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Some nice pictures on Gigwise: http://www.gigwise.com/photos/71923/1/Pulp-rumoured-to-be-announcing-UK-tour

 A lot of those pictures look like they were from Brixton



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Yes it morphs into Brixton , but there's a couple of nice ones.

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Well I've paid for tickets, hotel and transport for this but if they don't open the set with My Lighthouse I for one will be storming out...

 Ok I admit, I let them off with not opening with it and stayed to hear it later on!

My personal highlight was hearing 'Like a Friend' live. Another fantastic gig though.



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Well I've paid for tickets, hotel and transport for this but if they don't open the set with My Lighthouse I for one will be storming out...

 Ok I admit, I let them off with not opening with it and stayed to hear it later on!

My personal highlight was hearing 'Like a Friend' live. Another fantastic gig though.

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Can't believe you were non-plussed by My Lighthouse, ArrGee. Even if the early stuff leaves you cold (understandably to a point), surely you can't have but got goosebumps when the opening chords rang out?!

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Jarvis did tell one porkie tho... he said that 'Bird in Your Garden' hadn't been playe0 din roughly ten years, but it was played in Melbourne (I know, as it's the onyl other Pulp gig I've been to !!)

 

Not according to this..? http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pulp/2011/festival-hall-melbourne-australia-bd0a1ce.html

Also, I have a bootleg of that gig, Birds In Your Garden definitely isn't played, nor is it, according to setlist.fm, played at any of the other gigs on the Australian tour. I remember someone saying it was played during soundcheck, but that doesn't really count- it still hadn't been performed live in 10 years before the other night.

 I could have sworn they did. I must have been more drunk than I thought!! I stand corrected!



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Someone (cutcopy?) in their review of the Melbourne gig mentioned that they had heard 'Birds...' and I think Sylvia, at the soundcheck. I think the '98 live versions of Sylvia are great, it would be interesting to hear it now. Webbo could really rawk out with that solo

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yes at the Melbourne gig whilst we were standing outside in the afternoon, we could hear them soundchecking Birds in your Garden, Sylvia and Glory Days... glorious stuff!

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He's got the potential to be great. I just think Jarvis lionises Hawley too much at Mark's expense.

 Maybe not a good example but this the way I see it:

The Beatles had George Harrison. Now imagine John Lennon got Jimi Hendrix to tour and record with them.  Then onstage and in the press, John constantly gushes over him. You'd feel a bit hard done by wouldn't you.

Especially if Jimi then released a solo album that acknowledged every member of the band apart from George. cry

Now I have every respect for Richard Hawley. But I think everyone knows my feelings for Mark on this board.



-- Edited by SarahAWilson on Tuesday 3rd of April 2012 12:06:12 PM



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Speaking of Webber and the solos, I really loved that he was playing a slightly different solo during Sunrise. I think stuff like that helps keep things fresh...

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I also love the fact that Richard Hawley - one of the greatest guitarists of his, or any, generation - plays as the back-up guitarist to Mark Webber who, while he is good, is hardly one of the greats.

At least Russell, with his limited skills, was iconic!

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I just think that Mark is a good guitarist. Lots of people are, but they lack the unique quality to make them into truly brilliant one. It's like many people can be really great cooks...but only a few can be chefs.

I think that Russell, due to his lack of training or proficiency at the guitar (he's not brilliant and often plagirises himself) just comes across as much more interesting due to not having a template to stick to. Mark's influences are well known and obvious in his playing. Russell's less so.

That said, it is lovely to watch Mark when 'off the leash' when he starts strutting around and acting like a rock star.

However, the short-sleeved white shirt and black trousers look really did resonate with the whole "She told me that her Dad was loaded, I asked her if she'd consider investing in a fixed rate ISA" schtick.

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Jesus Christ! What someone wears onstage is just aesthetics. Since when were Pulp fans worried about aesthetics?! It's the music that's important. I think Mark looks really smart. He's wearing what he's comfortable in and shouldn't get critisisedfor that.

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"You know the score - ten blokes...in short-sleeved white shirts telling you that you're the weirdo. Fear not brothers and sisters - we shall prevail. Live on."


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Yeah, but do townies/chavs wear suit trousers? Or glasses for that matter. And could you imagine Mark delibrately getting into a fight with someone? Well could you?

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What's your argument Stephen? Is he a bank manager or a geezer? Make your mind up.

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Bankers often are 'geezers' aren't they? Shortly cropped hair, paunches, expensive but ill-fitting suits...loud and abrasive? Large parts of the private sector (anything relating to financial/insurance issues or sales led firms) generally do tend to be over-run with 'geezers in suits'.

Sarah, one of the things that appealed to me about Pulp was their dress sense. From Jarvis' outlandish garb, Candida's lovely outfits (much more lovely these days) and Russell's well fitted, crisp and austere suits. There is a charm that Mark did used to have when he was younger, fresh faced and wearing nail varnish, but glasses, short-sleeve white shirts, suit trousers and a middle aged paunch are not a good image!

I do think some of the charm still remains when he trots out from behind his pedals, though. And he *is* a good guitarist!

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Doesn't everyone's dress sense 'mellow' as you get older? Even Jarvis is hardly outlandish anymore. He's been sporting that 'geography teacher's suit' look for some years now! There's nothing wrong with it - it's just sensible. Anyhoo... Hasn't Nick been sporting this 'geezer' look for ... Well forever?!

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Nick has, yes. Bad Nick.

I think that was one of the things appealing about the Russell gigs last year. Even when most of the band were dressed more conservatively, Russell was determined to still look as odd as possible. White suits (and even a hat if I remember rightly?) all the way!

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Mark is 41. If he still dressed like he did when he was in his late 20's, I'd think there was something wrong. As for the glasses, a lot of people can't take to contact lenses.

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Sarah, I'm sure Stephen wasn't insulting Mark. But you can't deny that compared to Russell he looks more...vanilla. There's nothing wrong with that (and I enjoyed the variation in the Sunrise guitar solo) he just seems less distinctive - like you said that's normal for someone who's 41. To be honest I think Russell put everyone to shame last year - forever wearing his extravagant clothes

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Well put, Jazza! Yeah, I have nothing against Mark really, and he is fun to watch on stage, but he does lack that originality and creativity that Pulp at - to my mind - their pop peak of '91 - '93 really had.

And that's the Pulp I love!

I'm glad Russell put people to shame, although it really did look like a band with their crazy hire sideman, Russell. I liked the fact that his involvement was all clearly on his terms...

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Eamonn wrote:

Can't believe you were non-plussed by My Lighthouse, ArrGee. Even if the early stuff leaves you cold (understandably to a point), surely you can't have but got goosebumps when the opening chords rang out?!

Whilst I appreciated I was there for a song played live for the first time in nearly 30 years, I would have prefered almost anything from Separations onwards (well maybe not Death II).

Hearing Birds In Your Garden was more moving and emotional for me, but for quite personal reasons.



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'not' Death II? Disliking My Lighthouse? T'ch, you're two days late for these April Fool's, y'know...!

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Stephen wrote:

'not' Death II? Disliking My Lighthouse? T'ch, you're two days late for these April Fool's, y'know...!

 I have never really found much in the Pulp back catalogue pre-Mackey/Banks of any real interest.  To me, it's two or three other bands, none of which I would have liked had I heard them at the time.  I have the three CDs but rarely listen to them.  Maybe there are a few tracks that are OK, but Death II apart, I think everything with Mackey and Banks on board is vastly superior.  



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