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I never thought I would ask this, or even think it, but, given what Jarvis said in Cheltenham about Pulp becoming a 'Heritage Act', is the reunion actually a bad thing? If they're not writing or working on new material its a creatively bankrupt enterprise isn't it? I think I would rather have a new Jarvis album next year rather than a couple of 'things' in the spring from Pulp which don't actually lead anywhere. What do you guys think?



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I think you have a point. One of the reasons I love Pulp is that they constantly changed. Every album was a progression from the last, and what guts they had in producing something like This Is Hardcore as the follow up to their biggest mainstream success. Since they split, though, this urgent creative force seems to have dissipated. My hope for these shows would be that they'd get the nostalgia out of the way and focus on making something new, something with some relevance in 2011, but if that was never on the cards, then yes, it's hard to see it as being not creatively bankrupt.
I've been out of the country and continent and haven't been able to get to any of the shows, maybe I'd feel differently if I had been able to go. But maybe not.

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Pulp have never done a fast album. Which might be a good thin they haven't. But eels recorded Shootenanny! In a week and it's not a bad album. Some peoples favourite of their albums. And completely different to their other albums. It would certainly solve the problem that I think Eamon mentioned on another thread that they probably wouldn't want to spend that long in a studio together to make an album. Also making an EP would solve the problem. I love a good EP.

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It's an interesting point.

I reckon if they were thinking about it, they would have announced something by now.

As much as I'd LOVE some new material, if their hearts not really in it then I'd much rather they didn't spoil their legacy by producing a half-arsed album.



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I just can't see them recording an EP and you could hardly call Pulp prolific. Seven albums in 30+ years (I'm not counting Intro) and 3 solo from Jarvis in 10 years (I am including Relaxed Muscle). Just as a comparison, not always helpful but sometimes instructive, Brett Anderson since the Suede split (2003) has recorded 5 albums (I am including The Tears) as well as being involved in a pretty full on Suede reunion(since 2010). Although, tellingly, he has started backtracking from the idea of a new Suede album. So, in conclusion, it's not very likely. Whatever the situation!

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Na, I never thought they'd record something new, and in a way, as exciting as it would be, I'm sort of glad. I wouldn't want it to be poor. I thought We Love Life was a pretty good end to their recorded career really. Shame Russell isn't on it though. As long as they do end it next Spring I think they've done the whole reformation thing well. The gigs this year were brilliant, well received by most fans and the critics, they haven't overstayed their welcome, they haven't been all over the media either. Obviously if they continued after that I think interest would soon wane. Although part of me would love to be able to see them forever and ever...

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my only reply is this; out of anyone who's been to one of the reunion shows, do YOU think this was a bad thing?

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Its not bad at all. Pulp have got something out of it and me as a fan has, got something out of it.

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No. It was a dream come true. I'd never thought I would see them live. But now I have and it's a very dear memory to me.

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No. It was a dream come true. I'd never thought I would see them live. But now I have and it's a very dear memory to me.

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Certainly not a bad thing, but I am now hoping for some recorded material whereas I wasn't before.

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I would love to hear some new stuff, i guess we will have to wait and see. The thing with Pulp is that they always do the unexpected. I will be happy if they did a DVD of their summer shows with some rehearsal footage as well as some more home movies.

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As much as it pains me to say it, I think Jarvis is spot on about not wanting Pulp to become a heritage act. Better to go out as a bright star, than fade away into whimper when people eventually lose interest in the same thing over an over for evermore(ish). But better still would be to carry on and record some new material please.

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Does nobody want to see Pulp on tour with Status Quo?

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I would hate it if they become the 90s madness, filling up empty slots at festivals

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Yeah, the 'heritage act' thing...

Remember the synopsis for Owen Hatherley's book Uncommon where he says 'If we remember them at all. The Sheffield pop group Pulp are remembered for jolly class warfare ditty 'Common People'...'

Now to an extent I felt disappointed with the way in which I felt they were being remembered when I overheard a few girls saying "Oh we can go now they've played that" after 'Disco 2000' at Electric Picnic and after seeing them being referred to as 'Britpop darlings' in various newspaper articles during the reunion tour. I suppose I worried that people were only remembering 1995 and forgetting everything else about them. But then how many people really ever knew any more about them? They were huge for that period in time and then probably lost some fans and gained others. On the other hand, I think well maybe the reunion tour got people who missed them first time around into them or provided people who were too young to see them back then with the opportunity to do so. And it was great to see Russell back in the fold. I remember that gaping whole, that gutted feeling when I read in Smash Hits that he had left but they had displayed a pic of Steve Mackey so it was weeks before I got a definitive answer on whether it was Steve or Russell. And seeing Russell back there this year was like fixing the memory! It was like 'this is the way it was meant to be', the gap has been filled, the gutted feeling gone.

I think Pulp pulled the reunion off really well. The best I've ever seen and it's not just cos I love them and am biased. It's hard to pull those things off without appearing like a heritage act! They did it with such style, elegance & grace for e.g. being a bit self deprecating almost with asking "is this a collective mid-life crisis?" and so on. If they were to continue on doing a replica of this tour then yes I would fear that would run into danger of being like a heritage act but Pulp really kept it all low key, didn't publicise it much or do interviews through mainstream media but rather had their own Twitter page with great updates and I always loved the way Pulp made it seem like it was a 'just you & us' kind of feeling... In some ways I think would a Sheffield gig be a good thing to do to just close the whole thing and fix the memory. If they did something new would any of you be afraid it might not be as you wanted it to be... I don't know, it's a tough one but the reunion tour was a great thing because of the way Pulp did it.



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The gigs themselves have been fantastic, I hope they don't split again & I think it's very unlikely new material would be poor. Jarvis still brings the songs, even FC era has some real gems like FC itself & GLIT.

I would love them to write with Russell again. I think it would work better now than ever with the edginess of Jarvis' own more recent material.

Also, I noticed at the shows a huge number of much younger fans all beteeshirted & lyric-knowing! (:

I don't think it would be hard to make a new album that's better than WLL, after all Jarvis has done it three times already!

So no, it's not a bad idea!



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I guess the reunion isn't necesarily for people like me then? I was lucky enough to see them a few times when they were a 'going concern' and I find it a little hard to get too excited about hearing the DC material live again. I have to admit I cried at the end of their set at Auto when they went on hiatus, finding it impossible to believe that they would ever play again. I was sick after that event just bereft. I still want to think of them as a proper band that produces new stuff rather than just performing the old tunes however brilliantly they may do it (and they do perform them brilliantly). I was rather pleased when Jarvis didn't perform Pulp songs liv, it gave the feeling of separation and progression. Progression; that's something I'll always associate with Pulp and Jarvis. So if I had the choice between 'Golden Oldies' or new solo stuff I'd probably have to choose new solo stuff. Of course new Pulp material would be a dream. As for a final Sheffield concert, of course I would go. They could nick the Arctic Monkeys recent idea. They built a massive big top/tent affair in the Don Valley bowl. That would be a great space for a Sheffield Pulp show.

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Fingers crossed for the classic Peter Boom, Jarvis Cocker, Wayne Furniss, Beefy Garryo, David Hinkler, Simon Hinkler line up on the festival circuit next year.

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It wouldn't be a real Pulp reunion if Captain Sleep wasn't there!

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Pye wrote:

I would love to hear some new stuff, i guess we will have to wait and see. The thing with Pulp is that they always do the unexpected. I will be happy if they did a DVD of their summer shows with some rehearsal footage as well as some more home movies.

I agree with Pye, even if they never play again, I would be ecstatic with a DVD of the reunion show(s) with some rehearsal/home movie footage.

And I think the reunion has been perfect; brilliantly orchestrated (so far?).  As long as Russell is involved I would honestly be happy if they went on forever.  When he left back in 1997 I was devastated, and after the Brixton shows I fell into a little funk as well, but I'm incredibly grateful I was able to see them (or him, ahem biggrin.gif) a few times this summer.



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Fingers crossed for the classic Peter Boom, Jarvis Cocker, Wayne Furniss, Beefy Garryo, David Hinkler, Simon Hinkler line up on the festival circuit next year.

 

Wouldn't that be something...especially with 'It' being reissued in a couple of weeks.



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So if I had the choice between 'Golden Oldies' or new solo stuff I'd probably have to choose new solo stuff. 

 

Yes, exactly. And judging from his comments in Cheltenham I think that's what it's more likely to be.



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Those who are knocking the reunion, you didnt have to go to the gigs did you. Pulp reunited and I lept in joy with the fact that when I saw them in Manchester during the We Love Life tour, they were not good, they seemed bored and uninterested. Magna brought out the best of them. They reunited and kept on a par and actually bettered themselves. Pulp as they stand right now sound the best that they have ever done (including when Different Class got released). I want more material, I want them to keep going, but I just cant see it - if they gig in the Spring, ill be there for every night if they do more than one gig for sure.

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Dixie, we're not knocking the reunion it's just a question for discussion. I was interested to see how different members of this community viewed the recent happenings chez Pulp. You'll be hard pressed to find a bunch of people who love Pulp more than we do on here. Sometimes going back can be a good way of going forward but it can also lead to getting trapped in the past. They did sound amazing on the tour but is that enough?

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Dixie, we're not knocking the reunion it's just a question for discussion.

The subject seems to imply you are.

Personally, despite reservations when wireless was announced, I would say it is not a bad thing at all.  It was a very good thing.

I'd have been happier if they were releasing a new album and touring on the back of it rather than doing a typical reunion tour playing the hits, but having seen them at Hyde Park and Brixton, it was as good as I remember Pulp ever been.

If they appear in a field anywhere next summer doing the Different Class set, I doubt I'll be rushing for a ticket (but I'll probably go anyway), but if they do another gig along the lines of the Brixton, I'll be desperate for a ticket.

A new album in spring would do nicely.  If not , then some dates where they do albums in their entirety or some of the less played material from My Legendary Girlfriend onwards.

It must be a good thing, because I want more. 



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Eamonn wrote:
fredthe3rd wrote:

Fingers crossed for the classic Peter Boom, Jarvis Cocker, Wayne Furniss, Beefy Garryo, David Hinkler, Simon Hinkler line up on the festival circuit next year.

Wouldn't that be something...especially with 'It' being reissued in a couple of weeks.

You can count me out of that one.  Only interested in line ups including Steve Mackey and Nick Banks.



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I'd like to point out I was being obnoxiously glib as always. I don't really think the It line up should reform.

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Well, yeah. I don't think anyone would seriously expect it to happen.

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No it was great thing and I hope it continues. With a back catalogue like Pulp's there's no chance of them getting stale. They could continue by doing a tour to promote the Fire re-issues. I'm sure I'm not the only one who'd pay a lot of money to see those albums played live.



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The world is a better place with Pulp in it, no matter what. What separates them from "heritage acts" is they haven't fallen into phoning it in.

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From a completely selfish point of view I would happily see them play forever even if no new materiel came out. New songs would be better but I seriously doubt that will happen. Don't know how anyone can think the reunion was a bad thing (although if that's them done after spring (?) then I will get a bit depressed after having had a 'taster' this summer!)

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Most reunion tours last about 1-2 years, Pulp did less than four months. As far as I'm concerned, they have more then enough time and license to further explore and 'milk' the reunion. Why not? Hit some more countries (ahem, the States) and enjoy it. Bring joy to current fans as well as those who missed them the first time around. Yes, there does come a point where you have to move forward, I was pretty dissapointed with the Pixies playing the same songs year after year, as much as I love them, but I found nothing cynical, superficial or fiscally-driven about the reformation so far. So as far as new material is concerned, provided the original lineup is intact - I'm a purist, and feel that Jarvis himself wouldn't want to do it without Russell or Mark or something - I'd love for them to pursue it! Even if it failed, or paled in comparison with their prior works, isnt it immeasurably more admirable and rewarding to try rather than just give up? And I really doubt Pulp would ever release something phoned in or of really poor quality. If anything, having everyone back together and collaborating equally would result in something fantastic, even better than Jarvis' solo work.

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I think reunions fall into two categories then, ones that last too long and ones that don't last long enough! I would be happy if they left us wanting more. However, I would be amazed if they even considered touring to support the Fire reissues (but I would love to see Separations done live). The reunion shows were defintely geared towards a neutral audience at the festivals (Brixton excepted). Should they play shows just to please us? No,but how many times can they play the DC material without it becoming stale again and the neutral doesn't want to hear Anorexic Beauty. They had an incredibly small window in the spotlight of chart success if you think about it. It was Mark Study, in Truth & Beauty, who reflected that no one bought Hits because people who wanted the hits need only buy DC! We think of Pulp as having a huge back catalogue but that isn't the case to the general public so opportunities for setlists are now seriously limited. The problem will come with dates in other countries, eg America, where Russell won't travel. Could they produce new material and tour it if one of the key instrumentalists/writers isn't there?

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While true about their mass popularity being for a short period (mid '95 to mid '96 while they were ''active'', though it was still cool to like them probably up until Help The Aged) Hits, despite its' dire sales initially, has actually gone on to sell over 100,000 copies over the years (albeit being heavily discounted in HMV sales).

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In an all boy's school aged 12 (Pulp at the height of their popularity) when I publicly came out as a Pulp fan, I can safely say it was never very cool to be a Pulp fan.

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Should they play shows just to please us? No,but how many times can they play the DC material without it becoming stale again and the neutral doesn't want to hear Anorexic Beauty.

I think they should!  

I agree that doing the Different Class tour again would start to wear.  However,there is a whole spectrum of fans from Different Class to Anorexic Beauty and there is certainly a middle ground (even just considering His 'n' Hers and Hardcore) that someone with more neutral opinions of the group would find entertaining along with the hard core of fans.

There is definitely enough good material from Separations onwards (I don't believe anything prior to that will ever be aired) to vary the shows.  Every show probably has to have Common People, Disco 2000, Sorted, Babies and DYRTFT? but there is no reason why the other dozen or so songs in the set can't come from all the other albums and with a b-side or two chucked in for good measure.    With a set lists like that they would still sell out mid-size venues like Brixton and their regional equivalents.

 



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 when I publicly came out

Thats an original way of putting it!



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In an all boy's school aged 12 (Pulp at the height of their popularity) when I publicly came out as a Pulp fan, I can safely say it was never very cool to be a Pulp fan.

 Ah, you went to the wrong school. 

I had long left school when they started to break through in 1993, but in more mature circles they were a cool act to like back then.   Apart from Suede and Nirvana, there wasn't much else to get too excited about.

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It was a bit like that. If you were sporty you were into Oasis, Studenty you were into Blur, Pulp: Bit of a bender.

For about a year at school my nickname was Jarvis - which I hated. But my mate in a different set was Jarvis Fucker, so it could have been worse.

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Should they play shows just to please us? No,but how many times can they play the DC material without it becoming stale again and the neutral doesn't want to hear Anorexic Beauty.

I think they should!  

I agree that doing the Different Class tour again would start to wear.  However,there is a whole spectrum of fans from Different Class to Anorexic Beauty and there is certainly a middle ground (even just considering His 'n' Hers and Hardcore) that someone with more neutral opinions of the group would find entertaining along with the hard core of fans.

There is definitely enough good material from Separations onwards (I don't believe anything prior to that will ever be aired) to vary the shows.  Every show probably has to have Common People, Disco 2000, Sorted, Babies and DYRTFT? but there is no reason why the other dozen or so songs in the set can't come from all the other albums and with a b-side or two chucked in for good measure.    With a set lists like that they would still sell out mid-size venues like Brixton and their regional equivalents.

 

 I've been confused recently by the type of crowd that is often attracted to gigs. All too often lately I've attended shows where I'm not entirely sure why some of the audience is there! I have found it intensely annoying when 'fans' talk all the way through lesser known songs and only cheer when a big hit is played. I guess that's why I'm unsure as to the nature of the setlists for future gigs. Can you imagine a neutral crowd turning up for a show and hearing Separations plus Common People + Disco 2000? I worry it would fall between two stools and please no one.



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All the girls liked Pulp at my school. It was all good. Until i fell out with a girl and her and all of her friends wrote we hate Pulp on the backs of their hands.

On another note, i did graphic products at school and made a real life different class Jarvis cut out, same as the TFI Friday one. I made it to promote a reissue of disco 2000, back in 1999. It is still at the school in the technology block, 12 years later.

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I've been confused recently by the type of crowd that is often attracted to gigs. All too often lately I've attended shows where I'm not entirely sure why some of the audience is there! I have found it intensely annoying when 'fans' talk all the way through lesser known songs and only cheer when a big hit is played.

In recent years, I have been picky about the concerts I attend (probably do 4 at most in a year), so only really attend when I know the group's back catalogue quite thoroughly, but in the past, I'd happily go along to a gig because I'd heard a couple of songs on the radio by the act and quite liked them.

One of the good things about that approach was discovering band's full repertoire while having a night out.  In fact, seeing The Horrors at wireless led to me seeking out their albums.

At the Morrissey gig, I have to confess to chatting away through a fair amount of the set with my wife who was only there for the older stuff.  I really wasn't bothered about the old or new stuff.   Not sure we really disturbed anyone as everyone else was doing likewise.

I have noticed gigs aren't as loud these days, so it can be disturbing to those who want to listen.  Fortunately, I was at the front for the three gigs I have attended this year so I haven't noticed the chatting.



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It does seem to be a trend ArrGee. Along with holding your phone aloft. It seems to me that some people watch a gig through their phone as well. Been stuck behind or next to a few like that. Saw Pentangle recently and their were people around me who were talking! Made me quite angry.

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I've been to gigs where I couldn't see thru the crowd, but was able to see the stage via the upheld cameraphone of the person in front...

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I question the common attitude regarding pop/rock music, that something must be no more than a few years old to be relevant. We don't have this attitude to other classical or jazz music, or literature, or art.

Point being, Pulp created music for the ages, and they shouldn't stop playing it just because they haven't got new material.

(of course, i wouldn't mind new material if they feel they've got it in them. but new jarvis material would be good too, if that's what he wants to do)

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Point being, Pulp created music for the ages, and they shouldn't stop playing it just because they haven't got new material.

 

Yes, of course they did. They created lots of music but they actually only feel like playing a tiny percentage of it on stage. I worry how long before playing DYRTFT or Disco 2000 becomes stale.



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They created lots of music but they actually only feel like playing a tiny percentage of it on stage.

 This is true.  I think some album-by-album shows would be good (some of the recent shows could almost have served as Different Class shows).

If Pulp don't feel like playing again, I'd be happy if Jarvis decided to embrace his back catalogue in his own shows. I understand his desire to focus on new material, but it is slightly sad to see all those great songs consigned to the past.



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As long as Pulp are clear they're promoting the Fire albums they'll attract the right people to the gigs and won't have to worry about too many casual fans chatting through the set.

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I can't imagine them touring the fire albums.

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theonewhothrowsthelastbookonthefire wrote:
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They created lots of music but they actually only feel like playing a tiny percentage of it on stage.

 This is true.  I think some album-by-album shows would be good (some of the recent shows could almost have served as Different Class shows).

It isn't true.  On the recent tour they played 34 different songs, from Separations through to We Love Life.  Admittedly on the main headline dates they did play the Different Class show, but plenty of other songs got an airing.  I'd be surprised if any other band on a tour this year would have played so many different songs.

http://www.setlist.fm/stats/pulp-bd6bdda.html?year=2011

1 Something Changed   25
 
  This Is Hardcore   25
 
  Disco 2000   25
 
  Sunrise   25
 
  Sorted For E's & Wizz   25
 
  Common People   25
 
  Do You Remember the First Time?   25
 
  Babies   25
 
9 I Spy   21
 
10 Underwear   19
 
  Mis-Shapes   19
 
12 Bar Italia   18
 
13 F.E.E.L.I.N.G.C.A.L.L.E.D.L.O.V.E.   17
 
14 Pink Glove   12
 
15 Pencil Skirt   10
 
16 Razzmatazz   9
 
17 Monday Morning   6
 
18 Bad Cover Version   5
 
  Joyriders   5
 
20 Acrylic Afternoons   4
 
  Party Hard   4
 
  O.U. (Gone, Gone)   4
 
  Live Bed Show   4
 
24 The Fear   3
 
  Like a Friend   3
 
  Countdown   3
 
27 Lipgloss   2
 
  Mile End   2
 
  Wickerman   2
 
30 Sheffield: Sex City   1
 
  Have You Seen Her Lately?   1
 
  The Trees   1
 
  His 'n' Hers   1
 
  Help the Aged  1



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Well using the same website as you ArrGee, Suede on their 2011 reunion dates, which is their second year of reunion shows, played 52 different songs in 29 shows. I would also add that Suede have much less of an overall repertoire than Pulp having only been active from 92 - 03!

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Well using the same website as you ArrGee, Suede on their 2011 reunion dates, which is their second year of reunion shows, played 52 different songs in 29 shows. I would also add that Suede have much less of an overall repertoire than Pulp having only been active from 92 - 03!

Not a like for like comparison as Suede did six dates (3 in London + 3 in Dublin) where they played albums in their entirety.

Compared to most bands that were headlining festivals this summer, Pulp played a wider variety of songs.  

Pulp in their current guise, from Separations onwards, have only been actively releasing records for about the same period (1991-2002) and have about the same number of releases in that period.



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I wish Pulp would do entire album shows. I was actually amazed they only played O.U. 4 times the entire summer.

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That setlistfm list is missing a rendition of A Little Soul played in France.

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It's a bad thing for me personally as I didn't get to go to any of the gigs :(

Here's hoping they announce a UK tour for sometime in 2012, I think it's a bit strange how they only did festivals and haven't played Sheffield. Even Blur who had a very short reunion tour played Colchester...

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I think it's a bit strange how they only did festivals and haven't played Sheffield.

 I actually think that the reason they only played festivals was to reach as many people as they could. I also think they were quite nervous about the whole thing. If you're just one act out of dozens that are performing then it's alot easier than having to carry a nationwide tour on your own. I think this slight lack of confidence manifested itself in that DC heavy setlist. They need to believe in themselves a bit more.



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I wish Pulp would do entire album shows. I was actually amazed they only played O.U. 4 times the entire summer.

 Me too.  I missed the Hardcore tour; Finsbury Park coinciding with my honeymoon, and my wife just didn't understand. 

I have only heard a couple of songs of Separations and one of Freaks live down the years. 

Five nights at Brixton should probably do it

  1. Separations (maybe with some choice cuts pre-1990)
  2. Intro + His 'n' Hers
  3. Different Class (not that essential, I guess)
  4. Hardcore
  5. We Love Life

 



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I actually think that the reason they only played festivals was to reach as many people as they could. I also think they were quite nervous about the whole thing. If you're just one act out of dozens that are performing then it's alot easier than having to carry a nationwide tour on your own. I think this slight lack of confidence manifested itself in that DC heavy setlist. They need to believe in themselves a bit more.

I suspect there was a confidence issue regarding ticket sales.  Until you set up the gigs you can't be 100% sure anyone would turn up. 

Wireless was a surprising gig to announce first as it seemed to be the last thing I would have expected Pulp to headline.  The support also left something to be desired (The Horrors were a bonus for me), which effectively meant people were mainly attending for Pulp.   The ticket sales were good if not outstanding (apparently 10,000 shy of capacity, but with 40,000 or so in a field very respectable).

The buzz generated off Glastonbury (which was a bit different from the normal festival set) ensured Brixton sold, and had a UK tour of mid-size venues been announced off the back of Reading and Brixton, I believe it would have sold out as well.

 

But to go back on topic, I see Stone Roses are reforming.  One of their fans doesn't see it as a good thing.  Cheeky bugger, Pulp are more life changing than those one hit wonders ...

http://www.nme.com/news/the-stone-roses/59839

Meanwhile, some Stone Roses enthusiasts were less enthusiastic about a potential reunion in case it damaged the group's legacy. Mattie Bennet said: "NO. As much as I love The Stone Roses, this will be bad. Nostalgic bullshit. Leave that to Suede and Pulp. Not life changing bands. Their legacy will be destroyed."

 



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Ha, thats funny. I would never want to see The Stone Roses. It's true they probably changed a few lives, mine also in the early 90's, but they haven't had the longevity that both Pulp and Suede have had. Also, they just aren't as good! Although, you could argue that their breakthrough at the fag end of the 80's led to that bloom of early 90's indie artists that eventually led to Pulp receiving widespread public popularity. I ahve no interest in any reunion apart from the Pulp one.

Oh, and on the subject of the complete albums I would totally understand if they didn't want to do Separations and Intro stuff. They could stick a few of those songs onto the HnH show. They've been doing sround 20 songs this tour so plenty of room for scope and b-sides. I could also live without the DC show as well.



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^Well, Pulp's life changed after Stone Roses cancelled their headlining set.  

I've been wanting to ask this: What is a "heritage act" and why is it a bad thing? 



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...you could argue that their breakthrough at the fag end of the 80's led to that bloom of early 90's indie artists that eventually led to Pulp receiving widespread public popularity.

That is their legacy.  But even that is debatable. Happy Mondays were more to the forefront of the dance/rock indie music that encompassed numerous others including The Charlatans, Inspiral Carpets, and an embyronic Blur that led to the rise of indie.

Stone Roses to me are one great album and precious little else.  Also from what I have heard they weren't particularly good live.



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What is a "heritage act" and why is it a bad thing? 

Old bands playing their old hits to old fans purely for the money.

Like the Stones since the eighties.

Personally I see no issue with it.   



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I think it's a bit strange how they only did festivals and haven't played Sheffield.

 I actually think that the reason they only played festivals was to reach as many people as they could. I also think they were quite nervous about the whole thing. If you're just one act out of dozens that are performing then it's alot easier than having to carry a nationwide tour on your own. I think this slight lack of confidence manifested itself in that DC heavy setlist. They need to believe in themselves a bit more.

 I can see that but a festival ticket is very pricey in this day and age, even if you were just going for the day to see Pulp. I didn't go to Leeds because tickets were about 90 quid, not an amount that I have spare.

Seeing a band at their own gig is usually cheaper than a day ticket at a festival, so a UK tour would be more accessible for those who couldn't afford to see them at one of the UK fests they played this year (or travel all the way down to Brixton)

I just hope the curtain hasn't closed entirely on Pulp and they announce a UK Academy tour. All the videos I've seen and all the reports I've heard indicate that seeing Pulp this summer was a mindblowing experience for everyone who was there and I hope I've not missed my only chance to be a part of itcry



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I think going to a festival is de rigeur for 'da yoof' of today isn't it? It seems that irrespective of cost, or interest in the music, they all go to festivals. In my day we just went to the park and got drunk on cider! Ahh, Sheffield I do love thee. Have you seen them live before TheDev?

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I have yet to see them, although in honesty I've only been properly getting into them the past year or so and was too young to see them in their heyday. The best I can hope for is watching Glasto '95/Finsbury Park '98/Reading '11 on Youtube, three brilliant looking performances. :) Are you from Sheffield btw?

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I was hanging on for a Sheffield gig, I was certain that they'd announce something late in the summer. As it happened I was asked if I wanted Brixton tickets for my Birthday, so I thought why the hell not?

So glad I did now!

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Are you from Sheffield btw?

 Yes I am.



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I can see that but a festival ticket is very pricey in this day and age, even if you were just going for the day to see Pulp. I didn't go to Leeds because tickets were about 90 quid, not an amount that I have spare.

Seeing a band at their own gig is usually cheaper than a day ticket at a festival, so a UK tour would be more accessible for those who couldn't afford to see them at one of the UK fests they played this year (or travel all the way down to Brixton)

 

Wireless was around £55 including booking fees, but a couple of weeks ahead of the gig there were a few tickets on Seatwave/Viagogo for less than £45 including fees, which was just about acceptable, so I got one.

I agree that £90 is a lot to pay to see one band.  I thought £45 was a lot just to see Pulp, but then I thought I'd never see them again as I was going to Reading.  If Brixton had been announced ahead of Hyde Park, I'd not have gone, which I would have had a few pangs of regret about now.

I'm always amazed at people buying festival tickets without know who is playing.  If I was forking out £100/day, I'd want to know what I'm letting myself in for. 



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Stone Roses reunion confirmed. New songs too apparently.

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Just heard that news on Radcliffe & Maconie myself. Interesting that they should be pushing the new material already. Apparently they've been rehearsing for several months so maybe they've already worked some new material up. They're promising a world tour as well. I do find it interesting how different bands handle the reunion thang. This big press conference and huge promises makes the Pulp reunion seem rather understated and elegant, classy I think you'd call it rather than crass!

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Blur, Pulp, Suede and now the Stones Roses. What's next, the Beatles ?

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Blur, Pulp, Suede and now the Stones Roses. What's next, the Beatles ?

 Better...

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Blur, Pulp, Suede and now the Stones Roses. What's next, the Beatles ?

 

Maybe The Smiths...

http://www.nme.com/news/the-smiths/59660

 

 



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While Mike Joyce is still alive? Never.

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While Mike Joyce is still alive? Never.

 There's a recession, everyone is trying to make a quick buck.  I suspect Mozzer may even consider it now he hasn't got a record deal.



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He's due to tour the USA and Mexico soon and has been breaking every ticket sales record going over there! Also, he has his autobiography due for release next year after which he's hinted he might retire.

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So... IS the Pulp reunion a bad thing? Have we gotten to the bottom of this important debate yet?

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