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Amazing work again Stephen, thank you for your efforts!

 

Edit: These Hands?



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The below arrived in the post today, courtesy of Paul Mills (who put the Premspeak tapes together).

Now you know why I was looking for advice on transferring tapes to computers!

The items are on loan, and are (in the case of the gigs) the master tapes. To be honest, I don't *entirely* know what versions some of these tracks are. But I'm gonna have fun finding out!

But yes, those are missing Rockwells tracks.

These tracks will all hopefully be with the rest of you as quickly as I feasibly can.

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Oh wow, good work!! I think there will be some excited people on Bar Italia tonight :)

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here's one of the excited people on Bar Italia tonight!! :)

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Exciting!

I guess 'These Hands' is actually There's No Emotion.

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Will, I'm presuming so too. Remember that Paul was going to gigs a lot when there weren't records to be bought! He'll have decided on titles himself, I suppose. Much like we did many years ago with stuff like 'Respect Her Reject Her' before Mark found out it had been called 'Repressive Forkout'.

Also note that the Maze Tape hardly has any tracks identified.

God knows what's on the Rockwells one, though. I'm leaving that 'til last :)

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On the Rockwells tape, I wonder which Maureen it is at the start? Sudan Gerri is likely. But it could also be the Bad Maureen version, which would be really interesting. Coy Mistress is after it, which comes from the Bad Maureen Demo.

Anyway, Stephen, I'm sure you're going to have fun finding out.



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Nice one! And you were worried the other night about him not getting back to you about it! What an impressive haul...I don't suppose he included the songs he wrote with Jarvis, did he (that is the same Paul Mills..right?)?

And are they two previously uncirculated interviews or is one of them the one from just before Freaks came out? Liking, ''Knights of Suburbia'' too.

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Will - no idea. But yes, look forward to finding out! Given that Paul put out Maureen on Premspeak though, it seems likely to be the 'normal' version. And presumably 'Coy Mistress' has come from the 'Beware the Bacon Slicer' comp. We'll see.

Currently working with the 'least' interesting of the tapes thus far - the bottom right one. A beautiful, warm (vinylly!) version of Tunnel, and a similarly great Manon have been transferred thus far. I'm going to have to change the bitrate though. Tunnel's gone across as half a gig! There's a bit of tape hiss which is frustrating, but that's just what happens, I suppose.

Oh, and 'Nights' on that tape appears to be, again, the usual version.

And Eamonn, I'm afraid I was a bit naughty - when I answered you I had already been told they were in the post. Just didn't want to count my chickens!

The Jarvis & Paul songs should still exist, but he didn't have them to hand at the time. Hopefully they'll follow at some point!

I'll let you know on the ints.

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The interview on this first tape is just a section of the BBC Sheffield one (for those hoping for something else!)

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Also, one way of reading the inlay for the Rockwells tape is that the setlist is as follows:

Simultaneous
Back in LA
Tunnel
They Suffocate at Night
The Mark of the Devil
Little Girl
Anorexic Beauty
Maureen
Blue Glow
There's No Emotion

No Hurry Up Harry then!



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I transferred the bottom left tape last night and have listened to snippets. The Jarvis & Russell interview seems to have been recorded just after the Limit 3/3/87 gig (as in 'later on that evening'!). That gig's also included on this tape. Also, the 'They Suffocate at Night' mentions appears to have been an airing on the (local?) radio, introduced as it is by a cheery presenter. Who was probably rather less cheery when it finished!

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If it's the same interview Paul sent me, I dated it to late Nov / very early Dec 1986 - isn't there a mention at some point of the 100 Club gig being "next week"?

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Mark,

I've only listened to snippets of the interview yet and want to save it for when I'm not trying to get ready for work so's I can enjoy it! I'll write up whatever conclusions I can draw from it. I'd presume the interview is the same one that you've got as it's written that it's out-takes from Premspeak. Paul's keen to make the Premspeaks available as soon as he works out a way of sending the massive files to me! I've told him of sendspace already, so we'll see...

I read the Rockwells tape in a similar way. Although obviously one does, of course, want it to contain What Do You Say? and Everybody's Problem. It's quite a standard fare setlist, bar the two most exciting songs that have already been circulated. Still, it's always nice to hear another 'Anorexic Beauty'. And 'Blue Glow' too I suppose!

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I dont know what to say apart from its very much appreciated and we look forward to listening to it all! :P

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Cutcopy, I think the main way in which Paul wants to be appreciated is by this revitalising interest in his original Premonition Media/Premspeak project (which he still wants to get digitally distributed at some point) and also by getting a bit of interest in his mid 80s band of Pulp contemporaries who are reuniting this year to play some 25th anniversary gigs. Will duly provide links when next at a computer!

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thanks Stephen, will have a look once you post back. cutters.

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Paul says

"The Nihilistics: http://www.nihilistics.org/

(I'm the dorky looking one in green lurking at the back. We once did a Pulp tribute (in 1987) called "Pulp get everywhere" (to the tune of "Dogs are everywhere") but fortunately it never got recorded)

[solo project:] The Weird & The Wonderful: http://www.reverbnation.com/theweirdandthewonderful

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50% done! Finished chopping and saving Tape two, which contains the Limit gig, an interview and other things.

Highlight from the interview thus far is...

Well Russell, you've now made it through into a second line-up of the band. Does this make you integral to Pulp?
(laughs) Not really. I'm just a session musician.

The interview is over half an hour long, and *none* of it made it onto Premspeak! The Premspeak stuff was recorded at the same time, but I only have this 30 minutes of offcuts!



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Sounds great :)

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Woah, you were into Pulp in 87?! That IS hardcore.

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~can't decide if Fred is being sarky or just confused~

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Ah, you're quoting someone! Excuse me while I bury my head in my hands.

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I was six years old in 1987 :)

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Thought you might be one of those youthful looking forty-something's...

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Here's a minutely detailed account of what I found...

This is all from an email I've just written to Paul, so it may sound odd out of context!

Tape #1 had the full version of Tunnel on it, but followed that with a pristine copy of the 'Master of the Universe' B-Side 'Manon'. Normally this only circulates in a version recorded from vinyl a few years back, so is a bit crackly. Yours was, presumably, recorded nearer the time, and is pristine. This has never been released on CD (and is, to my mind, a far better version than the 'Manon' that *was* released on CD), so it's great to have. 'Silence' (the other B-Side) follows, then there's a lengthy clip of an otherwise available BBC interview, and then the version of Nights of Suburbia that appeared on a July '87 comp and was recorded live at Dolebusters on 1/9/85. This comp also included the Fuck City Shitters and Steve Mackey's old band, Trolley Dog Shag.

Tape #2 had the full - and amazing - 3/3/87 gig at the Limit at which the 'new Pulp' were unveiled. This gig does circulate, but hopefully this new recording straight from the master will improve on the previous quality. What sounds like almost straight after this, you interview Jarvis and Russell. This seems to date from a little earlier than this though, as Russell talks about Candida having left. She was only missing from the band in Nov/Dec '86 and definitely plays at the Limit gig. Amazing interview, though. Really candid and surprisingly honest. I think you chose some good questions to ask. I think you mentioned you've digitised the part of this that appeared on Premspeak. [...]

After this there's another unique piece - They Suffocate at Night played on BBC Radio Sheffield! There's a snippet of John Peel playing 'Everybody's Problem' that predates this, but this is probably the second earliest recording of Pulp being played on the radio. Great catch!

Tape #3 is the Maze gig (29/4/86) in its entirety. I circulated this a little while back to the fans and the reception was pretty euphoric. The sound's not as crystal clear as a gig at Hull from around the same time, but the gig itself sounds like it was one hell of a performance. The band - and Jarvis in particular - are all on top form. It includes the pretty rare Nights of Suburbia again and, hopefully, this is again a better quality that than currently circulating. After this you've put on the Ping Pong Jerry demos which do already exist in better quality.

Tape #4 is a right hodgepodge! There was some hope that first track 'Maureen' would be from the Jan '84 'Bad Maureen' demo, but it is in fact from the sudan Gerri demo in Nov '84, from which presumably you got it and included it on Premspeak 1 in May '87 - alongside the J&R interview mentioned earlier. The 'Bad Maureen' version thus remains tantalisingly unheard and uncirculated. The next two tracks, however *are* from the Bad Maureen demo. It's 'I Want You' and the absolutely mental 'Coy Mistress', both shrouded in echo, but both sounding - I think - better than the currently available copies. Thanks again! After that it's the first released Pulp song, What Do You Say - the only available track from the first Pulp demo. This track was released on 'your Secret's Safe with us', but the rest of the demo remains unheard. After that it's quite a muddy Everybody's Problem. After that it's (I think) a 18/12/84 gig at the B-Hive. this starts with two run throughts of Simultaenous, follows with the extremely rare Back in LA, then Tunnel, then settles into more familiar Pulp '84 territory. The gig is fascinating, though. Pulp aren't playing well, Jarvis is tetchy and pissed off, and the audience - apart from two drunk girls repeatedly shouting for 'My Lighthouse' aren't interested. And one point Jarvis introduces 'My Lighthouse', but it's actually Anorexic Beauty - played so badly they have to restart it! Thus, I suppose, one could say these tapes contain one of the very best (Maze gig) and one of the very worst of the mid 80s gigs (this one). Both fascinating in different ways, but both wonderful to hear. The last six songs of this gig haven't been circulated before, so it's great to have them.

In total then, these tapes offer up seven entirely unheard recordings, three released tracks that exist in much better quality on here, and three complete gigs in total, each of which seems to be better than that which is currently in circulation. Amazing stuff!

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Amazing stuff indeed!

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:) :) :)

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Amazing! Are we going to have to start Portfolio 3.0 now?

Edit: If so, that's a good thing, of course!



-- Edited by weej on Monday 28th of May 2012 08:01:10 AM

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Well, a nice email seems to go down well. He's just spent me a digital copy of Premspeak 1.

http://www.pulpwiki.net/Pulp/Premspeak1

Also featuring Paul's own band, the Nihilistics. I believe he's trying to get them a slot at this year's Tramlines.

I'll share this whole thing as soon as I'm able, but will probably get the two parts of the interview matched up first.

Anyone else think the cover looks like Antony Genn c. 1988?


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