Mo money mo problems. Or decisions. As Nick said they're getting "paid handsomely" and the more novel/quirky the offer, I suppose they're likely to go for it. But yeah, if Sheff was to be the end it has now lost some sheen.
And I feel bad for Twiggy, rock-cruise veteran, and others in the US/Canada who have already spent a mint on travelling across the Atlantic for the Sheffield show.
I assumed Sheffield was gonna be it, but now I'm not so sure. This will obviously be without Russell, maybe Sheffield will be the last Pulp gig with Russell? And I know this is quite probably for the money, but if they're gonna let Pulp die after the next few months or so, then I suppose I understand them milking it...
I'm gonna say it now.... Glastonbury 2013? Ofcourse if they were to do it they'd need some kind of new material, but still!
They could easily headline Glasto without new material
They COULD, definitely, and I for one would be absolutely ecstatic, but I'm not sure they'd be that much of a draw seeing as lots who wanted to see them will have seen them!
You're right though, if they do carry on they're gonna have to do new material. I did half think that even if Sheffield was the end that they'd be announced for Glasto next year. Nearly put something snide about wondering whether Glasto can still afford them following tonight's revelation though!
I'm maybe being selfish here but for one of the first times ever this band have annoyed me.
The "tissues optional" comment seems a liiiiiitle mean now... but on the bright side, the 'last ever' Pulp gig would surely be made accessible to fans, and therefore it would seem reasonable to expect a string of concerts in the new year. Perhaps.
Maybe the new material everyone gave up hope on last week hasn't quite receded from view?
The varying prices are for different cabins (interior, exterior, etc). If anyone is going, try to get a cabin in the middle, you will feel the movement of the boat less. And obviously an exterior cabin with a balcony is ideal. I think I'm still going to go to Sheffield (only paid for the tickets so far, no flights or accomodations purchased) and skip the cruises. Goddammit.
Well it certainly would explain the 5 month break from gigs if they were perfecting/working on new material!
All the comments from Jarvis/Nick etc. "no new album", maybe it's a single we're looking at? Lots less time needed to make it, they could promote it lots in the next 5 months. I don't know anymore! I was resigned to Sheffield being the finale!
I don't think Pulp could really get the attention for a single in the same way that, say, Blur did. I also don't think they'd want to put all that effort into something that would be in and out of the public eye in a couple of weeks.
Nick did seem very sure - and honest - about there being no new material on its way though...
It does make Sheffield seem slightly less special however last years touring was ended randomly at the Electric Picnic in Ireland. I guess the best thing is that the end still isn't nigh. They surely wouldn't round off on a cruise (playing Boats and Trains?). Glastonbury 2013 would be perfect!
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It's not as bad as you might think, at least in my experience...the annoyance is starting to wear off and I'm wondering now if I can actually swing one of these. Anyone on here considering going? I can't help but wonder if Pulp is as popular a headliner to induce so many people to spend that much money on this cruise. It will be interesting to hear what details emerge in the following days. Curious how many shows they will play during the course of the cruise (I would assume 3), and if they'll let us know what kind of sets to expect.
I want to go, but it's such short notice that I don't know if I'll be able to swing it. I'm sure it will sell out instantly because of the Coachella brand name, even with the astronomical cost.
Gotta say, I am not a huge fan of this development. I don't begrudge the band their chance to make some good money, but this whole rock-fest-on-a-cruise thing is a bad idea. I am far from a punk-rock purist, but this seems a step too far in the opposite direction.
I'll probably be proved wrong but I cannot see this selling out - Cochella seem to have got their audiences very confused.
I am a little disappointed - the idea of them playing Common People to a boat of people who paid more than what I live on in a year is very disheartening.
Lauren, I don't think that's necessarily fair. I've willingly paid the £200 for Glastonbury before now, and this isn't a huge amount more - the £322 amount of whatever it is. Plus, all the food's free I believe, which probably brings it in line with Glastonbury. I don't think I earn a great deal (and I used to earn even less!) but having a festival (whether in a shitty field or on a luxury liner) as your one holiday of the year is probably affordable unless you're earning something really exploitative.
I'm not trying to have a go, it's just that not everyone there is going to horrible, moneyed people...
To people disappointed: Jarvis is in the "system" now and has been for years. He's left wing corporate if that makes sense. It's his business to be the voice of the common people, although he now frequents higher classes, rich people, especially in France.
I was a bit surprised by this as well. But when you see the prices of the cheaper tickets, it's not THAT expensive, it's a cruise after all. So it's a good opportunity for people who will be able to stalk their fav artist for at least 4 days :D
So i don't mind, but i wasn't really thinking Pulp were what they used to be. They're just a music act for me now.
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Apparently there's a $200 booking fee even when you buy the $500 ticket. The Weezer cruise was quite highly rated. It looks like most bands are playing twice and you can see them "at least once" which is a bit vague!
Will I get to see every band? You will certainly have the opportunity to choose to see every artist at least once. Can I see them twice? You will have the opportunity to choose to see each artist at least once. Some artists youll be able to see twice. How / Where do I sign up for my spot to see a band? That information is forthcoming closer to when we announce set times. If two bands are at same time can I see part of one and part of another? In most cases, yes. We cant guarantee this however, due to capacities in each of the venues and demand during the show. How many shows will each artist be playing? All artists will play at least once, and most artists will play twice. When is the music? Night or day? Both Music will be going from early afternoon deep into the night. When will the schedule be out? In the coming months.
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@pulp2011: "Pulp set sail on the SS Coachella. Four shows on the high seas. December 2012. http://ss.coachella.com" Does that mean 4 shows per cruise, or 2 shows per cruise (4 shows total)??
The Rapture are a New York guitar band but they're just coming on board to do a DJ set?
Killer Mike, very much a rap also ran. He's had some chart success but as (I think) the only rapper there he hasn't got the dedicated fans who'll book a cruise so they can see him. He did A.D.I.D.A.S. and The Whole World with Outkast a few years back.
It just seems like an odd collection of artists. Good but odd.
Last time I was on a boat I was violently sick, passed out and spent the rest of the day shaking in the back of a van. And this was just a day trip to France. Which has nothing to do with me disliking the cruise idea - neither does the fact I have no money, or even a passport.
But seriously, even it was viable, this idea does not sit well with me.
Lauren, I don't think that's necessarily fair. I've willingly paid the £200 for Glastonbury before now, and this isn't a huge amount more - the £322 amount of whatever it is. Plus, all the food's free I believe, which probably brings it in line with Glastonbury. I don't think I earn a great deal (and I used to earn even less!) but having a festival (whether in a shitty field or on a luxury liner) as your one holiday of the year is probably affordable unless you're earning something really exploitative.
I'm not trying to have a go, it's just that not everyone there is going to horrible, moneyed people...
Someone earlier said something about tickets going for up to $9000. Admittedly, I didn't go on the website to check but now I have the cheapest avaible is $700 in total (although that's if you book with three other people). Most of the tickets are going for over $1000 which in my eyes isn't affordable at all. Most of the people I know don't earn enough to have even a "one holiday of the year". I'm not saying anyone is "horrible" I'm just saying it seems at odds with the Pulp ethos. I don't dislike Pulp for this nor would am I disapointed in them. Hey, if they're anything like my parents who are the same age they probably love a good cruise :P My gut reaction is just it's a little disheartening that they'll sing about class warfare to people who paid $1000 a pop.
I had earlier read it was £322. But then there's $200 booking fee. What's that? About £150. Yeah, it does start to become rather prohibitive around then doesn't it? Not hugely impressive re: stopping The Fans from going.
I suppose there's a new thread here...what's the most you've ever paid to see Pulp?
Very surprised by this. I'm thinking the same as Mike, Lauren, anet, saw et al. And yeah, Sheffield, though I'm not going as I don't have the money to spare to travel for that even, would've been a nice way to finish up.
This whole thing has been really bothering me all day. I've come to the conclusion that even if I COULD afford both the time and the expense of this, of which there is absolutely no chance anyway, I wouldn't really wanna go, which is kinda sad really.
I'm not sure I particularly like the idea, especially if it's the last shows they do. Ending it all with a two-week cruise to Jamaica, with tickets starting at $1,100 doesn't really entwine in with what Pulp have stood for over the last 30 years. I can totally understand that they're probably being paid a lot of money to do it, and hey why not if it's their last show! Take the money and run sort of thing, but it just rankles that it may well be the last ever live memory people have of Jarvis and Co.
"Cruises have become a trend of late in the music industry. Music-themed voyages are now a healthy segment of the live-music business. Once the province of ABBA cover bands and smooth jazz acts, artists as diverse as Kid Rock,KISS and R. Kellyhave jumped aboard the movement. And now that fans who were weaned on Coachella have reached their 30s and 40s, a cruise themed around alternative bands such as Weezer is a moneymaking proposition. The fast-rising electronic scene even boasts a cruise, the sold-out Holy Ship!"
As has been said, it is probably not that expensive for a cruise, though I wouldn't really know, having not reached the Saga generation yet. And who amongst us, given the chance, wouldn't eye up a nice work related jolly? I know when we eye up academic conferences, "Is it somewhere nice?" is a common question along with "Does this have any relevance to my work?".
So, it is a festival without any mud. Enough people must be going on these things by the sound of this article, how does the price relate to US wages/cost-of-living, being as this is a US-based tour? Plently of not-skint but also not-wealthy people save up for nice holidays. The difference between this and the famous Barcelona corporate bash is that at least these people will have chosen to be there for the cruise as a whole, taking into account the range of bands (as with any festival) and the other cruisey attractions.
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I don't understand all the negativity towards this. I'd definitely go if I could afford it. Even if it is full of rich old people this could be Pulp's opportunity to branch out and get even more fans. The longer Pulp go on touring and getting worldwide recognition the better. If any band deserves it, its them.
I'll bet a pint of premium belgian ale that this cruise is cancelled before it raises anchor. There is no way that this bunch of bands will be able to return the investment in the current concert market. Madonna couldn't even sell out Hyde Park last night.
"Cruises have become a trend of late in the music industry. Music-themed voyages are now a healthy segment of the live-music business. Once the province of ABBA cover bands and smooth jazz acts, artists as diverse as Kid Rock,KISS and R. Kellyhave jumped aboard the movement. And now that fans who were weaned on Coachella have reached their 30s and 40s, a cruise themed around alternative bands such as Weezer is a moneymaking proposition. The fast-rising electronic scene even boasts a cruise, the sold-out Holy Ship!"
Ooo! Kid Rock! Kiss! R. Kelly! Weezer!
What do all these groups have in common? Fratboys!
Look, if Pulp were 2nd or 3rd billed beneath any of the above, this might work. But as headliners? On a North American cruise? No way! Pulp's fanbase aren't really the tanning-bed set.
I really hope Pulp withdraw, or pull some massive publicity stunt to make a mockery of the whole cruise liner event.
Wouldn't it be great if they snubbed the Festival at the 11th hour, hired a crappy old boat, filled it with cheap beer and spirits, and invited all of their genuine fans onto it for a proper small party, pirate radio style?!
Go on Pulp, there's more value in the potential publicity and pride, rather than in the pay cheque from the cruise liner gig!
I dunno. I'm sure money is involved (obviously) but maybe they just genuinely think it's a unique opportunity to take part in. I really don't think they would be cruel enough to "end" things with this when it's such an exclusive thing sort of really just pandering to rich people who can afford it. It would be entirely against them I think, to do that. Maybe they just think it would be a good time.
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I really think this thing is going to fall flat on its face anyway. Look at the poster for god's sake - Pulp's name just looks ludicrous on top given the design screams 18-30 booze cruise. Their is atotal mis-match between the entertainment and the target audience.
I just hope Pulp jump ship before the whole thing sinks.
This is basically a summation of what others have been saying, but my problems with this whole thing:
1. I don't like the continued association with Coachella, since Pulp just played the festival, and didn't even get a headline slot on land; also I feel like Coachella has devolved over the last few years (we've discussed this before, brochella and all that...). I guess the Coachella people are confident enough in their brand that they think people will pay to attend regardless of the bands...I'm sure they have done their research, anyway. Personally, I'm confused about what kind of audience they are expecting...will there really be people on the cruise that don't already know Pulp?? Are there Hot Chip fans who will be willing to pay this much to see them on a cruise when they're already touring fairly extensively right now?
2. Cost, obviously...if you're willing/able to share a room with 3 other people it's $700 per person PLUS R/T airfare to Ft. Lauderdale, which may require staying in a hotel the night before, depending on where you're coming from. And that's if you're willing to be in a cabin with no windows, possibly even in the bottom of the ship (scary). For a couple it's at least $1,900. If you're a drinker, add the cost of alcohol, plus the cost of shore excursions if you want to do anything when you get to the Bahamas or Jamaica. I hear this is pretty good for a cruise, but it's still a lot of money. I don't generally have a problem with any band doing something just for the money, and agree that Pulp deserves to make as much as possible for everything they've given us, but as others have said, this does seems to conflict a bit with the band's (original) ethos.
3. The timing; for me this is the worst part, it's very annoying for anyone who's going to the Sheffield show to try and swing this a week or two later, plus the fact that the second cruise is just before Christmas, and flights home are going to be twice as expensive, with more crowded airports, not to mention that it's a giant pain to try to get days off of work right before a holiday anyway.
4. Why are there 2? I guess we'll see what the response is after the sale starts this weekend, but it seems like a big gamble to assume that it will sell as well as the festival in Indio, and why take the chance that you might've been able to sell out 1 boat (or at least come close) but instead split your audience between 2 boats and make a lot less money. I suspect that unless it sells dreadfully, even if sales are not great they might see it as an investment for future cruises, given that Pulp's incredible music and performance talents will surely win over all attendees who will dutifully spread the word about how great the whole experience was...
5. Sea legs are not fun. And if you feel sick there's no escape other than the middle of the boat.
On the other hand...it might actually be an amazing experience, and if I could get the time off I would probably do it. For the bands, they can easily bring their families and have a nice vacation, with a few shows thrown in, easy and lucrative. For the fans, you get the chance to maybe hang out or at least have a chat with the bands (if you're into that kind of thing), and at any time of the day there's interesting (?) music to check out, potentially interesting people to meet from (probably) all over the world. I spent a ridiculous amount of money (have to double costs since I force my husband along with me) to get to the Brixton shows and would do it again without hesitation (I suppose I am, with the Sheffield show). I hope the cruise does well and everyone who goes has a good time. But I still think the Sheffield show will be amazing, and I'd rather explore Manchester/Sheffield anyway, since I'm not a drinker or a beachy kind of gal.
As weed said (in another thread, I think), the mysterious drops of info are getting really old, and it's starting to feel like they're not orchestrating the reunion as brilliantly as it seemed they were last year (when Russell was still involved, ahem).
We should forward this to the Manchester and Sheffield Tourist Boards:
Where would you prefer to go in December, Manchester or the Bahamas?
Sorry, I'm not taking the Michael, you just wouldn't find many people with similar sentiments.
I tend to agree with the positive part of your argument there, Twiggy. It could be fun. Lots of people obviously do like cruises, there's enough of them, though Dover to Calais is my idea of a long enough boat trip. No-one is being forced to go, if you have the money and this is how you want to spend it, fine. If not, then don't, it's quite simple.
As you also say, the brand being sold here is Coachella, not Pulp and there appears to be an existing market for this sort of cruise thing, presumably Coachella know what they are doing. They don't have to rely of die-hard fans of one of the bands turning up, surely the whole point of a festival for most people is to get a chance to see a bit of lots of things. Anyway, Pulp seem to have gone down pretty well at the festival-proper from what we heard here, not saying that makes them household names in America, but there must be a part of the population that appreciates them. The appeal of any even vaguely popular band reaches into the general population and not just those who feel they "get it" properly, so there is probably not such a mismatch as might appear.
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There's a facebook group for people traveling all over for this, and some in search of people to stay with: https://www.facebook.com/groups/309112072518153/
I don't know why anyone is bothered that Pulp are playing a festival. It is on a cruise ship which is cool. I can't afford it, but I would love it. Plenty of people who are fans of a band have money they don't waste every month that they can spend on something like this. It would be great. Love it. Glad there are 2.
What's the big deal? It's just a music festival. I guess it's a pretty exclusive music festival, but you could say the same about ATP when compared to a lot of 'camping in a muddy field'-type events. It's a shame that it comes after the supposed 'final' gig in Sheffield, but if you were offered a gig on a cruise ship musical festival, would you turn it down? I wouldn't. The Weezer one looked class, and I don't even like Weezer very much! Plus the whole cruise concept is very tacky and very Pulp. I'm sure everyone who attends will have an amazing time. Pulp have always been too big to play ATP so this is really the next best thing.
ALSO it suggests that things may not really be over at the end of this year...
I think this is a far more "high end" than "tacky" cruise concept. And probably gives further credence to certain journalists who described Pulp reunion gigs last year as "cabaret with a side helping of music". I agree with much of what you say, though.
And I'd like to have seen Weezer play their first two albums live and band members doing sundry activities of a quirky nature with the fans. I think one of them conducted a renewal of wedding vows ceremony. Imagine Mark or Russell doing that...it would be worth the admission price alone.
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That 'ultimate shopping experience' might as well be in a different language for all the sense most of it means to me. I just got angry about this SS Coachella thing all over again.
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the first Bulgari shop on a ship, offering a selection of jewellery, watches and sunglasses.
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an assortment of watches which includes an Omega boutique, Philip Stein, Michele, Fendi, Crazy Carats, Tag Grand Carrera, Tag Heuer, Copard, Longines, Tissot, Frederique Constant and Michael Kors.
an assortment of new and modern jewellery which includes Robert Coin, John Hardy, Chopard, Le Vian, Effy coloured diamonds and Olivia Diamonds.
a mens shop which includes Tommy Bahama, Taylor Vintage Shorts and Nautica.
a womens shop which includes the newest addition of Eileen Fisher, Calypso from St. Barts, Tommy Bahama for ladies, MMK Swim, Bug Budda bags and hats, and Mad Bags.
an assortment of cosmetics which include Dior, La Prairie, Chanel, Lancome, Lauder and Clinique.
an assortment of fragrances which include Gucci, Bulgari, Calvin Klein, Armani, Versace, Dolce and Gabbana, Givenchy, Thierry Mugler, Juicy Couture, Marc Jacobs and Dior.
Bort, could you bring me back an autographed Tommy Bahama polo T?
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the fifth American Apparel shop on a ship
a mens shop which includes their sisters' old jeans
a rave shop which includes candee, pasties and furry boots
a shop which specializes in jorts
a convenience store which includes Vicks Vapor Rub, patchouli, PBR and Red Bull
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