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Jarvis said he was happy the last tour wasn't too much announced in the press with too many interviews. Maybe there's elements in it about future plans. The fact that the interview is being held till february is definitely weird, something's cooking.

Again it makes no sense to do god knows how many gigs in 2011 then come back for a few more (2 or 3... in the US) in spring 2012... come on, this is just a weird plan. Given how many people are involved (roadies, tour manager and crew...) it has to be something bigger. It's not like they're travelling in a van with acoustic guitars only. I think nothing was planned at first but the response was good, they felt people still wanted them.

I could be wrong, but i can feel it in my guts.

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In that Rhubarb blog he says:

"It was the Jarvis of Deep Fried In Kelvin and Inside Susan honed down to a white hot razor of indignation and exasperation. The music was heavy, emotionally heavy. Most of their work had light and dark, moments of wit and sarcasm amongst the dissections of ordinary peoples lives, yet The Sisters EP was what I wanted; for them to push that darker side even further with no submissions, no backing out, no joke at the end to lighten the mood. That it was wrapped in a perfect pop package made it all the better. Genius."

Not sure if I've been listening to a different Sisters EP... I agree with him that its great but it does have humour and it's not all that heavy (especially if you listen to it after Masters...)

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I do find the Sisters EP quite lacking in humour. His 'n' Hers and Seconds are dark things lyrically, and Your Sister's Clothes is pretty dark musically, too.

There's all sorts of things going on in His 'n' Hers that I could only hazard a guess at, and that buzz-saw guitar churning through it makes it sound utterly depraved.

Seconds has no sympathy at all for the couple who, like many Pulp fans, live in a world of seconds...

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the fact it's not coming out till feb means there's an embargo... i know it sounds wanky but so much stuff comes through to me and my colleagues saying ' embargoed till whenever etc'

most of the stuff that comes to me and my colleagues is shit, obviously..

anyway, he's got an interview on the promise of him not printing anything. i know it's a fanzine and it's not like anyone will stop advertising with the 'company' for printing early but as he's a fan he's clearly promised (or is he a she, i can't remember)

this bleathering post is trying to say.... big news to come i think

but i've been out on a department lunch so guess what i'm not sober. so feel free to ignore me



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this bleathering post is trying to say.... big news to come i think


 I concur (well you knew that already). I work in the media field too and if an interview is being held, means there's news in it. News about future project more than simply a couple of gigs.



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I dunno...reading the article it looked like he was willing to do the fanzine interview even before the reunion but the band's embargo on press meant he couldn't go through with it.
Russell has in the past taken a keen interest in fanzine culture, both in and before his Pulp days, so it would make sense if he only wants to give an interview to something low-key and non PR but full of passion. In other words it doesn't necessarily have to tie-in with Pulp-related news. But we'll see I suppose. Just don't want to get my hopes up for nowt.

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Wow, what's with all the Russell hate? As much as I admired the sort of John Cale-esque violin additions, he will always be Pulp's lead guitarist to me, and a great one at that. Frankly I think Mark was better at more ambient, experimental stuff (a la Hardcore) while Russell played filled the songs with really fluid solo-y riffs. (Babies, Lipgloss, Monday Morning) I love the song Sylvia for instance, but the solo is just dreadful. It just feels very stark. I don't think he was that difficult either, very strict with practice regimens and such in the early days, but I think part of the reason he left was because Jarvis (by his own admission) was turning into a nightmare. Remember the Tokyo tour dairy where he talks about Jarvis getting shit-faced, swearing at fans and having to be carted off onto the plane? I think Russell prefered the more lax days of a struggling indie band to stadium-playing rock stars.

Anyhoo, I think we're kind of kidding ourselves to imagine a Pulp without Russell OR Mark. I've said before that Different Class was inarguably their best album (maybe not neccessarily everyone favorite, but decidely the one that best represents their sound, talents, has nearly no bad songs, etc) because it drew on the strengths of BOTH Mark and Russell. Put together with Nick, Candida and Steve, Jarvis' songs were flawlessly brought to life. TIH was great, but definitely lacked a certain something. WLL is still kind of, meh, to me. Though I've always strangely like Last Day of the Miners Strike, ironically.

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Holden wrote:

Wow, what's with all the Russell hate? 


 

There is none.

I think most people on here love him, just some more than others.



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Well I wrote to that lass who played the kazoo on "jarvis's new record".........and she didnt reply...........maybe there is something brewing?

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The kazoo is probably on another album of bird sounds he's done for the National Trust or summat.

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Eamonn wrote:

The kazoo is probably on another album of bird sounds he's done for the National Trust or summat.


 yeah can't imagine it being on a pulp job...

 

but anyway further to my bleathering post (will try not to bleather) why would the fanzine guy not put it out before february, if he'd not been asked to?  does he have a fanzine out before then?

 

i know monthlies have long lead times.... but not fanzines.

 

i'll stop now



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I dont think anyone hate Russell. I love the guy and his stage presence.



So i did my Sherlock a little: here's what i found
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http://www.myspace.com/yorkshiremusiccollective/blog/527097115

YMC: How often will it be coming out?

The aim is every three months, one for each season of the year. This is something we know we can manage without flogging ourselves to death trying to keep up with the workload. We'd like to go for it more often, but we would need more contributors onboard I think to make this viable (so if you want to write for us, drop us a line!)

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If their last issue was in the fall (september / october) then it makes sense the next one is in february. Slightly less good news then. But the fact the Russell pushed back the interview for almost a year is weird. It could also fall in the category of the "no interview" strategy. They seem to post inteviews from their fanzine online too.

Theories:
- Pulp will be no more after their gigs next year, and Russell explains why
- Russell explains why he took part in the 2011 gigs and didnt go on with the reunion in 2012 (why is he not at the private gig)
- Russell talks about the reunion and future plans (album... etc)

I'd say there's still strong hope though:
- private gig,
- rumored tour next spring,
- Fire releases pushed back in february with 2 albums added though it was written few weeks ago on their website the releases of Freaks and Separations would be delayed in mid-late 2012 (Band request to make room for a new pulp record ?)
- girl talking about Jarvis recording...

too many "news" for a band that's only planning a couple of gigs i'd say.

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andy wrote:

Jarvis said he was happy the last tour wasn't too much announced in the press with too many interviews. Maybe there's elements in it about future plans. The fact that the interview is being held till february is definitely weird, something's cooking.

Again it makes no sense to do god knows how many gigs in 2011 then come back for a few more (2 or 3... in the US) in spring 2012... come on, this is just a weird plan. Given how many people are involved (roadies, tour manager and crew...) it has to be something bigger. It's not like they're travelling in a van with acoustic guitars only. I think nothing was planned at first but the response was good, they felt people still wanted them.

I could be wrong, but i can feel it in my guts.


Do you really think that if they were just doing a few gigs in the spring that they would be in the US? Want it so much, but I am extremely doubtful :(



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Do you really think that if they were just doing a few gigs in the spring that they would be in the US? Want it so much, but I am extremely doubtful :(


 

Well that's what is weird for me since the beginning. As i previously said, it cost too much to hire a full crew just for two gigs... in the US nonetheless, which is not really where their fan base is.

I had a contact with Jarvis solo label here i'll try and know though i doubt they'll tell me anything.



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Bort, I think you're just going to have to bite the bullet and pay for the air fare. You can start saving now!

Having seen Pulp's stageshow I can state that, with quite some confidence, it would cost one hell of a lot of money to get it out to the States. They'd have to play a hell of a lot of gigs to even begin to recoup the cost of travelling out there.

It ain't gonna happen!

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andy wrote:

I dont think anyone hate Russell. I love the guy and his stage presence.



So i did my Sherlock a little: here's what i found
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http://www.myspace.com/yorkshiremusiccollective/blog/527097115

YMC: How often will it be coming out?


 sorry!  when i think fanzines i think of all the ones that would grace your record shop counter in the 80s and 90s, all black and white photocopies and bad desk top publishing haha, this one must be more sophisticated!

 



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Stephen wrote:

Bort, I think you're just going to have to bite the bullet and pay for the air fare. You can start saving now!

Having seen Pulp's stageshow I can state that, with quite some confidence, it would cost one hell of a lot of money to get it out to the States. They'd have to play a hell of a lot of gigs to even begin to recoup the cost of travelling out there.

It ain't gonna happen!


Yeah, it was a surprisingly big production. They did go to Australia, though, which has to be a costly, logistical headache. So if they could do just two fests and two gigs there, surely they can do the two Coachellas and a few other shows here, too (NY, SF, warmup in Pomona, etc).



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Pulp isnt on the rumored Coachella line up by the way

http://underthegunreview.net/2011/11/29/rumored-leaked-lineup-for-coachella-2012/

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Had a feeling that fanzine came out every few months at best so that makes sense for the Russell interview not to be released for a while. And if the interview is based on the making of the Sisters EP, there may be very little Russell-talk about the present/future of the group.

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andy wrote:

Pulp isnt on the rumored Coachella line up by the way

http://underthegunreview.net/2011/11/29/rumored-leaked-lineup-for-coachella-2012/


Hahahaha, oh man. Good thing that's just the laziest of journalism and not an actual scoop. Every year, fans make their own wishlist/prediction lineup posters and post them to the official board. Here are some that were out months ago:

http://consequenceofsound.net/2011/07/and-we-now-have-our-first-coachella-2012-fake-posters/

What makes this one so prevalent is someone actually tried to make his especially poorly made poster (wrong font, many serious billing issues, several acts have other announced gigs during these days such as the naked and famous who are listed as playing twice) a hoax instead of a silly diversion by emailing it to a few dodgy gossip sites claiming to be an insider until someone ran with it. In 2009, a week before the actual lineup, someone posted a random list of acts to the messageboard and Ryan Seacrest ran with it as a leak.



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The real question is: are they the kinda band to play there. Would it make sense. Pulp always made sense in their choice. I dont know what kinda crowd goes to that kinda festival, what is it like ?

(looking at a few pics on google: it'd be weird)



-- Edited by andy on Wednesday 14th of December 2011 07:36:00 PM

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Good question. In 2007, Jarvis Cocker played and was the 5th highest billed artist of the day, even higher than Sonic Youth and DJ Shadow, and there was 50 minutes of downtime scheduled on the main stage while he played the second. Had a big crowd, too. But the last two times the fest seemed to have a demographic shift, with a larger proportion of 12-18 year olds that only bought tickets (or sneaked in) for the trendy, indistinguishable synthpop acts and the cheesy, overblown DJ's.

Radiohead is a lock, and I imagine someone special will be playing before them, so it can at least come close to matching the craziness of having the Pixies play before them back in 2004.



-- Edited by Bort on Wednesday 14th of December 2011 08:05:58 PM

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lol
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-- Edited by Bort on Wednesday 14th of December 2011 09:03:26 PM

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Nice to see Mark in a sensible jumper there. His Mum would be proud.

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But....Mark always wears sensible jumpers. It's his little scarf that intrigues me.



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