The demos you mention have been shared in the past. You should be able to find them if you dig about a bit. Have you looked through the Yahoo accounts? They might be in there, though I've not checked recently.
-- Edited by Will on Wednesday 5th of October 2011 11:23:08 PM
I have them already, I was more curious as to whether anyone would want them uploading, but if they are already available, not much point.
I have a couple of tracks from the Fallout shelter in 92, The three FON demo sessions, Ping Pong Jerry, Sudan Gerri, the ones I already mentioned and a couple of random tracks (After You/My Mistake) some of which I did get from here.
I've grabbed a few live sets from here recently, so nice to give something back if I can :)
-- Edited by blueowl0708 on Wednesday 5th of October 2011 11:28:49 PM
I think it's time we tried to do something about a We Love Life deluxe edition. Pulp played enough We Love Life material at their own shows over the summer to suggest they still rate it.
Even if it's not forthcoming, despite the band being interested in a reissue as Sturdy mentioned a couple of months ago, maybe Universal would sell downloads of the many songs demoed and unreleased from 1999-2000. As it is, these recordings are gathering dust. If the record label are waiting for a future surge in new Pulp fans, well this year is as good as it's likely to get. And considering the reaction Pulp got at their festival appearances, that's pretty good.
Someone proposed the idea a while back that on Pulpwiki we could put up a blurb at the top of the page petitioning the label for a reissue/the unreleased songs, where people can add their name and then we link it to the Pulp facebook page to get the numbers up and give Universal something to think about. Should we give that a go? Will, it's your site, would you be ok with something like that?
The album is ten years old this month, it would be nice if it was marked over the next few months by it getting the same treatment as its' predecessors did. Even the Fire albums are being given a proper reissue in the next few weeks.
-- Edited by Eamonn on Thursday 6th of October 2011 02:44:53 AM
If anyone wants anything else, this is the full list:
D:\Pulp\Demos\Demo - Fallout Shelter, London (May 1992)\01 - Happy Endings.mp3 D:\Pulp\Demos\Demo - Fallout Shelter, London (May 1992)\02 - Watching Nicky.mp3 D:\Pulp\Demos\Demo - Fallout Shelter, London (May 1992)\03 - The Boss.mp3
D:\Pulp\Demos\Demo - FON Studio, Sheffield (December 1987)\01 - Death Comes to Town mix 1.mp3 D:\Pulp\Demos\Demo - FON Studio, Sheffield (December 1987)\02 - Death Comes to Town mix 2.mp3 D:\Pulp\Demos\Demo - FON Studio, Sheffield (December 1987)\03 - Death goes to the Disco.mp3
D:\Pulp\Demos\Demo - FON Studio, Sheffield (January 1992)\01 - Babies.mp3 D:\Pulp\Demos\Demo - FON Studio, Sheffield (January 1992)\02 - Space.mp3 D:\Pulp\Demos\Demo - FON Studio, Sheffield (January 1992)\03 - O.U.mp3 D:\Pulp\Demos\Demo - FON Studio, Sheffield (January 1992)\04 - Live On.mp3
D:\Pulp\Demos\Demo - FON Studio, Sheffield (July 1987)\01 - Don't You Want Me Anymore.mp3 D:\Pulp\Demos\Demo - FON Studio, Sheffield (July 1987)\02 - Rattlesnake.mp3
Oh Alphi, I couldn't agree with you more about the lossless situation. There is a very good chance that lossless versions were never posted originally and their lineage has always been mp3. People can't post stuff lossless unless it's out there and that's probably the person with the original casette of demos. I will eternally grateful to people like blueowl who are willing to share rather than horde. I'm still looking for a lossless 92 Black Session, anyone?
I did actually rip some of these from CD, but I'm pretty sure the CDs weren't lossless copies in the first place (unless the swooshy cymbal sounds around the 6 min mark in Wickerman are intentional!)
I do rip in high quality and to me these don't sound any different to the CD - Audiophiles will disagree, but that's another discussion .
I can do a flac rip of one track if anyone wants to check but I really don't feel that there's much point.
At the end of the day, I'm thankful that we can hear anything at all, so mp3 vs Flac is moot - I'll take what I can get :)
The quality (or lack of) some of the material is as much a consequence of the times that Pulp grew up in.
-- Edited by blueowl0708 on Thursday 6th of October 2011 11:55:17 AM
If they release a deluxe version will there be any songs we still haven't heard?
The best part of an album's worth.
A song called ''Darren'' from the session that's been uploaded on this thread http://www.pulpwiki.net/Pulp/October1999Demo, three songs from here http://www.pulpwiki.net/Pulp/WessexDemos (St Just/M'Lady/Performance Of A Lifetime + Got To Have Love with vox; the remaining ones have leaked) and God knows how many from here http://www.pulpwiki.net/Pulp/DepotDemos, though it's unclear whether they have vocals - it says they don't on that page but a version of ''My Mistake'' with Jarvis singing was posted to the forum a couple of years back so either the note about them being instrumentals is wrong or this particular track with vocals came from another, undocumented session.
Hawley has said before that they tried out a lot of unused songs during that time.
Definitely has the potential to be the most interesting and best value out of all the reissued albums.
I seem to remember that in the distant past that there was actually a promo pressing of the demos for WLL released. And just looking at the Acrylic aftrenoons site, I was right. And they are the same order as the pulpwiki page. Maybe a coincidence? But if anyone has a copy of the CD with all the the 9 tracks is slim. According to AA.COM, they were only a handful distributed to the Island hierarchy etc.
So they are out there somewhere!
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Eamonn wrote:Someone proposed the idea a while back that on Pulpwiki we could put up a blurb at the top of the page petitioning the label for a reissue/the unreleased songs, where people can add their name and then we link it to the Pulp facebook page to get the numbers up and give Universal something to think about. Should we give that a go?
Will, it's your site, would you be ok with something like that?
Yes, I think it's a good idea. We could put some blurb about it on the wiki front page above the News section with a link to a separate page for people to sign.
-- Edited by Will on Thursday 6th of October 2011 03:52:26 PM
Wow so we finally get the whole sessions, thanx soo much for this. Cant believe it took us 12 years to get it as it was (apparently) easily available. But now i can see why Quiet revolution wasn't recorded properly, it would have made a good b side at best, seems a bit messy and needed work. On the other Cuckoo is still amazing, cant understand why it wasnt on WLL.
On the other Cuckoo is still amazing, cant understand why it wasnt on WLL.
I think it might have something to do with the fact that it isn't strictly speaking a Pulp song is it? Wasn't Jarvis asked to rework some songs from Harry Smith's Anthology of American Folk Music and he reworked The Coo Coo Bird and Mississippi Bollweavil Blues as Cuckoo and Cockroach Conversation. I can put the originals of those tracks in the baritalia account if there's any interest?
Thanks so much for these Demos! Finally Cuckoo and The Quiet Revolution in listenable versions, and Wickerman and Sunrise more vibrant than on WLL. Thanks so much.
Island Fallout tracks (Happy Endings Demo being the interesting track here since The Boss & Watching Nicky were on the His n Hers Deluxe) were also requested via a PM, so I'll put them here in case anyone else wants.
On the other Cuckoo is still amazing, cant understand why it wasnt on WLL.
I think it might have something to do with the fact that it isn't strictly speaking a Pulp song is it? Wasn't Jarvis asked to rework some songs from Harry Smith's Anthology of American Folk Music and he reworked The Coo Coo Bird and Mississippi Bollweavil Blues as Cuckoo and Cockroach Conversation. I can put the originals of those tracks in the baritalia account if there's any interest?
I never got the ''reworking'' thing. They sound nothing alike. Lyrical inspiration maybe at best.
I don't seem to have a FON demo of Don't You Want Me Anymore (assuming it was on here earlier as nobody else is asking for it). Could you post that? Would be very grateful.
I never got the ''reworking'' thing. They sound nothing alike. Lyrical inspiration maybe at best.
I think that was actually the whole point though. That's the nature of folk music, it is actually an endlessly malleable form able to change and refelct the current concerns. I suspect jarvis did exactly what the organisers wanted. In the case of Cuckoo he definitely keeps the chorus melody line intact. As for Cockroach, well how do you transpose insect trouble blighting your life from Mississippi to London? Change the insect to a troublesome cockroach I suppose.
I don't seem to have a FON demo of Don't You Want Me Anymore (assuming it was on here earlier as nobody else is asking for it). Could you post that? Would be very grateful.
@Eamonn: This is all stuff I've collected from various sources (file-sharing/trades/ebay/twarling hte web etc) over the last 10 years or so.
The only stuff I've actively gotten from here were After You & My Mistake. Others may have originally been sourced here - I do not know.
Ok, posted to 2007. Does anyone have a recording of Cockroach Conversation? It was done at the 'Touch Of Glass' gigs and that's all I think.
Thanx for the upload. It's pretty different. I dont see much ressemblance and to me it cant justify why it was rejected. I mean on This is hardcore you get a pretty obvious sample from another song and it didnt stop them. Maybe they were unsatisfied with it.
Interesting to hear the minor lyrical changes "just stupid" became "just very stupid" in Yesterday and made it a much better line, Wickerman, "cars to cities is better than Leeds" and saying "elecrtic childs ride" sounds cumbersome.
I'm a fan of The Divine Comedy, one of their songs Our Mutual Friend has the line "and we sang a song that I can't sing anymore" but in the demo the line is "and we sang 'The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore' " (and he actually sings that line to the tune of the Frankie Valli song) - perhaps removed for legal or artistic reasons.
Anyway back on topic: do any Pulp demoes have such major differences to any of the lines?
I read on Pulpwiki that when he did Leftovers live he added the line "a teddy bear with an erection" - which is just plain creepy.
I'm a fan of The Divine Comedy, one of their songs Our Mutual Friend has the line "and we sang a song that I can't sing anymore" but in the demo the line is "and we sang 'The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore' " (and he actually sings that line to the tune of the Frankie Valli song) - perhaps removed for legal or artistic reasons.
It was removed due to the fact that it would have cost him a lot of money to put that line on the record.
I thought as much... although he then put it out as a b-side so how does that work?
I like the double meaning of "song I can't sing anymore" - can't sing it for legal/financial reasons but in the context of the song; can't sing it because it's tainted by unhappy memories.
I'm a fan of The Divine Comedy, one of their songs Our Mutual Friend has the line "and we sang a song that I can't sing anymore" but in the demo the line is "and we sang 'The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore' " (and he actually sings that line to the tune of the Frankie Valli song) - perhaps removed for legal or artistic reasons.
It was removed due to the fact that it would have cost him a lot of money to put that line on the record.
He has sung it with that line live, see his version of the song ''From The Basement'' on youtube.
I learned to play that song in the spring on a three octave casio keyboard.
Eamonn wrote:Someone proposed the idea a while back that on Pulpwiki we could put up a blurb at the top of the page petitioning the label for a reissue/the unreleased songs, where people can add their name and then we link it to the Pulp facebook page to get the numbers up and give Universal something to think about. Should we give that a go?
Will, it's your site, would you be ok with something like that?
Yes, I think it's a good idea. We could put some blurb about it on the wiki front page above the News section with a link to a separate page for people to sign.
-- Edited by Will on Thursday 6th of October 2011 03:52:26 PM
Cool. I'll try and write something for it over the weekend unless anyone else wants to have a go.
-- Edited by blueowl0708 on Thursday 6th of October 2011 11:29:33 PM
Thanks again Blueowl - unfortunately the link seems broken. I'll try again later in case it's a server thing. The Rattlesnake and Don't YWM Anymore demos were absolutely class in the meantime though!
-- Edited by superchob on Friday 7th of October 2011 10:12:00 PM
-- Edited by blueowl0708 on Thursday 6th of October 2011 11:29:33 PM
Thanks again Blueowl - unfortunately the link seems broken. I'll try again later in case it's a server thing. The Rattlesnake and Don't YWM Anymore demos were absolutely class in the meantime though!
-- Edited by superchob on Friday 7th of October 2011 10:12:00 PM
Hmm that was working when I uploaded. I will do it again if it's still down tomorrow morning.
Just finished reading the Trixy thread having read Dixie's comment; that was an education! I've got to admit I was reading her comments thinking "this is all a bit weird!", now I know why arguments never seem to kick off on this forum!
Does anyone out there have the Touch of Glass show from Scott Walkers Meltdown? I don't care if it is mp3, heck even wax cylinder would be fine! It seems like such an important stepping stone to and from these demos when I read about it and WLL in general.
hey don't blame me for digging up worms, dixie mentioned it first.
dixie999 wrote:
If people didnt fuck up the "Trixy" scenario - then we would have had more demos
I find it reassuring that it once kicked of on here, just as long as it doesn't happen again. Plus looking at the silver lining, if we got all of Pulp's rarities at once what would there be to look forward to?
I thought as much... although he then put it out as a b-side so how does that work?
I suppose leaving that as a bside is less expensive: He probably sold less than a thousand singles but much more LPs. then you got radio plays as well.
Aren't there two different versions of Coy Mistress? I have the version from the Company Classics tape but is the one from Beware the Bacon Slicer different? It's only short anyway and not entirely serious methinks.
Aren't there two different versions of Coy Mistress? I have the version from the Company Classics tape but is the one from Beware the Bacon Slicer different? It's only short anyway and not entirely serious methinks.
I'm slightly confuse: are we saying that a version of Got To Have Love with Jarvis' vocals HAS leaked? &/or Darren? & forgive me for being dumb, but what's AFAIK?
Aren't there two different versions of Coy Mistress? I have the version from the Company Classics tape but is the one from Beware the Bacon Slicer different? It's only short anyway and not entirely serious methinks.
There's only one version. It comes from the 'Bad Maureen Demo'.
hey don't blame me for digging up worms, dixie mentioned it first.
dixie999 wrote:
If people didnt fuck up the "Trixy" scenario - then we would have had more demos
I find it reassuring that it once kicked of on here, just as long as it doesn't happen again. Plus looking at the silver lining, if we got all of Pulp's rarities at once what would there be to look forward to?
Do you not think it's good to reflect? Reading through that thread... there was something suspicious about Trixy... Starting with her name! It's only human to ask questions. I don't think anyone should beat themselves up (or beat anyone else up) over what happened. That wasn't so bad was it?
Do you not think it's good to reflect? Reading through that thread... there was something suspicious about Trixy... Starting with her name! It's only human to ask questions. I don't think anyone should beat themselves up (or beat anyone else up) over what happened. That wasn't so bad was it?
Reading back, if suspicious why does it matter? she delivered the goods and provided two unheard demos.. there could have been more :(
I dont remember everything that happened in the trixy thread, pretty sure i was somehow in the middle of it though, but i pretty well remember one thing: she / he got angry pretty fast coz it wasnt so bad really.
Anyway, another big thanx to THE MAN here on this thread, who has shared unbelievable stuff for nothing, and that's pretty rare.
guessing she is not peter mansell's sister since she asks about him in her first (?) post http://baritalia.activeboard.com/t14167882/old-pulp-people/ . Supposedly called Trixy Sandhurst from Lincoln born in 1977 (feeling like a real Poirot over here)
Oh, the drama...why does it have to be a band member or someone we know of? More likely it was a Pulp loving friend/relative of one of the studio engineers or something equally obscure.
Yeah probably, anything's possible. I'm just happy we finally got to hear almost all of them. Cant wait for this christmas since it always seems to happen then (except now)
I'm so happy I found this forum. The yahoo accounts are great for rare tracks, and I keep checking back for more! Thanks so much to everyone who has uploaded stuff. It's a real treasure trove.
One question - does anyone have a complete version of Don't You Want Me Anymore from the 1987 FON demo? All versions I've heard cut off before the end.
-- Edited by sbazb on Thursday 20th of October 2011 06:21:17 PM
One question - does anyone have a complete version of Don't You Want Me Anymore from the 1987 FON demo? All versions I've heard cut off before the end.
I believe all the copies in circulation are from the same source - with the end cut off. I'd be surprised if anybody has the complete version, but still, hopefully it will turn up one day.
I wonder if there is even the faintest chance those 87 FON tracks could be included on the Fire reissue of Separations? Personally I consider them among the best material Pulp recorded and I certainly hope they are properly released one day.
I forgot all about writing something for the wiki to help get a petition started for a We Love Life reissue (or at least putting downloads of the unreleased songs on sale). I'll try and write something soon.