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There's currently 285 votes on the petition on Pulp Wiki to get WLL DX released and a lot of them are silly names, which is frankly a bit shit.

So I had an idea; every single one of you who reads this forum and wants a WLL deluxe edition must, on Friday, promote the cause on another website that you peruse, even if it doesn't seem like a natural fit, then we can all watch the number of votes rocket up.

Anyone with me on this? Which website will you post on?



-- Edited by fredthe3rd on Thursday 26th of April 2012 10:42:15 PM

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I only post on here, twitter and Facebook.

Shall we all mob twitter and see how many of us can get it retweeted? We can agree on a joint message beforehand...

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Facebook and twitter's great! Everyone's got a different circle of people on there so it wouldn't matter if lots of people posted on there.

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I'm up for mobbing last.fm and twitter, but I'll be flying from Beijing to London with a toddler that day, so probably no-can-do, I'm afraid.

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It doesn't have to be that day, just thought it would be a good way of doing it.

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I would/can also do Last.FM. That seems to be my mode of transport these days..... what about emailing blogs like The Quietus, Drowned in Sound etc. Surely there has to be some interest in this due to the Scott Walker connection?

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fredthe3rd wrote:

So I had an idea; every single one of you who reads this forum and wants a WLL deluxe edition must, on Friday, promote the cause on another website that you peruse, even if it doesn't seem like a natural fit, then we can all watch the number of votes rocket up.


I definitely support this. Realistically a lot more votes are needed if the petition is going to stand any chance of succeeding. It certainly seems worth having another go to pushing up the number of votes.

 

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There's currently 285 votes on the petition on Pulp Wiki to get WLL DX released and a lot of them are silly names, which is frankly a bit shit.


Should obviously fake or silly names be removed? What do people think? I think they do detract a bit.

I've already deleted a substantial number of signings where there was no doubt the same person had voted more than once. There was one idiot who started voting every day and didn't get the message when his entries were repeatedly deleted. I've permanently blocked his IP address now and that seems to have put a stop to it.



-- Edited by Will on Sunday 22nd of April 2012 02:10:49 PM

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Jazza had the right idea printing out those flyers she made when Jarvis was reciting some lyrics from his book across the country before Christmas.
Probably something we should have organised for the RAH gig, or given the lighting technician a pint to project the flyer on-screen for 17 seconds.

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As long as the IP addresses are valid, I'd leave the sillier names for now and maybe delete them further down the line if we have an impressive number of normal-looking names. Have we decided what an impressive number would be?

I like that you can leave a comment too. Some of the messages are quite clever and funny.

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Eamonn wrote:

Have we decided what an impressive number would be?


When we started I think 2,000 was mentioned, that seems overly optimistic now. Ideally, I think we should still be looking to go over 1,000.



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I'll tweet about it on Fri

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the 27th is also my 22nd birthday happy birthday me!!!

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I'm not much up on social networking unfortunately but I can post on the eels forum, and the Stephen king and folksy forums for what it's worth... Can't do any harm anyway. Might sign up to the Divine Comedy forum and post there as well.

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i will see what i can do :)

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Will do my best! Although the only other music based forum I go on is PWEI (really can't see many other PWEI/Pulp fans out there, but one will post with optimism) and everything else is making wine or allotment type sites.... Did post to FB last time, will do again and ask people to share I guess :)


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I'm going to post on any sites I'm a member of in the hope that someone on there will be a fan, can't do any harm.

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We should have a twitter hashtag thing. #WeLoveLifeDeluxe blatant enough?

Also a spiel describing the quality of some of the songs that aren't officially out there yet?

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Are there any impressive youtube videos of any of the songs being performed live?

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Just found this posted on youtube by jaz4157, is that our very own Jazza?!? I don't recall her mentioning this...

 



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Fred,

I'm afraid there's only been three gigs were unreleased WLL material was aired.

10/6/99 at a private party in Venice saw Roald Dahl, Duck Diving, Quiet Revolution and Cuckoo. The band recorded this, but it's not in circulation.
31/8/99 at Flux, Edinburgh. Again, Roald Dahl, Duck Diving, Quiet Revolution and Cuckoo were played. There's an audio of this, but no video.
2/9/99 at Liss Ard Festival in Co. Cork. Again, Roald Dahl, Duck Diving, Quiet Revolution and Cuckoo were played to a few hundred people and some bad reviews. No audio even exists of this.

Duck Diving also exists as the 12/8/01 Peel Session too, of course.

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Yeah that was me - I thought since it was in Mother, Brother, Lover people would be more likely to type it into youtube, see the appeal and sign the petition. It only got 170 views though so probably not a brilliant strategy

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There might only be 115 signatures on the petition without it.

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Let's try and get some blurb ready. Who's got good, eye-catching writing skills?

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How's about a pimped up version of what's on PulpWiki?

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The Pulp album 'We Love Life' is now eleven years old.

However, the songs which appeared on the album only tell half the story of the busy songwriting and recording period which the group engaged in between 1999 and 2001 under various producers, including Walker Brothers legend Scott and long time Pulp/Pink Floyd/Beatles producer Chris Thomas. And Howie B.

Universal Music Group, in close collaboration with the group, issued two disc deluxe versions of Pulp's earlier albums His 'n' Hers, Different Class and This is Hardcore, offering up to the world the delights of Can I Have My Balls Back Please, Modern Marriage, The Boss...and Nick Cave fronting the band on a version of Disco 2000.

Yet We Love Life has so much more....blah....blah blah...

To help petition Universal Music Group to release the many unreleased songs from this period, in the form of a We Love Life deluxe edition or digital downloads of the individual songs, please click HERE.

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How's about this? I'll probably read it in the morning and shudder but I'll post it anyway. I'm off to bed:
In October 2001 Pulp released their seventh studio album We Love Life, it had been two years in the making and it would prove to be their last.
Making the album proved difficult, there were various stops and starts, there were four aborted recording sessions before the band entered the studio with Scott Walker as producer and the album finally started to take shape.
Unfortunately some of the bands finest songs fell by the wayside, some were played live a handful of times, some were leaked as demoes, only heard by the most ardent fans, a few others have never been heard at all.
In 2006 the band's other three albums with Island Records (His n Hers, Different Class and This Is Hardcore) were released as deluxe versions, each with a bonus disc of rare and unreleased tracks.
We Love Life Deluxe was never released and based on what has been heard, it would have been superb. 
These songs deserve to be heard.
Please sign our petition


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Oh, you've done one too Stephen, maybe combine the two?

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Er, and what is wrong, or much different to the above for that matter, with what I put on the wiki?! *sniff*

Nah, Jazza has been the most creative with the flyer and video. Interesting, as when me and Will put the idea of a deluxe petition together one suggestion we had was putting a video on youtube with snippets of the demos and live stuff that is out there. Our concern was over the inclusion of demos in circulation, being as they shouldn't really be, and that Universal could well take a dim view of the whole thing if they knew about it.

I think Jazza's video is great, maybe if we could make one with bits of the live ''Flux'' versions of The Quiet Revolution and Cuckoo aswell as the Grandfather's Nursery demo (which was actually released, albeit in a curious way). And then put a bit of meat on the thing by adding in bits of My Body May Die and Born To Cry too and then have text similar to Jazza's on-screen. Stuff like the bit about Quiet Revolution from Jarvis' book.

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Eamonn wrote:

Er, and what is wrong, or much different to the above for that matter, with what I put on the wiki?! *sniff*


 The absence of "....blah....blah blah..."  wink.gif



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one thing that might help is a proper stand alone link for the petition, rather than a page on the wiki site. I personally feel that having the link on the wiki feels like its just a bunch of fans trying to get songs released biggrin, whereas a new link would feel more professional. The new link could always lead people back to the wiki to 'learn more about PULP'.

Facebook page, and twitter would work too.

 

 

 



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Stephen was pimping your write up I think as I suggested. Then after I suggested it I thought well theyll read that when they visit the site so I'll write something different. But if it's a direct link that doesnt matter. Do you want to do that video Eamon? Sounds good. Have you got the skills to do it? I know I haven't.

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I could do the video...but I've not got anything like the time required between now and the 27th to be able to pull it off, sadly.

The blurb could contain links to stuff like Jazza's video?

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Do we need an extra week for this?

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Even then I'd struggle with a video. I have a big extra-curricular project about to arrive on my doorstep this very evening, I think...

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Normally I would also be able to do a video but my exams start next week. If we still haven't got enough signatures by 23rd May then I will have 18 months with nothing to do, but until then I'm too busy revising

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I think we should go with the text with a link to any relevant youtubes, such as Jazza's.

Best of luck with the exams. Is it A Levels?

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Could anyone do it in that period or is it an impossible task?

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Stephen wrote:

I think we should go with the text with a link to any relevant youtubes, such as Jazza's.

Best of luck with the exams. Is it A Levels?


Thanks yeah it is - well IB which is an equivalent

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I can't do a youtube video but I've had a crack at the audio if that's any help.

Snippets of Cuckoo, Revolution (both live at Flux) and Grandfather.

It sounds alright to me (two left ears though) although Grandfather sounds maybe a bit muddy, went back to the original version and that suddenly sounded muddy as well so maybe I'm hearing things.

It's on the 2007 account, honest opinions please; we need to get this right.

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Maybe the petition page should have links to 20 second snippets of the choruses from the available songs...?

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Was it that bad?

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Ha, no - I don't know! I'm at work and don't get to download stuff here.

Or else they'll put me in a suitcase. In a bath.

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That's a strange and unusual punishment... it probably is that bad though.

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After seeing what is in the massive blur box set coming out. I wonder if Pulp's record co. would consider doing something like this? We would surely get all the We Love Life stuff if they were to do a box set that in depth into the back catalog.

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You mean this?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Blur-21-Also-Includes-Single/dp/B007SAKSF2/ref=pd_sim_sbs_m_h__1

I'd rather pay under £20 for the privilege of unreleased songs.



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It's odd though, isn't it. Pulp seem to be more universally 'loved' than Blur...but they never really had the record says or commercial longevity. I mean, look at the various similarly placed bands of that era's best ofs. Blur's 2000 Best Of got to No. 3 (with 43 weeks on chart), Suede's 'Singles' comp got to No. 31, and even Dodgy's 1998 best of got to No. 55. Yet Pulp only managed No. 71 with 'Hits'. I don't think Island would have the confidence that a box set would sell very well at all...

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How's this for a slide show?


Apologies for the poor sound quality...

The song you are listening to is a live recording from 1999


It has never been properly released

Which is a shame really...

In 2006 Island Records released Deluxe Editions of three Pulp albums:

His 'n' Hers

Different Class

and This Is Hardcore

They contained previously unreleased songs and were greatly appreciated by fans everywhere

...but We Love Life, their final album to date, never got a Deluxe Edition

Some songs were played live a few times, such as:

The Quiet Revolution

Roald Dahl

Cuckoo

Other songs were demoed, but have only been heard by the most ardent fans:

After You

Got To Have Love

Le Roi Des Fourmis

Grandfather's Nursery

Other songs have never been heard by anyone outside of the recording studio:

Darren

M'Lady

The Performance of a Lifetime

St. Just

Love You Baby

Six String

My Mistake

Last Song In The World

Medieval Owl

Dream Galaxy

That's a lot of music...

Want to hear more?

Then please,

Sign our petition

Maybe, with your help, they'll see the light of day one day soon

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Yeah,
Those are both good points.


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£120? F'ing hell! Mind you, what's £120 / 21 discs? £5.70 per disc? That's a bargain! In a way.

The Andy Partridge produced Modern Life stuff is very exciting...

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I think that blur boxset looks brilliant and I would buy without a second thought if I could afford it. Modern Life is one of my favourite albums.

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Absolutely. However, I've already spent a fair amount on Blur over the years, and will probably plump for downloading the stuff I don't have. If there was a one or two cd 'rarities' thing released of all the previously unreleased tracks on there, I'd buy that. But not for £120...

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Without wanting to sound like a complete dick (unavoidable) can someone give me some feedback on my audio sample?

I'll make the video if someone can point my in the direction of some instruction in how, unless you need some sort of special equipment that is.

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Now that's what I'm talking about! Especially liked the transition from Quiet Rev to Grandad's Allotment. The latter does sound muddy, but in a way that makes the petition look stronger - we want clean, remastered versions of all these songs! I'd maybe let that fade into My Body May Die or something else before the ''here comes the rain'' bit gets too boring to the uninitiated. The running time for your medley is probably about right for a petition promo too.

I've no skills on uploading images and clips to youtube, but we have the audio nearly sorted. We can use some of Jazza's text for the image - maybe added with some pics of the members from 99-01.

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Try using Windows Live Movie Maker Dominic. I've always found it very easy to use, you just need a series of photos on a slideshow with the music added on top and it's very easy to do.

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Thanks Eamonn! I was worried GN went on too long compared to the others. Wasn't sure if I should include stuff like MBMD which had a proper physical release. SteveAW, I'm on a Mac which may complicate matters, or make them easier...?

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Eek, don't ask me then sorry.

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I use videopad but am not sure if you can get that for mac - doesn't it have a video editing software already on it?

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Yes I think so, just never used it. I'll investigate.

I have a youtube account, will it be easy to upload?

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Looking good. Le Roi Des Fourmis wasn't for WLL, though. It dates back to '93 or similar!

You can embed links into youtube vids these days can't you? Might be worth trying that too (to the wiki) if you can work out how! :)

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Job's a good'un. Surprised you didn't throw in a bit of the old Fredthe3rd humour though!

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Humour? 'Violent Sexual Imagery' more like!

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Slide show humour is a tricky path to navigate. Unless you're Dave Gorman.

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It ain't there yet, but it will be:

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=fredthe3rd1&view=videos



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VoxPop wrote:

one thing that might help is a proper stand alone link for the petition, rather than a page on the wiki site. I personally feel that having the link on the wiki feels like its just a bunch of fans trying to get songs released biggrin, whereas a new link would feel more professional. The new link could always lead people back to the wiki to 'learn more about PULP'.

Facebook page, and twitter would work too.


 Just throwing in my 2 cents that I like the idea of a Facebook page as well.  People who are too lazy to click the link to the petition might be willing to at least like a page on Facebook (or click "like" because their friend did).  Also, not sure how it is in the UK but US companies looooove looking at Facebook stats.



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BOOM!

39 seconds in... yeah?

It's ok, you don't need to say I'm a genius... we all know it's true.






-- Edited by fredthe3rd on Thursday 26th of April 2012 01:02:55 PM

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I posted the video last night and it said it would take a few minutes to several hours before it appeared on the site. I thought it would have appeared by now! I was thinking of tweaking the video but that's not an option if it takes so long to upload.

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Someone else will have to set up Facebook and twitter stuff. I wouldn't know where to begin.

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Fred, with the video containing copyrighted material there's a chance it mightn't appear at all I'm afraid. Hope that's not the case, though!

I've created Facebook events, but never a group before, so can't really help there I'm afraid.

ONE DAY TO GO THOUGH!!!!

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And cutcopy mentioned emailing drowned in sound etc, can someone do that?

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I was going to email God is in the TV Zine. I have a contact there. Dunno about Drowned in Sound. I worry that one day before the event is getting too close to get these things 'published'. Maybe put it back by a week?

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The whole shebang?

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Well, if you want to make webzine editors aware of it and give them time to find somewhere to publish it, I think we'd need more than 24 hours between now and 'the day'!

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Well I would never have thought of webzines, is it something they'd be interested in?

The whole things expanded from the initial idea of posting on a few forums, but the bigger the better I suppose....

What do you think?

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Well, I think a webzine such as God is in the TV Zine (where the editor is a big Pulp fan) would run the story as a story - i.e. would happily link to the petition, but I don't really know the make up of any other webzines.

I went to a party many years ago which the editor attended. I have compromising photos. Thus I tend to get to plug things I want to :)

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Ok, next Friday, hope everyone's alright with that.

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Stephen wrote:

Well, I think a webzine such as God is in the TV Zine (where the editor is a big Pulp fan) would run the story as a story - i.e. would happily link to the petition, but I don't really know the make up of any other webzines.

I went to a party many years ago which the editor attended. I have compromising photos. Thus I tend to get to plug things I want to :)


 Could just go straight to the top, the NME are always very Pulp-friendly, e.g. one of their "interesting" lists recently:

http://www.nme.com/blog/index.php?blog=61&title=the_most_memorable_non_hologram_moments__2012&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1



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Clever, very clever. I liked that very much. However, you must try and remove Les Roi de Fourmis from the list and what about including the url of this board in your vid as well. Maybe you could delete the Fourmis slide and replace it later with a Bar Italia url one?

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Why do I need to remove it? Was it released?

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It was released yes, but more importantly it dates from the '92/'93 period and was recorded as Pulp's contribution to a Michel Polnareff tribute album.

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D'oh!

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I did tell you!

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Oh, so you did! How'd I miss that? I don't know how to embed links but I'll find out how. And wondering if I should have pictures of the albums rather than their names?

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I like the video Fred! nice one

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So happy this is happening. I'm going to spread some word myself. I tried to start #welovelife on twitter earlier but to no avail naturally haha. I do think such a topic would trend though, despite if people thought it meant something else.

Going to spread the promotional video over a few forums now. Perhaps the stone roses/blur and any other bands that were around at the same time as pulp forums would be good calls too, I know a few have pulp threads.


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Thanks! You inspired me!

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Targets: Youtube comments, link the WLL Petition video to other videos as a related video or a response video, Radio Text-ins, Related band forums, Facebook, Myspace, flyers, contact with ANYTHING related to all Pulp members.

I may be going over the top here, but screw it, I've been thinking about this all day at work!

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legohairjordan wrote:

I may be going over the top here, but screw it, I've been thinking about this all day at work!


 Not at all, the more exposure the better with this sort of thing.

 

Just posting in a couple of forums aint gonna work if this is serious!



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That's brilliant Lego! How about #PulpLoveLife? And we put some sort of pass it on message in the forum posts? Then we might end up on hundreds of forums potentially. Does anyone dare post on a Smiths forum?

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There's the Morrisey one that's full of Jarvis solo bootlegs, I found one night on a random google search.

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