Surely they could co-headline?

Sorry Eamonn, quite enjoying the hypotheticals here!

VoxPop, I know Song 2 was massive at the time, but surely it's more of a novelty hit?

Also, in Blur's defence, plenty of songs start out with a drum beat, I don't really think we can accuse Blur of nicking it from Pulp.
Songs that start out that way have existed from at least the 60's, I'm sure. And Sunday Sunday has more of a jaunty, almost shuffly feel than the (wonderfully) awkward & jutting Love Is Blind.
Pushed, I'd have to choose Love Is Blind as the better song, but they aren't two songs I'd've even thought to compare without reading this thread!

It's probably a coincidence, like a lot of other in the history of music.

Plus Modern Life is Rubbish was recorded between 91 and early 93. So there's a definite possibility that Sunday Sunday was recorded even before Separations was released. There's also a possibility they heard the track as well, but Damon isn't the kinda guy who rips off contemporary artists. there's an obvious ripp off on their 97 self titled, but it's lifted from an old bowie's song.

Did Blur even listen to that record in 92 ? Or mention Pulp in interviews back then ?

Well if they toured together back then there's no denying they nicked it. Just the drum beat yes, as the rest if completly different

Here is the song i was refering too, it's M.O.R and yes the song nicked is Boys Keep Swinging

http://www.whosampled.com/sample/view/51000/Blur-M.O.R._David%20Bowie-Boys%20Keep%20Swinging/

Well i disagree, i dont really like english music nowadays, US bands emerging are much more interesting... England's struggling to find something new. (Or what bands do you think of ?)

Bring back the grey haired dudes with the good tunes.

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Well i disagree, i dont really like english music nowadays, US bands emerging are much more interesting... England's struggling to find something new. (Or what bands do you think of ?)

Bring back the grey haired dudes with the good tunes.

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 I didn't say they had to be English.  I like a number of US bands at the moment.  Foster The People, Black Keys and Real Estate come to mind, but Band of Skulls sound promising, and The xx will be returning at some point.  I'd just like some new exciting bands.  Seems to have been a good few years since Arctic Monkeys, Arcade Fire et al broke through.

Yeah, that is mentioned in John Harris' book (which gives warts and all accounts on practically all of Pulp's britpopping contemporaries but not much on Pulp, though that may have been down to their slight removal from the whole thing). Alex James (who else?!) talked about Bernard housesitting for Albarn and Frischmann when they went on holiday and rifling through Blur demos to nick ideas. Suede's first album would indicate not. I think Bernard was far more interested in listening to Johnny Marr than Graham Coxon.

As a slight aside, one thing that Harris arguably got spot-on in that book was his assertion at the end that Albarn was the movement's star talent and innovator. At the time (circa 2003) I would have said not and personally I think he is hit and miss. But after the book was written Albarn was hugely successful with Gorillaz' second album, did the Mali music and Good, Bad and The Queen things aswell as writing a music opera among sundry other interesting things. If Jarvis wasn't so lazy he could probably have given him a better run for his money over the past decade!

Here is a Spotify playlist of decent British music released in the last 12 months (nicked from Drowned in Sound)

http://open.spotify.com/user/seaninsound/playlist/71GOfxniSOR4iQ8B84hNSE

James Blake Measurements
SBTRKT Wildfire (feat. Little Dragon)
Nicola Roberts Beat Of My Drum
Katy B Katy On A Mission
Teeth See Spaces
Rustie Surph
Wild Beasts Two Dancers (ii) - Jon Hopkins Remix
Zomby/Reark Natalias Song
Stay+ Fever - Fever
Friendly Fires Hawaiian Air
Mogwai Mexican Grand Prix
Tom Vek Seizemic
Django Django Default
Errors Pleasure Palaces
Metronomy The Look
Kate Bush Wild Man
Burial Street Halo
Blanck Mass Chernobyl
Forest Swords Rattling Cage
Gil Scott-Heron & Jamie xx Im New Here
This Will Destroy Us Black Dunes (Holy Others Woman in the Dunes Mix)
Luke Abbott A Caucus Race
PJ Harvey The Words That Maketh Murder
Bill Wells The Copper Top
Emmy The Great Trellick Tower
Laura Marling The Beast
Slow Club Never Look Back
Lanterns on the Lake Lungs Quicken
Veronica Falls Misery
WU LYF L Y F
Radiohead Lotus Flower
The Twilight Sad Sick
Hey Sholay The Bears The Clocks The Bees
The Maccabees Pelican
The Kills Nail In My Coffin
The Horrors Dive In
Factory Floor (R E A L L O V E)
93MillionMilesFromTheSun Before You Leave
Yuck Get Away
Mazes Go Betweens
Frightened Rabbit Swim Until You Can't See Land


If you constantly think of British music as "not as good as the 90s" or whatever, you're always going to be disappointed. But the 90s happened, music like Pulp, Blur and Suede happened- we don't really need that to happen again. Great pop songs can still be written, they just sound a little different. You should definitely give the stuff on that playlist a chance.

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Is there any evidence to support the Steve/Alex love triangle or is this just tabloid fodder? All news to me. I thought Steve had been with Katie Grand, the fashion journalist since Different Class-era? He seemed too mild-mannered to me to be 'shagging other bloke's birds.' (in my best cockney accent)

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the only 'evidence' i've seen is a quote from Alex in some book about britpop where he says a lot about how "snidey" pulp were. Steve's been with Katie for at least 14 years but I don't know what time period Alex James was explicitly referring to when he accused Steve of having sex with his girlfriend 

Albarn sounded out of breath. Vocally those songs have a lot of energy in them, a lot easier when you're in your mid-20's rather than early-40's I guess.

His speech went on a bit didn't it?!
And poor Adele being cut-off by Corden...are ITV that restricted by advertising rules that they couldn't let it run on for an extra few minutes?

Did they carry on playing on ITV2 then?

calumlynn wrote:

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Here is a Spotify playlist of decent British music released in the last 12 months (nicked from Drowned in Sound)

http://open.spotify.com/user/seaninsound/playlist/71GOfxniSOR4iQ8B84hNSE

James Blake Measurements
SBTRKT Wildfire (feat. Little Dragon)
Nicola Roberts Beat Of My Drum
Katy B Katy On A Mission
Teeth See Spaces
Rustie Surph
Wild Beasts Two Dancers (ii) - Jon Hopkins Remix
Zomby/Reark Natalias Song
Stay+ Fever - Fever
Friendly Fires Hawaiian Air
Mogwai Mexican Grand Prix
Tom Vek Seizemic
Django Django Default
Errors Pleasure Palaces
Metronomy The Look
Kate Bush Wild Man
Burial Street Halo
Blanck Mass Chernobyl
Forest Swords Rattling Cage
Gil Scott-Heron & Jamie xx Im New Here
This Will Destroy Us Black Dunes (Holy Others Woman in the Dunes Mix)
Luke Abbott A Caucus Race
PJ Harvey The Words That Maketh Murder
Bill Wells The Copper Top
Emmy The Great Trellick Tower
Laura Marling The Beast
Slow Club Never Look Back
Lanterns on the Lake Lungs Quicken
Veronica Falls Misery
WU LYF L Y F
Radiohead Lotus Flower
The Twilight Sad Sick
Hey Sholay The Bears The Clocks The Bees
The Maccabees Pelican
The Kills Nail In My Coffin
The Horrors Dive In
Factory Floor (R E A L L O V E)
93MillionMilesFromTheSun Before You Leave
Yuck Get Away
Mazes Go Betweens
Frightened Rabbit Swim Until You Can't See Land


If you constantly think of British music as "not as good as the 90s" or whatever, you're always going to be disappointed. But the 90s happened, music like Pulp, Blur and Suede happened- we don't really need that to happen again. Great pop songs can still be written, they just sound a little different. You should definitely give the stuff on that playlist a chance.

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Well i know most of those bands and they dont really do anything for me.

There's nothing wrong with thinking a decade is better than others. The 60s were amazing, the 70s ok, the 80s shit bar a few bands, the 90s amazing, the 00s okay and the 10s are okay at best so far.

There's nothing wrong with dont liking the sound of these bands, it's always subjective, but that's how music is, you feel it or you dont. I know 70% of the bands in your playlist and they dont do anything for me, what can i do about it. 

Plus, those "old britpop bands" are coming back with new material, they're not recreating the past, they belong to that era, it's not because they are in their 40s that they should be considered old news.

-- Edited by andy on Wednesday 22nd of February 2012 08:43:00 AM