Would Pulp support (another) blur US Tour?

ArrGee

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Eamonn wrote: andy you make some interesting points but generallly speaking I think it's what music you're into in that period of your life when you're in your teens and early 20's that defines your tastes for years after. There will be plenty of 20 year olds now that in twenty years time will talk of Arcade Fire and the Arctic Monkeys as ''life changing'' like you do about Pulp and Oasis. mmm, I was in my late 20s when I discovered Pulp whose music was the most life changing for me. Late developer I guess! The more interesting point is how much music matters these days. It seems less so in terms of recordings, but the amount people spend on going to live shows suggests it does. In 1990, a Glastonbury ticket cost £40, last year it was over £200. In 1994 it cost me less than a tenner to see Pulp at the Theatre Royal, and on Wednesday I spent nearly £60 to see them at the Albert Hall. I just wish my wages had increased five fold in that period... So it does seem that music does matter, but possibly not in the record collecting obsessive way it did twenty years ago. __________________

andy

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Eamonn, I wasnt even born when the beatles were making music, and they are part of that life changing music i'm talking about. Same for Big Star, David Bowie...etc. It's not about being a teen back then, it's coz the music and the era was good. I was in my early 20s in the 2000s and already felt the music at that time wasn't as intense as it was only a few years before, though it was my generation. Is music still that special thing as it once was ? I'm just asking, not saying. But i get your point. I hope it's like that for teenagers now, i really do. Coz it had a huge impact on me. Ive had talks about it with people that are 20/25 and they don't seem to have what i had, even though they are deeply into music. It's more like, "hey that's good, but what's next ?", if you get what i'm saying. ArrGee you're right, gigs are more important nowadays, though it seems (again, i could be wrong!), it's more of a night out like going to a club of a restaurant for some people. Remember that debate we had about those annoying people not listening to the band at gigs lately. __________________

saw119

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I still find music from 20,30,40 or even more years ago just as intense as it ever was. If new msuic isn't doing it for you it doesn't matter. Every time I hear O.U. I am instantly transported, even things I would now cringe at, like Jesus Jones or PWEI, but were very important to me in the early 90's have an emotional resonance far beyond any kind of explication. I've become adjusted to my lack of interest in much contemporary music having, for a long time, been worried that I wasn't being 'Hip' enough. Music was such an explosive, visceral force when I was a teenager, but is that because of the music or is it because of the age I was at? Soemthing to ponder on. __________________ Where Pigeons go to die.

Eamonn

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saw I think it's primarily the latter. Memories to music and what you were listening to at a particular point in your life can spark incredibly powerful images in the mind. andy I don't mean that when you are younger that the music of that time necessarily has a profound impact on you, rather that any music you fall in love with during your formative years will influence your listening habits afterwards. Like you, the artists I fell in love with as a teenager (Pulp, Dexys, Madness etc.) were either deeply unfashionable or inactive at that time but they were a key part of my growing-up (a ''visceral force'' as saw describes it) and so will always hold a special place for me. __________________ Tell mester to fck off!*

Jean

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Has music ever meant a lot to most people though? There might be something in that theory of memory formation, Eamonn. Pulp and David Bowie for me and the two of them happened during formative years. Pulp when I was 9 and that was me for my childhood and teenage years (and of course I carry the love on into my adult years) and seeing them again was in 2011 was an emotional tornado of memories in a way. The soundtrack to my life. Bowie when I was 18 and starting university so it was like a new chapter in my life with Bowie. The Actor as he is sometimes known. I felt his notion of who can I be now? (as the song goes) and his role playing of characters fitted in with what was going on in my personal life as I had hated school and was so looking forward to creating a new persona, a new me, for starting university where I wouldnt be shy and nobody there would have known who I was before at school so it was a whole fresh start. Thus, whenever I put on Ziggy its a warm July day and Im 18 and full of euphoria for a new life even if Im listening to it in December when its snowing and Im a lot older and lost some of that euphoria. Same thing when I listen to DC right the way through, Im thinking of being a child, simpler times, primary school, even though it was out later that year it reminds me of the scorching summer of 1995. Davids Last Summer reminds me of the older uns sitting by the canal in the summer drinking cider perhaps pretending they were somewhere foreign. I know I often did while sitting there drinking coke. Ive never replicated the high these two give me. Pulp for reality, Bowie for escapism. Friends for life, methinks. But you never know, maybe someone life changing will come along next week Maybe if you start 'a new career in a new town' you will develop a special connection with whoever you're listening to while you're in transition? Maybe it's just when something pertinent is going on in your life and it coincides with the music no matter what age you are. I dunno. __________________

TheImportance

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ArrGee wrote: Eamonn wrote: andy you make some interesting points but generallly speaking I think it's what music you're into in that period of your life when you're in your teens and early 20's that defines your tastes for years after. There will be plenty of 20 year olds now that in twenty years time will talk of Arcade Fire and the Arctic Monkeys as ''life changing'' like you do about Pulp and Oasis. mmm, I was in my late 20s when I discovered Pulp whose music was the most life changing for me. Late developer I guess! The more interesting point is how much music matters these days. It seems less so in terms of recordings, but the amount people spend on going to live shows suggests it does. In 1990, a Glastonbury ticket cost £40, last year it was over £200. In 1994 it cost me less than a tenner to see Pulp at the Theatre Royal, and on Wednesday I spent nearly £60 to see them at the Albert Hall. I just wish my wages had increased five fold in that period... So it does seem that music does matter, but possibly not in the record collecting obsessive way it did twenty years ago. A lot of it has to do with record sales being down. If they can't make money on albums, cos no one is buying them, then raise the concert prices. Gotta make money somehow, I suppose. Plus it's all about supply and demand and all that. Plenty of people are willing to pay that much money to go to Glasto and see Pulp, so the prices will be like that. If there wasn't a lot of interest, prices would be lower. __________________