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If something is remastered and you're paying money for something you already own, you want it to be better than the one you bought first and you want it done right.

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You're obviously not an audiophile

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I think fred/Dominic has already admitted to having two left ears when it comes to listening.

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I can appreciate a good bit of stereo. Feelingcalledlove probably the most obvious example. But supposing you heard a song for the first time and the stereo was the wrong way round: would you be able to tell? I'm genuinely curious. I agree they should have done it as originally recorded none-the-less.

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I agree with Fred/ Dominic - just because you have got used to having the channels that way round, doesn't mean it's 'right', and I'm not too fussed that they have changed as I will similarly get used to having them this way round - just sightly annoyed that fire have messed up again...

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I tell you something regarding the reissues - I love the alternate version of Blue Girls - far more of a natural sound to the song.

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The one situation I can think of where you'd perhaps notice if the left and right channels were switched in a recording (and this is a real drum geek's thing) would be if the drums were panned in a way that was converse to the way they would normally be set up - ie if there's a roll across the kit, it starts with the snare on the left and finishes with the floor tom on the right. Unless it's a left handed drummer of course!

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I was with you there. I was thinking "oh there is a genuine reason for the L and R on headphones", then you mentioned left-handed drummers and shattered the argument.

I can imagine if you were listening to an audiobook or a radio play there might be occasions when it made the difference...

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I think that the placement of the stereo channels does matter.

As mentioned previously, a drum kit is normally spread across the stereo field as if it is set up in front of you, with the toms spread high to low, from left to right. Granted, that's if you are a right handed drummer, but flowing left to right seems more natural to the ears anyway. My band has a left-handed drummer but he still plays drums set-up and stereo panned in the right-handed way, because he feels it sounds better.

Pianos are also something that I feel have to be panned across the stereo field in the correct way, again because it should represent the instrument as it sounds it you were sitting in front of it, playing yourself. The piano sound spread across the stereo field has more resonance of the low notes on the left and the high notes on the right. It just seems to make sense to the brain for it to be that way around - well, for me anyway...



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The Sunday Times today gave a nice write-up of Separations in the ''Must-have Reissue'' in their music section. For those who don't believe in Gita or Rupert here is the review:



Most of us know the second half of the Pulp story, including their success in the Britpop years and Jarvis Cocker's rapid disenchantment with fame. For those who may be less aware of the lengthy back story of the band, Fire have just reissued their first three albums. It (1983) and Freaks (1987) are probably best left to the committed completists, but 1992's Separations is recognisably the work of the Pulp we know and love. It kicks off brilliantly with Love Is Blind - Jarvis doing Iggy doing China Girl - before exploring the Scott Walker side of Cocker's sensibility. Then everything changes again, with house beats, squelchy bass lines, staccato synths and even wah-wah guitars. It's obvious that we're at the start of something big.



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Found a copy of "Separations" on vinyl today. Interestingly enough, it is the only one of the three reissues where the bonus tracks aren't included on the record itself, but instead comes with a download code to get the bonus tracks online.

I guess "It" was short enough to fit the bonus tracks on and, for some reason, they were prepared to go the whole hog and make a double vinyl edition for "Freaks". A 7" EP included with the "Separations" vinyl would have been nice maybe...? Ah well.

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The only important thing not included on the vinyl is Death Comes To Town. Can anyone last through a whole listen of ...Goes To The Disco, Is This House? and extended Countdown more than once?!

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Hmm...I quite like all of those actually...all except for "Is This House?" which is really tedious. Maybe I am in the minority?

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Although do I remember someone saying that the track that is listed as "Is This House?" in fact the remix that is simply titled, confusingly enough, "This House Is Condemned" on the My Legendary Girlfriend single?

As if it even matters, of course!

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!!!

Absolutely adore "...Goes To The Disco" and "Countdown"

I still remember getting the Countdown comp back in Mar(?) '96 and listening to it far, far too much. Absolutely adored getting the full whack of Countdown time after time. As for 'Disco'...it's since been superseded by hearing the gorgeous original of 'Comes to Town', but for fifteen years or more this was the only version that I had, so it'll always be special.

The 'House is Condemned' remixes are, and always will be, horrible!

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Got to agree with what Stephen says here, the full version of Countdown is THE version in my eyes. And I liked Death Goes To The Disco. Only just heard Death Comes To Town last week and love it

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Must be just me then!

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Sorry to bump, but is it just me or is Separations mixed so that's a tad on the quiet side?

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You need to turn that big knob marked Vol. to the right.

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I have done so, but it seems quiet compared to other songs

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rawrsomesauce wrote:

Sorry to bump, but is it just me or is Separations mixed so that's a tad on the quiet side?


 I agree, it is a little on the quiet side but nowehere near as quiet as the original CD. That redefines quiet!



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