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I never thought I would ask this, or even think it, but, given what Jarvis said in Cheltenham about Pulp becoming a 'Heritage Act', is the reunion actually a bad thing? If they're not writing or working on new material its a creatively bankrupt enterprise isn't it? I think I would rather have a new Jarvis album next year rather than a couple of 'things' in the spring from Pulp which don't actually lead anywhere. What do you guys think?



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I think you have a point. One of the reasons I love Pulp is that they constantly changed. Every album was a progression from the last, and what guts they had in producing something like This Is Hardcore as the follow up to their biggest mainstream success. Since they split, though, this urgent creative force seems to have dissipated. My hope for these shows would be that they'd get the nostalgia out of the way and focus on making something new, something with some relevance in 2011, but if that was never on the cards, then yes, it's hard to see it as being not creatively bankrupt.
I've been out of the country and continent and haven't been able to get to any of the shows, maybe I'd feel differently if I had been able to go. But maybe not.

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Pulp have never done a fast album. Which might be a good thin they haven't. But eels recorded Shootenanny! In a week and it's not a bad album. Some peoples favourite of their albums. And completely different to their other albums. It would certainly solve the problem that I think Eamon mentioned on another thread that they probably wouldn't want to spend that long in a studio together to make an album. Also making an EP would solve the problem. I love a good EP.

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It's an interesting point.

I reckon if they were thinking about it, they would have announced something by now.

As much as I'd LOVE some new material, if their hearts not really in it then I'd much rather they didn't spoil their legacy by producing a half-arsed album.



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I just can't see them recording an EP and you could hardly call Pulp prolific. Seven albums in 30+ years (I'm not counting Intro) and 3 solo from Jarvis in 10 years (I am including Relaxed Muscle). Just as a comparison, not always helpful but sometimes instructive, Brett Anderson since the Suede split (2003) has recorded 5 albums (I am including The Tears) as well as being involved in a pretty full on Suede reunion(since 2010). Although, tellingly, he has started backtracking from the idea of a new Suede album. So, in conclusion, it's not very likely. Whatever the situation!

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Na, I never thought they'd record something new, and in a way, as exciting as it would be, I'm sort of glad. I wouldn't want it to be poor. I thought We Love Life was a pretty good end to their recorded career really. Shame Russell isn't on it though. As long as they do end it next Spring I think they've done the whole reformation thing well. The gigs this year were brilliant, well received by most fans and the critics, they haven't overstayed their welcome, they haven't been all over the media either. Obviously if they continued after that I think interest would soon wane. Although part of me would love to be able to see them forever and ever...

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my only reply is this; out of anyone who's been to one of the reunion shows, do YOU think this was a bad thing?

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Its not bad at all. Pulp have got something out of it and me as a fan has, got something out of it.

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No. It was a dream come true. I'd never thought I would see them live. But now I have and it's a very dear memory to me.

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Perfect wrote:

No. It was a dream come true. I'd never thought I would see them live. But now I have and it's a very dear memory to me.


Same here



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Certainly not a bad thing, but I am now hoping for some recorded material whereas I wasn't before.

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I would love to hear some new stuff, i guess we will have to wait and see. The thing with Pulp is that they always do the unexpected. I will be happy if they did a DVD of their summer shows with some rehearsal footage as well as some more home movies.

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As much as it pains me to say it, I think Jarvis is spot on about not wanting Pulp to become a heritage act. Better to go out as a bright star, than fade away into whimper when people eventually lose interest in the same thing over an over for evermore(ish). But better still would be to carry on and record some new material please.

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Does nobody want to see Pulp on tour with Status Quo?

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I would hate it if they become the 90s madness, filling up empty slots at festivals

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Yeah, the 'heritage act' thing...

Remember the synopsis for Owen Hatherley's book Uncommon where he says 'If we remember them at all. The Sheffield pop group Pulp are remembered for jolly class warfare ditty 'Common People'...'

Now to an extent I felt disappointed with the way in which I felt they were being remembered when I overheard a few girls saying "Oh we can go now they've played that" after 'Disco 2000' at Electric Picnic and after seeing them being referred to as 'Britpop darlings' in various newspaper articles during the reunion tour. I suppose I worried that people were only remembering 1995 and forgetting everything else about them. But then how many people really ever knew any more about them? They were huge for that period in time and then probably lost some fans and gained others. On the other hand, I think well maybe the reunion tour got people who missed them first time around into them or provided people who were too young to see them back then with the opportunity to do so. And it was great to see Russell back in the fold. I remember that gaping whole, that gutted feeling when I read in Smash Hits that he had left but they had displayed a pic of Steve Mackey so it was weeks before I got a definitive answer on whether it was Steve or Russell. And seeing Russell back there this year was like fixing the memory! It was like 'this is the way it was meant to be', the gap has been filled, the gutted feeling gone.

I think Pulp pulled the reunion off really well. The best I've ever seen and it's not just cos I love them and am biased. It's hard to pull those things off without appearing like a heritage act! They did it with such style, elegance & grace for e.g. being a bit self deprecating almost with asking "is this a collective mid-life crisis?" and so on. If they were to continue on doing a replica of this tour then yes I would fear that would run into danger of being like a heritage act but Pulp really kept it all low key, didn't publicise it much or do interviews through mainstream media but rather had their own Twitter page with great updates and I always loved the way Pulp made it seem like it was a 'just you & us' kind of feeling... In some ways I think would a Sheffield gig be a good thing to do to just close the whole thing and fix the memory. If they did something new would any of you be afraid it might not be as you wanted it to be... I don't know, it's a tough one but the reunion tour was a great thing because of the way Pulp did it.



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The gigs themselves have been fantastic, I hope they don't split again & I think it's very unlikely new material would be poor. Jarvis still brings the songs, even FC era has some real gems like FC itself & GLIT.

I would love them to write with Russell again. I think it would work better now than ever with the edginess of Jarvis' own more recent material.

Also, I noticed at the shows a huge number of much younger fans all beteeshirted & lyric-knowing! (:

I don't think it would be hard to make a new album that's better than WLL, after all Jarvis has done it three times already!

So no, it's not a bad idea!



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I guess the reunion isn't necesarily for people like me then? I was lucky enough to see them a few times when they were a 'going concern' and I find it a little hard to get too excited about hearing the DC material live again. I have to admit I cried at the end of their set at Auto when they went on hiatus, finding it impossible to believe that they would ever play again. I was sick after that event just bereft. I still want to think of them as a proper band that produces new stuff rather than just performing the old tunes however brilliantly they may do it (and they do perform them brilliantly). I was rather pleased when Jarvis didn't perform Pulp songs liv, it gave the feeling of separation and progression. Progression; that's something I'll always associate with Pulp and Jarvis. So if I had the choice between 'Golden Oldies' or new solo stuff I'd probably have to choose new solo stuff. Of course new Pulp material would be a dream. As for a final Sheffield concert, of course I would go. They could nick the Arctic Monkeys recent idea. They built a massive big top/tent affair in the Don Valley bowl. That would be a great space for a Sheffield Pulp show.

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Fingers crossed for the classic Peter Boom, Jarvis Cocker, Wayne Furniss, Beefy Garryo, David Hinkler, Simon Hinkler line up on the festival circuit next year.

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It wouldn't be a real Pulp reunion if Captain Sleep wasn't there!

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Pye wrote:

I would love to hear some new stuff, i guess we will have to wait and see. The thing with Pulp is that they always do the unexpected. I will be happy if they did a DVD of their summer shows with some rehearsal footage as well as some more home movies.


I agree with Pye, even if they never play again, I would be ecstatic with a DVD of the reunion show(s) with some rehearsal/home movie footage.

And I think the reunion has been perfect; brilliantly orchestrated (so far?).  As long as Russell is involved I would honestly be happy if they went on forever.  When he left back in 1997 I was devastated, and after the Brixton shows I fell into a little funk as well, but I'm incredibly grateful I was able to see them (or him, ahem biggrin.gif) a few times this summer.



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Fingers crossed for the classic Peter Boom, Jarvis Cocker, Wayne Furniss, Beefy Garryo, David Hinkler, Simon Hinkler line up on the festival circuit next year.


 

Wouldn't that be something...especially with 'It' being reissued in a couple of weeks.



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So if I had the choice between 'Golden Oldies' or new solo stuff I'd probably have to choose new solo stuff. 


 

Yes, exactly. And judging from his comments in Cheltenham I think that's what it's more likely to be.



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Those who are knocking the reunion, you didnt have to go to the gigs did you. Pulp reunited and I lept in joy with the fact that when I saw them in Manchester during the We Love Life tour, they were not good, they seemed bored and uninterested. Magna brought out the best of them. They reunited and kept on a par and actually bettered themselves. Pulp as they stand right now sound the best that they have ever done (including when Different Class got released). I want more material, I want them to keep going, but I just cant see it - if they gig in the Spring, ill be there for every night if they do more than one gig for sure.

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