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liltman wrote:

Think I'll be avoiding this thread for the next week, it's ruining the anticipation

 I agree - I love Russell (probably my favourite member) but Pulp is Pulp and the concert is sure to be amazing regardless. It's a shame but to debate whether or not to go to their homecoming gig seems to me to be massively over the top. If you make this into a big deal it could ruin the concert but if you just accept the fact that Russell probably won't be there then I'm sure you'll enjoy the gig for what it is.



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I'm thinking Bad Cover Version.

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Oh come on now this is bloody ridiculous! He wasn't even in the band for how many years and he hasn't been with them since September 2011. It's not like Candida or Nick have suddenly quit and they're playing without them!

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This thread is bollocks frankly. This could be the last time we get to see our favourite band, and people are quibbling about Russell not being there. Who is to say that he wont make a guest appearance for certain violin songs?

Ive seen Pulp live 3 times, twice without Russell, one with. You could hardly hear Russell on his violin at Hyde Park, so what the fuck. Lets enjoy it folks. Also Id like to say, that I would sooner see Richard Hawley than some utter shit support band that you get to hear.

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It's Russell I'm cross with if it's his decision and there isn't a medical reason but I really don't want to hear somebody else play his violin parts. I haven't listened to any of the reformed shows they've done without him with the other violinist and I don't have any interest in doing so.

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And it'll be Russell's fault he's not playing, nobody else's! Anyone would think they've forced him out the way some people are carrying on!

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We all know Russell is an awkward bastard at times so it won't spoil it for me if he's not there, sure I would like it but this is going to be my first and probably last Pulp concert besides they are just as good without him.

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It'd be a nice bonus if he was to make an appearance but if he doesn't then that won't impaire my enjoyment whatsoever.

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I am going to enjoy the show with or without Russell. Personally I am more interested in finding out if they are going to put on an extra long show like they did in Mexico.

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Don't be silly, of course he's going to appear! He'll be singing Anorexic Beauty obviously.*

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Oops, hadn't meant to cause any upset! It's just that, for me, when I first saw Pulp live (V96), I was right in front of Russell, and he held my attention more than Jarvis even. I already loved the Countdown album by this point, but when I heard his own bizarre songs on Freaks and fell in love with the weird violin playing and also with Separations and its sqwonky guitars, it really became every bit about Russell for me as it was about the rest of the band. I was hugely disappointed when TIH came out, and my memories of going to Uni that year aren't of the current Pulp stuff, but the gorgeous live '92 and '93 bootlegs I was starting to pick up a collection of. He was pretty much the sole guitarist then and to me he's what's so amazing about those gigs with his unique playing getting right under my skin. By the time We Love Life came out I don't even remember listening to it 'til a few months on. It grew on me (as did Tih) but they were nothing really like the Pulp I loved (likewise seeing them play live around that time) as they were just so slick and passionless when they had once been so odd and driving. It's because Russell was involved I was so excited about the reformation, and Glasto and the two Brixton gigs are three of the most amazing gigs I've ever seen. Rah was good, but it wasn't *my* Pulp. I don't begrudge them the homecoming gig, and I hope fans of the later period stuff have a great time, but it's just not quite the same band for me. If it's the Velvets I want Cale, the Beatles; Harrison, the Bonzo Dog Band; Ruskin Spear, etc. I like the odd, difficult members who leave their mark, so it's always gonna be Russell for me!

 I understand that feeling. As much as i love Oasis with Gem & Andy, it was different for instance.

There's no denying he had a unique style. I only seen him live once, that was in Hyde Park, and frankly he was too old to pull off his old act (or not in character enough). BUT, he's mind blowing on the Brixton 95 concert (on VHS !). As you said his guitar playing is/was unique and he was part of the sound... of that time. Now that he decided to quit, the band carried on without him and was kind enough to get him back for the reunion shows. Coz in 97, it wasn't an easy time to follow up DC without one of your main band member. There was a lot of pressure and i think they surpassed themselves with TIH, which is to me, still their best record and an absolute classic. Russell is past Pulp, sadly for him, sadly for us. But soon Pulp will also be past Pulp as well, so i guess it won't really matter.

There's still so much passion around that band, the vibe at gigs is unbelievable, i still can't get why they don't want to carry on.



-- Edited by andy on Sunday 2nd of December 2012 07:09:04 AM

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Oops, hadn't meant to cause any upset! It's just that, for me, when I first saw Pulp live (V96), I was right in front of Russell, and he held my attention more than Jarvis even. I already loved the Countdown album by this point, but when I heard his own bizarre songs on Freaks and fell in love with the weird violin playing and also with Separations and its sqwonky guitars, it really became every bit about Russell for me as it was about the rest of the band. I was hugely disappointed when TIH came out, and my memories of going to Uni that year aren't of the current Pulp stuff, but the gorgeous live '92 and '93 bootlegs I was starting to pick up a collection of. He was pretty much the sole guitarist then and to me he's what's so amazing about those gigs with his unique playing getting right under my skin. By the time We Love Life came out I don't even remember listening to it 'til a few months on. It grew on me (as did Tih) but they were nothing really like the Pulp I loved (likewise seeing them play live around that time) as they were just so slick and passionless when they had once been so odd and driving. It's because Russell was involved I was so excited about the reformation, and Glasto and the two Brixton gigs are three of the most amazing gigs I've ever seen. Rah was good, but it wasn't *my* Pulp. I don't begrudge them the homecoming gig, and I hope fans of the later period stuff have a great time, but it's just not quite the same band for me. If it's the Velvets I want Cale, the Beatles; Harrison, the Bonzo Dog Band; Ruskin Spear, etc. I like the odd, difficult members who leave their mark, so it's always gonna be Russell for me!

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I got pissed with Ruskin Spear once. What a guy. Slater, Spoons and Andy Roberts too

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It's because I've just become a father and he's just a bit too wee for the trip up North or to abandon his Mum. I'll probably be on here on Saturday, looking for any charitable hints at what songs are being played...



-- Edited by superchob on Sunday 2nd of December 2012 03:19:50 PM

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Liltman, 3 Bonzos and a Piano? How come you ended up going out on the piss with them? Plus, not wanting to dismiss yr story but isn't/wasn't Ruskin Spear tea-total? Btw their new album, against all expectations, is bloody good!

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Andy, I was at Hyde Park but had to move back to a point where I couldn't really see what was going on 'cos the crowd were pretty rough, so can't disagree, but you may well be right. He was certainly spot on at Glasto (1st Uk gig) and Brixton (last Uk gigs) and Leeds (potentially 'hostile crowd' to quote him), so maybe he couldn't be arsed at Wireless? Tut. I take all yr other points, tho. I am glad Pulp carried on without him as there is some good stuff there, but like solo Jarvis, it's close - but not the same - to the band I loved back then.

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Sam Spoons sort of invited me and my friends to the pub after a gig of theirs. It was incredible and they regaled me with lots of stories. Memory is hazy but I'm sure he was drinking too!

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Stephen wrote:

Oops, hadn't meant to cause any upset! It's just that, for me, when I first saw Pulp live (V96), I was right in front of Russell, and he held my attention more than Jarvis even. I already loved the Countdown album by this point, but when I heard his own bizarre songs on Freaks and fell in love with the weird violin playing and also with Separations and its sqwonky guitars, it really became every bit about Russell for me as it was about the rest of the band. I was hugely disappointed when TIH came out, and my memories of going to Uni that year aren't of the current Pulp stuff, but the gorgeous live '92 and '93 bootlegs I was starting to pick up a collection of. He was pretty much the sole guitarist then and to me he's what's so amazing about those gigs with his unique playing getting right under my skin. By the time We Love Life came out I don't even remember listening to it 'til a few months on. It grew on me (as did Tih) but they were nothing really like the Pulp I loved (likewise seeing them play live around that time) as they were just so slick and passionless when they had once been so odd and driving. It's because Russell was involved I was so excited about the reformation, and Glasto and the two Brixton gigs are three of the most amazing gigs I've ever seen. Rah was good, but it wasn't *my* Pulp. I don't begrudge them the homecoming gig, and I hope fans of the later period stuff have a great time, but it's just not quite the same band for me. If it's the Velvets I want Cale, the Beatles; Harrison, the Bonzo Dog Band; Ruskin Spear, etc. I like the odd, difficult members who leave their mark, so it's always gonna be Russell for me!

 Nicely put, my Pulp will always be the early/mid '90s Pulp and without Russell it just isn't the band I want to see. I only saw them once after Russell left (at Magna) because I really lost my interest and passion for them after his departure.



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Im not denying the others involvement and influences. The've had a lot. A LOT. But i wouldn't find it shocking if Jarvis decided to go on with a complete new Pulp. The thing is it's a democratic band, but it's always been... with tons of different members... Pulp isn't one band, it's been 3, 4 or 5 different bands already with one common ground : Jarvis.

my belief is that Pulp could easily go on with Jarvis & Steve (& Richard biggrin)



-- Edited by andy on Sunday 2nd of December 2012 05:21:30 PM

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Liltman, wow. I'm very impressed! Chatted to each of them (inc. Legs Larry) briefly, but not quite on your level!

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All good points but I think If Jarvis felt he could just carry on using the name then he would have done before now. Yes the band changed line-ups a lot but other than Russell that line-up has been the same for many years and to be fair to Jarvis he's been very good at reminding audiences the reunion has been about those people being together on stage, not just him. I don't think he'd taint things by carrying on without the others

-- Edited by liltman on Sunday 2nd of December 2012 06:08:50 PM

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It was a dream come true! They were playing in my hometown, which was a big enough deal for me, but to be drinking with them all was unbelievable! They were all lovely, the only down side was finding out they seemed a bit resentful of Innes these days because of him not wanting to carry on reunion gigs with them, hence the Three Bonzos and a Piano. I think there's even a photo of us all on their website! Met Neil and his wife after a gig too and they were lovely

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All Pulp is good Pulp. :)

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But some Pulp is better than some other Pulp.

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If Jimmy Sellars doesn't get a turn with the sticks for the early-era stuff I'll be pretty annoyed.

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