Well just get them to take the verification off. It's clearly an ego thing- you love the fact that you have loads of followers etc blah blah blah, otherwise you'd just email twitter and say "oops, this is a parody account, I don't want to mislead anyone, please unverify the account". I can't think of ANY other reason that you wouldn't contact twitter about their mistake.

-- Edited by calumlynn on Tuesday 3rd of July 2012 02:19:23 AM

Oh, turns out that it's Tricia off here: Tricia, there are loads of fake Jarvis accounts, who cares. My problem with this is that you've had it verified and people ACTUALLY think it's Jarvis, which is why you've got nearly 20,000 followers. Just swallow your pride/ego and get twitter to take the verification symbol off, fucks sake.

No issue of pride or ego either

fair enough :)

and i'm not making assumptions. Firstly, when I first passed comment on the twitter account I had absolutely no way of knowing it was you. Secondly, you perfectly fit the bill of being a 'fangirl'. It's not a criticism, as you're clearly proud of the fact. And yes, i find your approach to Pulp irritating (but not you personally, as I don't know you), but everyone on tumblr loves it, so who am I to judge. I'm just a very serious fan I suppose, I find that posting funny pictures of band members and blogging about how cute they all are extremely reductive.

The music, the history and the context of the band are far, far more important to me. Stuff like Sturdy's book and especially Owen Hatherley's Uncommon are very important- looking at the social, political and geographical context of Pulp, a band to whom there is really no comparison, and who are SO much more than the caricature, cartoony, Carry On-esque Pulp as is shown in popular media, especially Tumblr. But I accept that enjoying the band in that way is equally as valid, just as enjoying 'Breathless' because it looks French and cool is equally as valid as enjoying it because of it's importance in post-war filmmaking etc. But on exactly how you appreciate Pulp, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Can't say fairer than that, right?

I find it incredibly insulting to suggest that because I blog about the band in one way, I only enjoy them in that way and couldn't possibly wrap my head around the politics or social influence of pulp's work. But I guess you must know more than me so I'll just go daydream about fucking Steve Mackey and not worry my head with anything complicated while you hold your nose up and act like you're better than me.

Just to clarify- this was NOT meant to be a personal attack on you, in any way! It was meant to be about the twitter account, which I had no idea you ran. Your defensiveness about the twitter just rubbed me the wrong way, and you did actually ask me why I thought you were a fangirl etc, so it's definitely not a character assassination. And of COURSE I accept that you can enjoy a band in different ways, and I'm sure you enjoy Pulp in the way I do- it's just the way you mainly represent this Pulp obsession on the internet that I don't really agree with personally.

It's ONLY my personal opinion, I don't think I'm a better fan than you in any way- I mean, I can hardly talk, what I know about Pulp is absolutely nothing compared to Stephen, Sturdy or Eamon, for example. I just wanted to explain exactly why I found the twitter irritating, seeing as you pressed me on it. I don't know you personally and I'm sure you're lovely, it's only your one approach to this one thing that I disagree with!! So absolutely no harm meant, and I'm so sorry if I upset you, and for my at times harsh words in the posts above- I just got a little annoyed and, as usual, was less tactful than I should have been. I am also a lovely person in real life, honestly!

p.s. PLEASE do get that twitter unverified, though. It's unfair- there are lots of people on my twitter and tumblr feeds who genuinely think it's Jarvis, and I just don't think that's right.

No no, you didn't offend me at all- I love arguments and debates in general and I've studied this kind of thing a bit (commodification/post-modernism/musicology in general) so it's personally quite important to me. But I often forget that just because I rarely take things personally, other people won't necessarily feel the same. So I am really sorry, I didn't mean to make you so stressed out and upset. I have to admit, I do find your sexual attraction to Pulp band members very, very strange (and I do wonder how accepted it would be for a man to say such overtly sexual things about a female pop star), but maybe that's because I'm a heterosexual male, and anyway I completely accept that their music is the most important thing to you. The fact you find them attractive is just coincidence, I suppose (though Jarvis is extremely good looking, and I challenge anyone to deny that!)

Just to wade in with my BIG FAT OAR.

Fake accounts being verified. Frustrating indeed. However, humourous twitters do amuse me the odd time I do go onto there. Personally I'd pick a fake Russell one rather than fake Jarvis, but that's just my taste.

I would query what's with the term 'fangirl' though. It seems a little pejorative. I'm clearly a fan boy, as are most of the 'good fans' that are named. But what's wrong with just 'fan'? As far as I know, whether ones genitals face outwards or inwards probably doesn't affect the degree of one's love for a band?

Regarding 'making assumptions', the term 'you love the fact that...' clearly is making assumptions. I know that when people make assumptions about what I'm thinking/feeling it really riles me, so I'm presuming this has had a similar effect on Tricia, which seems a little unfair. "It seems to be that you love the fact that...' is fairer and less emotive.

"I'm just a very serious fan I suppose..."
Apparently I'm a serious fan, however...

"I find that posting funny pictures of band members and blogging about how cute they all are extremely reductive."
...I do find the photo of Mark as bank manager hilarious. And not sure about various members being cute, but the way they look is certainly a very important part of Pulp's appeal. They weren't 'Sleeperblokes', and Jarvis - for one - did promote himself as a sex symbol/pop star which is what he'd decided to make himself. Hence I don't see a problem in commenting on this sort of thing.

"Stuff like Sturdy's book and especially Owen Hatherley's Uncommon are very important- looking at the social, political and geographical context of Pulp"

Whilst I love the Gospel According to Mark, it's 'cos it's telling a story and telling of a fan's notions of what was happening through those times. I personally hate the idea of a social/political context to Pulp being done like a dry academic paper. Geographical fair enough though, as those other Sheffield bands are important, which is why I've been keen to promote the old Premspeak tracks which has, I believe, had a fair few downloads now.

"who are SO much more than the caricature, cartoony, Carry On-esque Pulp as is shown in popular media"
I personally like that charicature/cartoony aspect to Pulp. It's part of the image that they created for themselves after all.

"just as enjoying 'Breathless' because it looks French and cool is equally as valid as enjoying it because of it's importance in post-war filmmaking etc."
It's an enjoyable film, but both the guy and the girl are nobs. Is it that important? Hadn't really thought about it.

"I just think that the way you (mainly) appreciate Pulp is extremely shallow, in MY opinion."
Again, as a serious fan I do object to this. I'm not sure what's so shallow about loving a band for the bits that really move you. I also enjoyed Tricia's story of her trip to Banks Pottery. I've done the same myself, and also gigglingly made my way down Jarvis' street in London and stared at his house, and - perhaps more worryingly - also been party to an occasion in which Russell's house was located and looked at. Boringly normal, sadly, for the record. I also held a party wherein we played a few of the Pulp games from the old Discovery magazine. I do hope this is ok?

"I do find your sexual attraction to Pulp band members very, very strange (and I do wonder how accepted it would be for a man to say such overtly sexual things about a female pop star)"

It depends really. If said female popstar promotes themselves as a sexual thing ala Jarvis, or humps the bass for the duration of a gig ala Steve, then it's fair game I think.

Dig UP, Calum!

What is tumblr exactly...?

I'm gonna be honest Calum, in the years I've been frequenting this message board I've found virtually all the negativity and general holier-than-thou troll-ness (of which there's not a lot!) stems entirely from you. You seriously need to cool off and grow up a little. Good lord, people are being slaughtered in Syria and you're throwing a fit over a fake Jarvis twitter account. And the assertion that Tricia's liking Pulp "in the wrong way?" Because you're the authority on how people can enjoy music? Brother, you need to go outside and talk to some real-life girls.

-- Edited by Holden on Tuesday 3rd of July 2012 07:29:03 PM

Not an active member of the Pulp fan community but I thought I'd stop by. I saw that this guy has opened up his ask box again after the tantrum he threw but I didn't really want to engage in round II of his straw man games.

This poster made the assertion that britpop fans in North America are incredibly depressed at not being able to see their favourite bands and implied that they sit around wanking over pictures of them (which... what an strange thing to believe is specific to North America, tbh). I simply pointed out that I have actually seen all of my favourite britpop bands via this amazing thing called travel, and that I'm quite happy in Canada with no desire to live in the UK. For this, I was labelled a closeted Anglophile and a pro-Canadian xenophobe, which I find ridiculous and said so - I don't think that not wanting to be called an anglophile, which, for me, denotes someone with a romanticized view of Britain, or stating that I don't want to live in a country that has oppressed my people, my parents included, makes me either hysterical or a xenophobe tbh. I simply stated that this was the stupidest application of the word xenophobic that I'd ever seen. Really, the assertion that non-British fans are inherently inferior to those in Britain would be more xenophobic, I'd think.

In any case, I absolutely could not be made upset by someone who thinks that the effects of colonization are as far in the past as those of the Roman empire. ... Incidentally, I just (today!) finished my undergrad in Latin and Classical Civilization, ha.

I never made any assertions as to the character of British people - I only said that this individual, in addition to being a moron, clearly has a stick wedged up his ass. And that calling people on the internet 'sniveling brats', rather than making you sound smart, makes you sound like a pathetically cartoonish villain - very Severus Snape. 

There is essentially no point in talking with someone so fatuous that they'd actually bring up Bela Tarr and Marxists in the context of Pulp. However, for the record, if you actually read academic articles and yknow, meet academics, you'll find that a lot of them are 'fangirlish.' And as I said, Morrissey being an obsessive fan who collected rare photos of James Dean/NYD etc didn't result in the end of music.  Nor did Brett Anderson rhapsodizing about how beautiful Bowie smelled.

And I know this is tl;dr but that's how I roll, tbh. Bye and thanks you guys for all the bootlegs etc!

Anyone got any popcorn?

oh dear. calling something 'The Cultural Motherland.' that was sarcasm. did you miss the capitals?

I don't understand how someone who wants Pulp to be discussed like the films of Bela Tarr can call anyone else faux-intellectualizing. 

I'm actually going to lawschool but thanks for playing.

Btw, I don't want to pretend that I'm ashamed of my 'internet presence' - I'm chekhonte on tumblr, 20727 (formerly highrising) on livejournal, and jarvizcocker (formerly lindadox) on youtube. I hope you're not disappointed that jarvizcocker isn't actually Jarvis. Maybe I've robbed you of your next expose.

What's become of this forum? Mind you, if I was YankeeHotelFoxtrot I'd be LOVING IT! (but s/he's probably better than that.)

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 I'm jarvizcocker (formerly lindadox) on youtube. I hope you're not disappointed that jarvizcocker isn't actually Jarvis. Maybe I've robbed you of your next expose.

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 You're jarvizcocker! You're great, props to you.

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It reminds me too much of ridiculous arguments I got into on the internet when I was 18 or 19. Mortified when I read them now. Stop, Calum, for the love of christ, you don't need to win this one.

Just have to say, I found this debarcle thoroughly entertaining and quite educational ...thanks! :)

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Psst! calum, there are almost 60M tumblr users, I don't understand why you can't find someone sharing your interests.   The visual nature and short-form blog format is why it is popular with teenagers and fandom. So it's pretty much populated by Dr. Who fans and cat lovers. If you want see  some serious architecture convo then join Skyscraper City forum. Here. Here. Most members are  architecture and urban planning enthusiasts.  Tumblr is not the place to go. People use tumblr b'coz of it's simple and it's a lighthearted way to share your favorite image or video. If you are looking for a Pulp fan, male or female, who isn't fancying Jarvis, then I'm sorry, there is no such thing. But you can follow this and this. Both respected music journalists and pop culture experts. 

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Oh thanks for this, I'm actually on the Skyscraper City forums already, but mainly to do with public transport and North East urban planning-related stuff. I suppose complaining that Tumblr is shallow or whatever is like going to Indietracks and complaining that everyone is really twee. I should just stop using it if I don't like it, I just find it difficult to ignore the stuff I hate sometimes. I'll definitely follow those blogs you suggested, thanks.

Wow, not only can you not understand obvious sarcasm, you also have problems with reading comprehension. I never stated that you are responsible for anything other than being an idiot. Simply put, you wouldn't know where to start with anything else. I just objected to the romanticism that the term anglophile conveys and have absolutely no desire to live in the UK, with I think, good (albeit personal) reason. That's all. It's a good straw man though and one of course, held up in part by the misogyny (hysterical women on tumblr after me just because I'm a true fan and they aren't!!!!!) that seems commonplace with you.

I know you insist that you're not a lowly undergrad, and not a 'brat' as you are of course, all of 22, so from that I was expecting a sudden blast of Ronan Farrow levels of intelligence. Colour me disappointed.

And yes, I'm jarvizcocker and I'm glad you enjoy the vids, though they're the products of internet hunting rather than me actually doing the real work with taping/physical conversions etc! :)

More like someone is being a bullying, misogynist asshole on the internet. Wrong too though. No question of that.

Hmm, i think of myself as more skeptical than just negative, I don't mean to come across that way. And I've said time and time again- it's just my opinion, I don't expect anyone to agree. I do need to cool it, when I start making people genuinely upset it gets a bit much. I'm not a bastard. I guess I've been coming on this forum since 2005 (when it was that impossible to navigate message board), and it's changed very dramatically over the last couple of years. It used to be more 'serious', in my opinion, and I liked that, but I should maybe just accept that the forum has changed and embrace it. Certainly the last thing it needs is me being a dick. And also, I DID find Tricia's twitter funny! It's just that when other people and twitter themselves start believing it actually IS Jarvis, the joke ceases to be funny, in my opinion.

Lauren, that made me smile. I think I maybe misjudged tumblr/the motives of obsessive-seeming tumblr fans. I just didn't really 'get it'. But thankfully I've never had the misfortune to read any Pulp fanfic!!

Yeah, it's the sexualisation which crosses the line. I follow this hilarious One Direction blog, and you kind of expect it from that kind of fan, but when it's applied to Pulp it just makes me feel... I dunno, sad I guess. You could argue that Jarvis open himself up to sexualisation, but that doesn't mean it's RIGHT to sexualise him (as it's creepily close to the "she was asking for it" school of thinking), and the rest of the band certainly don't open themselves up to that kind of thing.

I think you've really hit the nail on the head with tumblr being a mix of serious and lighthearted posts, and that in itself being very confusing. I personally don't follow anything related to 'fandoms' and the like- most tumblrs I follow are personal blogs belonging to friends, music journalism type stuff, feminist blogs, vegetarianism and animal rights stuff, public transport blogs etc etc- I'd never really thought about it before, but I suppose that all of those are relatively 'serious' when compared to all the fandom stuff, which before last night I'd never really experienced! It was a change in tone that I was pretty surprised by, to be honest!

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You don't follow fandom blogs but you follow a ONE DIRECTION blog? Make your mind up lad! Also most of those OD fans are probably in their early teens. Don't judge them too harshly.

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 hahah I follow it because it makes me laugh!! It's absolutely hillarious, look: http://harrystylesstripping.tumblr.com/

And no, I wouldn't judge them, they're just bairns, I just meant that it made me sad (personally, my personal opinion, no right or wrong etc) when Pulp fans act the same way.

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Jarvis's (I am absolutely positive that isn't grammatically correct) lyrics in particular has influenced not only my appreciation of their music but my life and no amount of laughing at crudely PhotoShopped images will change that. The sort of light hearted fun poking you'll mainly find on Tumblr is the sort that comes from a place of admiration - people tend to say far more vulgar things when they only appreciate a band for their looks.

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 Just returning to this- I completely agree with you that you can still enjoy a band on a kind of 'serious' or emotional level, yet also have fun with them. Again, with tumblr I only ended up seeing this very one sided way that people appreciate the band- I suppose that a more complex (for want of a better word) appreciation of the band just isn't really doable on that platform.

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I can't judge you too harshly. I was a bit of a nob in my early twenties too. Fuck it I'm a bit of a nob now....

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 haha nothing wrong with being a nob! i just need to get better at hiding my nobbishness...

Jesus Calum, you don't half rub people up the wrong way.

If you want a more in depth analysis of pulp, then just come to this site. At the end of the day tumblr is a website to exchange pictures and small bits of text, not for a discussion so there is no point being disappointed when people use it for what it was meant for. (And although your allegations against Tricia are long gone, the fact that she goes to this site disproves your point about her only liking Pulp in a sexual way. Not that people who don't frequent this site aren't any less of a fan). As far as I'm concerned the only indecent thing Tricia has ever done on her blog is say that Lyndhurst Grove and Happy Endings are boring. Sexualising band members is nothing new and why not? People do it to celebrities and non-celebrities alike and just because they appreciate physical attributes, that doesn't mean they can't appreciate anything else about them.

I'm baffled by this whole verification thing, do they just verify accounts without even checking then? That's really bloody annoying. But Calum, please pack it in, you keep cropping up with this irritating need to have arguments. Please go do that elsewhere if that's what you want, we're not about that here

Wasn't it one of the old scenes in 'Fruits of Passion'?

You do find some extraordinary things on Tumblr.

 

I believe that's actually Tricia again. Tricia if you do indeed have all those twitter pulp-fan followers could you tweet about the we love life petition - it seems like an ideal way of getting the word out to the masses

20,000 followers... That would blow We Love Life Day out of the water!

It's brilliant. Sort of.

fredthe3rd wrote:

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20,000 followers... That would blow We Love Life Day out of the water!

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Actually, despite the fact that the verified fake twitter account creeps me out, WLL is a more important cause, and if it's still verified you could actually tweet that a We Love Life reissue is DEFINITELY happening. If it's done right, press could pick up on it, and what better way to alert Island to the fact that people want to see it happen?

well I retweeted the we love life petition from the wll deluxe twitter anyway

It's gone up again. 592 this morning, and 600 now. I keep getting notifications through suggesting people are finding the Facebook page first, and then going to Pulpwiki to sign it. Great stuff, though. I hope it keeps appearing in other peoples' feeds and continues to snowball. Certainly looks like the steepest curve we've seen thus far, anyway..