Blimey, nice find. 9th October 1980 makes sense, especially as there was a gig at the George IV in Sheffield around that time that I never found any details for. It wasn't a new drummmer's first gig (although Jim Sellars had missed the one immediately before), but it was Jamie Pinchbeck's debut on bass!
The other alternative is 15th July 1981 as Pulp played at the Royal with the Flying Alphonsos that night. Depends whether there's a corresponding Bunnymen gig though.
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Blimey, nice find. 9th October 1980 makes sense, especially as there was a gig at the George IV in Sheffield around that time that I never found any details for. It wasn't a new drummmer's first gig (although Jim Sellars had missed the one immediately before), but it was Jamie Pinchbeck's debut on bass!
The other alternative is 15th July 1981 as Pulp played at the Royal with the Flying Alphonsos that night. Depends whether there's a corresponding Bunnymen gig though.
At first I thought it might be the 15th July 1981 gig, but looking at the rest of the fanzine, the other news and reviews are definitely all from October and early November 1980. So probably that George IV gig is the most likely.
This is the only other mention Pulp get (from the introduction on page 2):
It would be interesting to track down other Pink Flag issues (the 1981 ones particularly), there might well be more reviews or an interview.
Also, it would be interesting to find Russell Senior's Bath Banker Bouquet of Steel festival review. Have you seen that one Mark?
No I haven't, although I think it may be quoted in Beats Working for a Living by Martin Lilleker. I asked Russ years ago and he said he didn't have it, although after the Chesterfield tape who knows what lies in his loft!
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Will wrote:It would be interesting to track down other Pink Flag issues (the 1981 ones particularly), there might well be more reviews or an interview.
And on reflection, how annoying to discover now that in my student days, quite possibly my Pulp trainspotting zenith, there was archive gold right there under my nose and I didn't know about it!
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Do Warwick have some kind of Fanzine archive? That link leads to a list of all sorts of different fanzines. What is it? The department of Indie studies? If so, I think I might become an undergraduate again!
Do any copies of Bath Banker survive?
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That is a bit unexpected. Hopefully somebody will be able to have a look.
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Do any copies of Bath Banker survive?
I reckon there's a good chance some copies survive somewhere. As Mark pointed out, Martin Lilleker quotes some of Russell's Bath Banker Pulp review in his book, so he must have had access to a copy.
Reading the review and comparing different things there are a few inconsistancies aren't there. The reviewer mentions seeing them at the Limit towards the 'end of September'. Surely he is talking about the Bouquet of Steel show at the Leadmill in August? October 9th has to be the date for this show given the Bunnymen reference. So what venue do we think this show was at? The reference to 'just down the road' for the Bunnymen show could suggest the Hallamshire Hotel. Or am I being too literal as the reviewer has already made a couple of mistakes? Also, they must have started the show early if the reviewer still had time to catch the Bunnymen performing!
Reading the review and comparing different things there are a few inconsistancies aren't there. The reviewer mentions seeing them at the Limit towards the 'end of September'. Surely he is talking about the Bouquet of Steel show at the Leadmill in August? October 9th has to be the date for this show given the Bunnymen reference. So what venue do we think this show was at? The reference to 'just down the road' for the Bunnymen show could suggest the Hallamshire Hotel. Or am I being too literal as the reviewer has already made a couple of mistakes? Also, they must have started the show early if the reviewer still had time to catch the Bunnymen performing!
I'm unsure about the Limit reference. I'm not convinced it does refer to the Bouquet of Steel show. The review was probably written in October, and it seems questionable whether 'towards the end of September' would be confused with the middle of August. The Pink Flag writers (Gary Birchall and Pat Mackle) must have followed the local music scene pretty closely, so would they have got so many details wrong?
What's the likelihood that Pulp really did play a forgotten local bands gig at The Limit with a few hours notice? What do you think Mark?
It's possible! I did think the list of early gigs was pretty complete though, going by the memories of early members and old listings in the Sheffield Star, which is why I thought the George IV gig was a likely match. I've sent Jim Sellars a message about all this in case he has anything to add!
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Another couple of thoughts. Could the drummer issue that is mentioned in the review be a continuation of the Jimmy Sellars hand injury as mentioned on the 24th September 1980 show at the Royal? The review does seem to fit into a late September/early October timeframe. Also, which Royal pub did these shows take place at? I know there are several pubs called The Royal Hotel in Sheffield. I am presuming that the George IV pub is the one on Langsett Road, Hillsborough.
Thats the same pub I was thinking of. Was just double checking though that there weren't other pubs with that name in Sheffield in the early 80's. The building is now no longer a public house but flats, I think.
Ah Will, am glad the fanzine fell into the right hands!
One suggestion re: fanzines is to take the names of the editors of any West Yorkshire based ones from the early 1980s and attempt to find said people via facebook etc? Even if they don't have copies to trawl through themselves, they may well know people who do?
Just a thought.
My computer blew up taking (I think) my quite astounding collection of Pulp bootlegs with it. This made me very sad so I've not been here for a while. Hope you're all keeping well.
Just in case anyone is interested, a contact of mine on the Sheffield History forum has named the Royal Hotel on London rd/Abbeydale rd as also known as the Ritblat Tube.
Well, I can confirm (thanks to my spy at Warwick) that there's nothing in issues 5 or 8.
Thanks Mark, that's useful to know.
Talking of fanzines, I brought the copy of NMX 22 that appeared on eBay recently (thanks to Stephen for pointing it out). It contains an article about Pulp that not surprisingly also appears in the first Pulp Scrapbook. Plus, slightly more interestingly, three photos. These are rather spoilt by the very poor quality of the printing, but might still be of some interest. One of them appears in much better quality in Martin Lilleker's book. They're on the page below under 1981: http://www.pulpwiki.net/Pulp/Scrapbook1980-1983
One question for Sturdy (or anyone who knows) - who's in the photo below?
Thanks for the generosity, Will. These are the sort of things I'd like to buy, but it's just not really feasible! Glad they keep falling into the right hands...!
btw, I'm betting on that chap being Peter Dalton or Wayne Furniss based on looks rather than nosing through the chronology.
I think it might be Peter Dalton, but I'm not at all sure. Also, in the photo of the four of them standing on the wall, who's on the right - maybe Wayne Furniss?