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fredthe3rd wrote:

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Fingers crossed for the classic Peter Boom, Jarvis Cocker, Wayne Furniss, Beefy Garryo, David Hinkler, Simon Hinkler line up on the festival circuit next year.

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Wouldn't that be something...especially with 'It' being reissued in a couple of weeks.

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You can count me out of that one.  Only interested in line ups including Steve Mackey and Nick Banks.

Well, yeah. I don't think anyone would seriously expect it to happen.

The world is a better place with Pulp in it, no matter what. What separates them from "heritage acts" is they haven't fallen into phoning it in.

Most reunion tours last about 1-2 years, Pulp did less than four months. As far as I'm concerned, they have more then enough time and license to further explore and 'milk' the reunion. Why not? Hit some more countries (ahem, the States) and enjoy it. Bring joy to current fans as well as those who missed them the first time around. Yes, there does come a point where you have to move forward, I was pretty dissapointed with the Pixies playing the same songs year after year, as much as I love them, but I found nothing cynical, superficial or fiscally-driven about the reformation so far. So as far as new material is concerned, provided the original lineup is intact - I'm a purist, and feel that Jarvis himself wouldn't want to do it without Russell or Mark or something - I'd love for them to pursue it! Even if it failed, or paled in comparison with their prior works, isnt it immeasurably more admirable and rewarding to try rather than just give up? And I really doubt Pulp would ever release something phoned in or of really poor quality. If anything, having everyone back together and collaborating equally would result in something fantastic, even better than Jarvis' solo work.

While true about their mass popularity being for a short period (mid '95 to mid '96 while they were ''active'', though it was still cool to like them probably up until Help The Aged) Hits, despite its' dire sales initially, has actually gone on to sell over 100,000 copies over the years (albeit being heavily discounted in HMV sales).

saw119 wrote:

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Should they play shows just to please us? No,but how many times can they play the DC material without it becoming stale again and the neutral doesn't want to hear Anorexic Beauty.

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I think they should!  

I agree that doing the Different Class tour again would start to wear.  However,there is a whole spectrum of fans from Different Class to Anorexic Beauty and there is certainly a middle ground (even just considering His 'n' Hers and Hardcore) that someone with more neutral opinions of the group would find entertaining along with the hard core of fans.

There is definitely enough good material from Separations onwards (I don't believe anything prior to that will ever be aired) to vary the shows.  Every show probably has to have Common People, Disco 2000, Sorted, Babies and DYRTFT? but there is no reason why the other dozen or so songs in the set can't come from all the other albums and with a b-side or two chucked in for good measure.    With a set lists like that they would still sell out mid-size venues like Brixton and their regional equivalents.

 

fredthe3rd wrote:

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In an all boy's school aged 12 (Pulp at the height of their popularity) when I publicly came out as a Pulp fan, I can safely say it was never very cool to be a Pulp fan.

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 Ah, you went to the wrong school. 

I had long left school when they started to break through in 1993, but in more mature circles they were a cool act to like back then.   Apart from Suede and Nirvana, there wasn't much else to get too excited about.

http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/1993.html

ArrGee wrote:

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saw119 wrote:

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Should they play shows just to please us? No,but how many times can they play the DC material without it becoming stale again and the neutral doesn't want to hear Anorexic Beauty.

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I think they should!  

I agree that doing the Different Class tour again would start to wear.  However,there is a whole spectrum of fans from Different Class to Anorexic Beauty and there is certainly a middle ground (even just considering His 'n' Hers and Hardcore) that someone with more neutral opinions of the group would find entertaining along with the hard core of fans.

There is definitely enough good material from Separations onwards (I don't believe anything prior to that will ever be aired) to vary the shows.  Every show probably has to have Common People, Disco 2000, Sorted, Babies and DYRTFT? but there is no reason why the other dozen or so songs in the set can't come from all the other albums and with a b-side or two chucked in for good measure.    With a set lists like that they would still sell out mid-size venues like Brixton and their regional equivalents.

 

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 I've been confused recently by the type of crowd that is often attracted to gigs. All too often lately I've attended shows where I'm not entirely sure why some of the audience is there! I have found it intensely annoying when 'fans' talk all the way through lesser known songs and only cheer when a big hit is played. I guess that's why I'm unsure as to the nature of the setlists for future gigs. Can you imagine a neutral crowd turning up for a show and hearing Separations plus Common People + Disco 2000? I worry it would fall between two stools and please no one.

saw119 wrote:

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I've been confused recently by the type of crowd that is often attracted to gigs. All too often lately I've attended shows where I'm not entirely sure why some of the audience is there! I have found it intensely annoying when 'fans' talk all the way through lesser known songs and only cheer when a big hit is played.

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In recent years, I have been picky about the concerts I attend (probably do 4 at most in a year), so only really attend when I know the group's back catalogue quite thoroughly, but in the past, I'd happily go along to a gig because I'd heard a couple of songs on the radio by the act and quite liked them.

One of the good things about that approach was discovering band's full repertoire while having a night out.  In fact, seeing The Horrors at wireless led to me seeking out their albums.

At the Morrissey gig, I have to confess to chatting away through a fair amount of the set with my wife who was only there for the older stuff.  I really wasn't bothered about the old or new stuff.   Not sure we really disturbed anyone as everyone else was doing likewise.

I have noticed gigs aren't as loud these days, so it can be disturbing to those who want to listen.  Fortunately, I was at the front for the three gigs I have attended this year so I haven't noticed the chatting.

I once went on an coach trip down the east coast of America, there was a woman on the tour who experienced the entire holiday through a camera lens.

I question the common attitude regarding pop/rock music, that something must be no more than a few years old to be relevant. We don't have this attitude to other classical or jazz music, or literature, or art.

Point being, Pulp created music for the ages, and they shouldn't stop playing it just because they haven't got new material.

(of course, i wouldn't mind new material if they feel they've got it in them. but new jarvis material would be good too, if that's what he wants to do)