarvis Cocker and Pulp, alongside other bands like Blur and Suede, it was in the context of looking towards the music scene in Britain.

R.E.M. hadn't toured since 1989 (the Green world tour) and were keen to hit the road again, deciding to try a sound unlike their past few hit records Out Of Time and Automatic For The People. They were very interested in British pop music around this period - I recall reading an old NME article in which Peter Buck (guitarist) mentioned following Suede's releases quite closely and was disappointed by Bernard Butler leaving the band.
Later, with the Monster re-release in 2019, Stipe and Mills talked about how they loved glam rock but hadn't drawn from that genre yet, which was what they thought the British were doing. It seems like they were inspired by mid-90s UK attitude, humour, and references to glam rock and the 1970s. They were sonically closer to grunge so it's hard to recommend any Pulp-like songs, but people that like Pulp's sexual subject matter will have no problem finding raunchiness on Monster ("I Don't Sleep, I Dream" and "Bang and Blame"). And if people are looking for some cheap cheesy organ sounds, the closest you'll get is "Tongue".
https://youtu.be/Kd5M17e7Wek?si=xiOOi_aAU7j1P1T5

I do think the relationship to Pulp specifically is difficult to place, since Monster was recorded from late-93 (before "Lipgloss") to mid-94 (after His 'N' Hers). Considering how River Phoenix's death stopped Stipe from writing until 1994, maybe he'd heard Pulp by then. Or maybe Stipe and Mills meant that the mid-90s UK scene influenced the Monster tour (1995) more than the album itself.

Stipe named their influences here: https://youtu.be/0NkdMSsYxvk?si=PocjQDSuOOwtlSHl&t=460
and they talked about glam rock, London, Seattle, and finding a new sound: https://youtu.be/YKTVqPPlcvQ?si=VQf5xFbkU9liNt8x&t=2711
and similarly: https://youtu.be/zG8MpHbLIK8?si=aXj6dHa4KV9WjODm&t=256

I swear I've heard Stipe namedrop Jarvis Cocker plenty of times. Another example: in the foreword of A To X of Alternative Music by Steve Taylor he said:
"Alternative, in its true definition, describes all of my favourite music, all the groups or performers I love, writers that I still go to as a music fan to find inspiration and to pull out the more competitive side of me as a songwriter." He then named Jarvis Cocker amongst artists including Bjork, Radiohead, Patti Smith, and PJ Harvey.
Also, Stipe produced Velvet Goldmine which included Pulp's "We Are the Boyz."

I apologise for hijacking the question but it's been a month and I've been thinking about a similar thing since I first heard Monster last year.



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GOMMA - Italian band Baustelle (the influence is TOO obvious, i'm afraid)



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Amanda Lear (no, itīs not an italian cover of Common People) - Baustelle



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 No, but their last single was pretty close to a Common People cover. 


 



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love it! thanks for sharing! :) added to the playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7AKosO9ksUFN1oRuqF2T24?si=8b07eb11327a4dc3



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